Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[QatariPrince]

KADDU SHARIF

 

[Farah Sohail]

^ Exactly!

Like today, when Attorney Gen was asked who wrote this anonymous letter, he had no answer, it is not signed off by anyone, and Maryam Aurangzeb is saying its from Spokesperson of Government, and Talal tried to deflect on Musaddiq Malik, and Musaddiq Malik deflected it on Maryam Aurangzeb - it was like a hot potato being passed to one and another. Another misfired missile that was heat seeking and since heat was in PMLN camp it came back and hit its camp - again

When did this happen? When was AG called?

@PakSword the vid you shared ..of Nadeem Malik's analysis on judges remarks and govt reaction..somehow is not playing.... What did he say?

Regd pakora judge... You are right.. Woh pehle bhi remarks detay thay bhtt..lekin verdict main thus hogaye.. I expect same from him, this time.. Baatein croron ki, dukaan pakoron ki..perfectly suits him...

Justice Khosa bhi ziada harsh remRks nahi detY thay..hearing main... Woh aisy remarks tu de detay thay ke PM ne kaha tha ke unki zimdagi khuli kitab hai, lekin lagta ahi ke uske kuch safhaat missing hain..... Ye koi aisi harsh remarks nahi thay... Ya agar govt ministers kuch ziada boltay thay tu hanstay hanstay govt ko bataa detay thay..hearing ke dauran ke hum sunn rahay hian..like he said regd Saad Rafiq ke ek wazeer sahab ne humein bhtt daanta ke humein safhaat nazar nahi aarahay... Lekin ziada strict nahi hotay thay..remarks main..usually polite hi rehtay thay.. Lekin verdict main tu hashar nashar kar diya sharif family ka.

I expect opposite from pakora judge... Jitnay strict remarks honge...uske opposite verdict hoga .. I expect same from him, this time

Waisy...is cheez main sab se zabardast Justice Gulzar thay.. He was the quitest amongst 5 judges during hearing... Infact bhtt arse tak tu Justice Gulzar ko note bhi nahi kiya tha...main ne..but verdict unhon ne bhi bhtt strict diya.. He was a true example of....judges apnay faislon se boltay hain.

CJ has called the AG in his chamber today (Friday) morning. Let us see what he says to AG.

Yeh kab hua? Ye news main ne tu nahi dekhi...... Abhi tu tv par aisa kuch nahi aaraha.... Does anyone know abt it? @PakSword

EDIT: acha ab woh Nadeem Malik wali vid dekh li... Hmm..interesting.. Pakora judge is close to PML N.. Yehi tu hum bhi suspect kartay thay... Tab hi tu sirf remarks detay thay.. Action kuch nahi

 

[PakSword]

@PakSword the vid you shared ..of Nadeem Malik's analysis on judges remarks and govt reaction..somehow is not playing.... What did he say?

He is telling that one of the PMLN Media cell members used to tell during Panama proceedings that Sh, Azmat Saeed is very close to him (friend or relative).

Also a niece of a very important Federal minister is engaged with a niece of Sh. Azmat Saeed.

So PMLN was happy about him being on the bench.

Abb tou mujhay lag raha hai ke he gave these remarks to make the whole matter controversial..

Iss stage pe, jab aap ko pata ho ke Shareefs ke aakhri aakhri din chal rahay hain, aisay remarks dena samajh nahi aata.. Baqi dono judges ne kafi achay aur napay tulay remarks diey hain..

Yeh kab hua? Ye news main ne tu nahi dekhi...... Abhi tu tv par aisa kuch nahi aaraha.... Does anyone know abt it? @PakSword

Kal raat ko hua hai suna tou aisa hi hai.. Main tou Taraweeh ke baad so gaya tha, that's why opened the laptop after Sahoor. tou yeh saari reports subah parhi hain isi forum pe..

Kal koi keh raha tha (I think Babar Awan), ke HUkumat ka bayan baghair signature hai... tou aik tou yehi determine nahi horaha ke woh sahib kaun hain..

Apparently, when the statement was being written, no one was ready to take responsibility of this letter.. So government had to issue it without any signature.. CJ wanted to ask AG, who is behind this statement (which spokesperson)..

Justice Khosa bhi ziada harsh remRks nahi detY thay..hearing main... Woh aisy remarks tu de detay thay ke PM ne kaha tha ke unki zimdagi khuli kitab hai, lekin lagta ahi ke uske kuch safhaat missing hain..... Ye koi aisi harsh remarks nahi thay... Ya agar govt ministers kuch ziada boltay thay tu hanstay hanstay govt ko bataa detay thay..hearing ke dauran ke hum sunn rahay hian..like he said regd Saad Rafiq ke ek wazeer sahab ne humein bhtt daanta ke humein safhaat nazar nahi aarahay... Lekin ziada strict nahi hotay thay..remarks main..usually polite hi rehtay thay.. Lekin verdict main tu hashar nashar kar diya sharif family ka.

I expect opposite from pakora judge... Jitnay strict remarks honge...uske opposite verdict hoga .. I expect same from him, this time

Waisy...is cheez main sab se zabardast Justice Gulzar thay.. He was the quitest amongst 5 judges during hearing... Infact bhtt arse tak tu Justice Gulzar ko note bhi nahi kiya tha...main ne..but verdict unhon ne bhi bhtt strict diya.. He was a true example of....judges apnay faislon se boltay hain.

This is what I am saying.. Azmat Saeed ke remarks ne koi faida nahi diya iss cause ko.. meri nazar main tou nuqsaan hi pohnchaya hai ulta.. abb baqion ko aisa nahi lagta tou hosakta hai main ghalti pe hun..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Kal raat ko hua hai suna tou aisa hi hai.. Main tou Taraweeh ke baad so gaya tha, that's why opened the laptop after Sahoor. tou yeh saari reports subah parhi hain isi forum pe..

Kal koi keh raha tha (I think Babar Awan), ke HUkumat ka bayan baghair signature hai... tou aik tou yehi determine nahi horaha ke woh sahib kaun hain..

Apparently, when the statement was being written, no one was ready to take responsibility of this letter.. So government had to issue it without any signature.. CJ wanted to ask AG, who is behind this statement (which spokesperson)..

CJ ne kab bulaya hai AG ko? Abi tu tv par aisi koi news nahi aarahi...

Regd pakora judge... Kuch bhi hosakta hai.. Unhein waisy zuroorat se ziada bolnay ka shauq bhi hai...

Aur yeh tu hum shuru se hi suspect karrahay thay ke pakora judge aur advocate snarifs ki side par hain.. This is no news...

 

[PakSword]

Yehi remarks poori karwai ke baad verdict main likh detey... tou koi kuchh nahi kehta..

Media cell kay kuttay active ho gaye
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Ya Shaikh,

Inn logon ko yahan invite karo naa!

 

[Farah Sohail]

This is what I am saying.. Azmat Saeed ke remarks ne koi faida nahi diya iss cause ko.. meri nazar main tou nuqsaan hi pohnchaya hai ulta.. abb baqion ko aisa nahi lagta tou hosakta hai main ghalti pe hun..

Kher... Aisa tu nahi hai ke remarks ne govt ko kli nuqsan nahi pohanchaya.. Nuqsan tu bhtt pohancha hai, govt ko..

Lekin mujhe pakora judge se wohi shikayat hai... Inki sirf baatein hoti hain..jab amal ka waqt aata hai tu thuss hojatay hain, bilkol..

 

[war&peace]

^ Exactly!

There is no Judicial Shaheed - SC's should not play to any lobby's audience and all over the world they give stern remarks, and actions. Nothing new or novel. It does not to be politically correct as well - it just needs to be correct, whether its popular or unpopular action/decision.

What benefit PMLN can get from stern remarks of any judge against Nawaz Sharif? ........ Insaafi Shahadat?!? There is no such thing - even BB could not extract anything when her dismissal was upheld by Court. More the damaging remarks against N $, more difficult it becomes for PMLN to gain lost ground that is why they are reacting. They know the type of damage these remarks are doing to them.

PMLN has very different power grabbing formula and it always involved entire troika with them. PMLN does not yield huge public mobilization power like PTI nowadays or PPP in ZA Bhuttos and BB's days.

The troika they use, is civil administration/bureaucracy, judiciary and military establishment. Army is playing on the back foot and somewhat neutral. PMLN today wants their support and not neutrality, they tried their best through Ch Nisar but it hasn't worked how they wanted. Gen Bajwa has categorically vowed to uphold constitution and carry out directives as prescribed as per constitution in a meeting with $harif this week.

Bureaucracy is still very much in the pocket of PMLN, especially Punjab. Second generation of bureaucrats are with them; one such example is of a close family friends of mine Khalid Sherdil was DC Islamabad during Dharna days Mujahid Sherdil has also always gotten critical postings like in Sialkot and Lahore and their dad was Late AZK Sherdil was Principal secretary to Nawaz Sharif, cultured and educated persons but absolute tilt towards Nawaz $harif. This is just to give example how bureaucracy is controlled and how it gets used during elections. If any such DCO and with similar type DPO is posted; even Zamanat of BB from Larkana can be forfeited.

Now we come to Judiciary, in present circumstances any action by Judiciary will be fully supported by mass public opinion as well as will have full military protection however bureaucracy will still behave in the same way as it does in favour of $harifs.

Like today, when Attorney Gen was asked who wrote this anonymous letter, he had no answer, it is not signed off by anyone, and Maryam Aurangzeb is saying its from Spokesperson of Government, and Talal tried to deflect on Musaddiq Malik, and Musaddiq Malik deflected it on Maryam Aurangzeb - it was like a hot potato being passed to one and another. Another misfired missile that was heat seeking and since heat was in PMLN camp it came back and hit its camp - again!

PMLN has always played with troika on their side, $harif cannot be comfortable if they feel any of the arm is not "reporting" to him. That unease always make him rash decisions and perhaps time has come for him to make yet another one!

PMLN had its galleries satisfied like in 1993 when he got reinstated by SCP this is how Reuters ended their story:

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, in dark vest, was returned to power yesterday by the Pakistan Supreme Court. Later, he prayed at the grave of Mohammed Zia ul-Haq, whose conservative legacy he inherited. (Reuters)


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Q1. Let's suppose for one second that $harif's get acquitted in the case, what will be your reaction and how do you see $harif's political career from that point forward?

Q2. If $harif's get disqualified and barred from active politics, then what scenarios do you foresee?

Thank you for the post especially for posting in English because a lot of people here post in Urdu (which is against the rules of the forum) and the use of weird, unfamiliar and non-standard words/spellings makes it even more difficult to understand.

Yes, there's a lot of credence to the speculation that the bureaucracy plays this ethnically biased game and a certain province controls the center. NS has an experience of more than thirty years of rigging the system and installing thoroughly corrupted (both morally and financially) at the key positions.

However, the issue we are dealing with is immaturity if some of our people who are going berserk over the remarks by the honorable justice and they start speaking exactly the same words as PM office. That is where we need to be vigilant and keep an eye on who has a slight change of opinion because black sheep and the trojan horse never expose themselves until the right time.

There is an old Urdu adage; translation: "A foolish friend can be more dangerous than a wise enemy". You will find certain people here on the forum and elsewhere make even the suggestions that the SC justice should take back his remarks as if calling some names to this godfather family is a cardinal sin for them and even an honourable justice is not allowed to utter those words.

So that's a proper hint for us - the people of Pakistan, these are the ones, we should keep an eye on. Such people are either immature kids with half grown brains or they are simply black sheep and ultimate trolls who try to dodge the gullible as friends only to deceive them when it is the most inopportune.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yehi remarks poori karwai ke baad verdict main likh detey... tou koi kuchh nahi kehta..

Shor tu govt ne Justice Khosa ke verdict main Godfather analogy par bhi bhtt machaya tha.. Unke against bhi reference le janay ka soch rahay thay shayad.. Mera us waqt bhi yehi khyal tha ke govt Justice Khosa ke against reference nahi le kar jayegi.. Aur end main hua yeh...ke review tak nahi kiya

 

[Zibago]

Yehi remarks poori karwai ke baad verdict main likh detey... tou koi kuchh nahi kehta..


Ya Shaikh,

Inn logon ko yahan invite karo naa!

express,samaa,ary par mil jayein gay aisey namoney ye 10-12 log hi hain jo har jagah comments kartey hain

 

[PakSword]

Thank you for the post especially for posting in English because a lot of people here post in Urdu (which is against the rules of the forum) and the use of weird, unfamiliar and non-standard words/spellings makes it even more difficult to understand.

OK.. So I didn't know about this rule.. BTW, I have seen even moderators writing in roman Urdu.

There is an old Urdu adage; translation: "A foolish friend can be more dangerous than a wise enemy".

However, the issue we are dealing with is immaturity if some of our people who are goring berserk over the remarks by the honorable justice and they start speaking exactly the same words as PM office. That is where we need to be vigilant and keep an eye on who tries has a slight change of opinion because black sheep and the trojan horse never expose themselves until the right time.

So that's a proper hint for us - the people of Pakistan, these are the ones, we should keep an eye on. Such people are either immature kids with half grown brains or they are simply black sheep and ultimate trolls who try to dodge the gullible as friends only to deceive them when it is the most inopportune.

**IF** the above three paras are directed towards me (as I am the one dissenting with rather popular standpoint on this particular issue).. I wasn't expecting these statements from you after you have probably read my more than 3000 posts on this thread. Again saying *IF* your comments are directed towards my posts..
It is a public forum, and everyone has the right to explain his/ her point of view. This POV could be right or wrong. It doesn't mean that someone is a Trojan or a foolish friend, or an enemy in the guise of a friend, I think that the Judges should not behave immaturely to appease people who act immaturely. This action could have been taken at a later stage, and the remarks could have been given in verdict.
Sometimes, an always offensive strategy proves to be detrimental to a bigger cause. Anyway, will not say more on this topic.. I reserve my point of view and don't care what others think. I could be proven wrong, or right. This is what I think at this particular moment.

 

[QatariPrince]

GEO ko Kaddu Sharif ki tension ho gai

حسن نوازکوجےآئی ٹی کےسامنے پیش ہوئےساڑھے3 گھنٹے گزرگئے

 

[Farah Sohail]

However, the issue we are dealing with is immaturity if some of our people who are going berserk over the remarks by the honorable justice and they start speaking exactly the same words as PM office. That is where we need to be vigilant and keep an eye on who has a slight change of opinion because black sheep and the trojan horse never expose themselves until the right time.

There is an old Urdu adage; translation: "A foolish friend can be more dangerous than a wise enemy". You will find certain people here on the forum and elsewhere make even the suggestions that the SC justice should take back his remarks as if calling some names to this godfather family is a cardinal sin for them and even an honourable justice is not allowed to utter those words.

So that's a proper hint for us - the people of Pakistan, these are the ones, we should keep an eye on. Such people are either immature kids with half grown brains or they are simply black sheep and ultimate trolls who try to dodge the gullible as friends only to deceive them when it is the most inopportune.

I dont think we should doubt intentions of members here.. Regular members of this thread have read each others' posts for long enough..to know who is on whose side?

Also... This is a discussion forum.. There will be divergent views..and that is its beauty..none can expect all to have the same point of view as him / her.. Not all can be expected to confirm to a single POV... Everyone has differnt personlities/ different thinking process..so even with the best of intentions, everyone will see a single situation from a different angle...and this is what discussion/debate is all about... If everyone has same POV, will there be any thing left to debate?

We know exactly by now..... who is on whose side? We can all argue, debate, stick to our own point..but to accuse someone of being a trojan horse just because someone has a different interpretation/ POV of a particular situation..is very wrong...and rude too...

This would have been understandable for newer members..we can suspect them...but those, whose posts we have been reading for a long time..its very unfair

I myself have been accused of being noonie, in the begining, then ppl sometimes think tht i spread negativity...but then only i know my intentions.. Infact i think almost all understand...tht even if i am negative..i dont have any hidden agenda.. Just because i sometimes see the situation from a different angle as others...doesnt make me, or anyone else..less patriotic.. I almost always stick to my point...but if i see myself being proven factually or logically incorrect..i would never be shy to apologise...

So, i think everyone should have the freedom to express himself/herself freely...none should expect others to always agree with others or atleast with majority opinion... One should always speak its own mind..rather than agree with others..just because that is only the acceptable thing...or because someother POV will be viewed negatvely or invite criticism... If tht happens tht everyone starts agreeing with others for fear of being accused/criticised......trust me..this forum will lose all its worth...

 

[Zibago]

Hamari dil azari hoyi hay

Tum beghairtoan ko bantain khelney key jurm mein bulaya tha kiya?

Aziz terms Hashmi’s video as ‘conspiracy’
June 2, 2017

By: Samaa Web Desk

Published in Pakistan

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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Muslim League - Nawaz (PML-N) leader Daniyal Aziz has said that the video clip of Nehal Hashmi is a part of conspiracy against the ruling party, Samaa reported.

He made the remarks while speaking to media on Friday.

The PML-N leader said that state institutions are being defamed since 2014. He added that a certain individual used shameful language against the institutions.

Aziz went on to say that a perception is being made that that N-League does not respect the state institutions.

He added that Hassan Nawaz appeared before the joint investigation team (JIT) after arriving in the country.
https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2017/06/aziz-terms-hashmis-video-as-conspiracy/

 

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[war&peace]

OK.. So I didn't know about this rule.. BTW, I have seen even moderators writing in roman Urdu.







**IF** the above three paras are directed towards me (as I am the one dissenting with rather popular standpoint on this particular issue).. I wasn't expecting these statements from you after you have probably read my more than 3000 posts on this thread. Again saying *IF* your comments are directed towards my posts..
It is a public forum, and everyone has the right to explain his/ her point of view. This POV could be right or wrong. It doesn't mean that someone is a Trojan or a foolish friend, or an enemy in the guise of a friend, I think that the Judges should not behave immaturely to appease people who act immaturely. This action could have been taken at a later stage, and the remarks could have been given in verdict.
Sometimes, an always offensive strategy proves to be detrimental to a bigger cause. Anyway, will not say more on this topic.. I reserve my point of view and don't care what others think. I could be proven wrong, or right. This is what I think at this particular moment.

Oh no!!! it was not directed towards you. There are some people who are PMLn's supporters but they are afraid of being open about their affiliations...sorry if you felt like that

I dont think we should doubt intentions of members here.. Regular members of this thread have read each others' posts for long enough..to know who is on whose side?

Also... This is a discussion forum.. There will be divergent views..and that is its beauty..none can expect all to have the same point of view as him / her.. Not all can be expected to confirm to a single POV... Everyone has differnt personlities/ different thinking process..so even with the best of intentions, everyone will see a single situation from a different angle...and this is what discussion/debate is all about... If everyone has same POV, will there be any thing left to debate?

We know exactly by now..... who is on whose side? We can all argue, debate, stick to our own point..but to accuse someone of being a trojan horse just because someone has a different interpretation/ POV of a particular situation..is very wrong...and rude too...

This would have been understandable for newer members..we can suspect them...but those, whose posts we have been reading for a long time..its very unfair

I myself have been accused of being noonie, in the begining, then ppl sometimes think tht i spread negativity...but then only i know my intentions.. Infact i think almost all understand...tht even if i am negative..i dont have any hidden agenda.. Just because i sometimes see the situation from a different angle as others...doesnt make me, or anyone else..less patriotic.. I almost always stick to my point...but if i see myself being proven factually or logically incorrect..i would never be shy to apologise...

So, i think everyone should have the freedom to express himself/herself freely...none should expect others to always agree with others or atleast with majority opinion... One should always speak its own mind..rather than agree with others..just because that is only the acceptable thing...or because someother POV will be viewed negatvely or invite criticism... If tht happens tht everyone starts agreeing with others for fear of being accused/criticised......trust me..this forum will lose all its worth...

I agree with you on some points but I have to go soon for jumma prayer so I can't answer detailed