Palestinians mourn death of a Bangladeshi war hero

[gom poa]

I wonder, what happened to BD posters in the PDF that they are criticizing Pakistanis for saying Saiful Azam belonged to Pakistan Air Force (PAF). Is it historically right or wrong? PAF recruited and trained him to become an Ace Pilot in those days. Naturally, the credit goes to PAF and Pakistan. It was that Pakistan of which Bangladesh was also a part.

So, why should people criticize Pakistani posters for telling the truth?

i cringe when these freeloaders be proud when some second generation bengali living in a foreign country earns a name for them.

if we can facilitate children living in slum here with access to proper system, some of them for sure would become well known scientist, mr/miss universe, athletes or whatever ....

but no..... we prefer being in a s***hole and be proud of some bengali grew up abroad, nurtured and taken good care of to let his/her talent flurish by the host country

 

[Bilal9]

Guys let's not sow hate between both countries on the occasion of a hero's death revered in both places.

He least of all - wanted to bring well-meaning people of both countries together. He let go of all past wrongs and attended meets with his ex class-mates at Sargodha, into the very late periods of his old age. He understood what the basic strategy of our country should be, and who our friends and enemies really were (treacherous elements in both countries notwithstanding).

Don't pick petty fights - see the big picture...

 

[Michael Corleone]

There is MM Alam road in Lahore as well. I am not from Lahore but someone can correct me, its one the major roads in Lahore.

Here the Air chief himself inquiring about his health during his last days. Man standing is the current PIA chief and one of the top guy in JF17 program.

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Indeed its quite strange why a man of such stature as Saiful Azam was ignored. Did he receive any medal from successive governments in Bangladesh?


You guys from that part of world certain have talent in flying that should be acknowledged though. Our new ace, the SU30 killer, Sq leader Hassan Siddique is of Bihar origin, just like MM Alam was.

Aviators from Bengal region were always great. The first ace was of Kolkata origin I believe in WW1. I forgot his name

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Buddy your people may have big hearts and I don’t disagree, it’s your govt that sucks and that’s why they managed to lose half it’s people and country

No we didnt lose anything Bangladesh become anothet muslim country we are happy for that cuz no one can survive who thousands of miles away from main land and have biggest enemy in between alaska can survive cuz their is canada imagin if it was russia in between..
Our gov knows how to survive in time of crises no one in world went thru what Pakistan went thru in last 20 years..but we stay firm and didnt send any terrorism anywhere in our neighbours imagin if india had to fave what we did..
So we are the people who are actual gov we might dont like some of the things but Pak gov is doing its best in all those years.

 

[bluesky]

It has been explained to death a billion times.

There is difference between of PAF of today and the PAF Azam served.

The "PAF" of 1947-1971 was a product of United Pakistan. Taxes, brains, blood and effort of both East and West went into creating Pakistan and its institutions.

It is utterly shortsighted and outright idiotic to say that East Pakistan/Bangladesh had zero role in Azam's achievements.

Is that clear enough or do we need to justify independence of Bangladesh as well and explain why the liberation war was not a "prestige project"?

Did not Azam served the Pakistan Airforce at the time of his engagement with enemy airforce pilots? What stupid independence you are talking about? It was in 1971 and Azam worked for PAF long before that. A historical incident must be thought over at the time of its happening. 1971 is a different context.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Some obsessed BD members want to hurt Pakistani sentiments by remembering 1971 again and again.

What they don't understand is that Pakistanis accept the right of BD to exist as a separate country and we believe it should have been done from inception.

No Pakistani cares about your point-scoring. We have more serious issues.

 

[bluesky]

i cringe when these freeloaders be proud when some second generation bengali living in a foreign country earns a name for them.

if we can facilitate children living in slum here with access to proper system, some of them for sure would become well known scientist, mr/miss universe, athletes or whatever ....

but no..... we prefer being in a s***hole and be proud of some bengali grew up abroad, nurtured and taken good care of to let his/her talent flurish by the host country

A poor country like BD needs good education for all people who then contribute to the economy of the country. A few number of engineers, doctors or scientists has little value in comparison. All our people have to progress almost equally although I would not say, engineers, scientists and doctors are not needed.

However, just to earn a name for himself or the country has little value comparing to the achievements by the entire population. In all developed countries, all their people contribute and this is why these countries are developed.

 

[Michael Corleone]

And you are dying to ignore that his achievements were with PAF.

Well truth be toLd he only shot down One jet when with PAF. His achievements were when he served in jordan airforce and Iraqi airforce.

 

[bluesky]

Well truth be toLd he only shot down One jet when with PAF. His achievements were when he served in jordan airforce and Iraqi airforce.

Yes, you are right. But, he was deputed/assigned in other air forces by his parent employee the PAF.

 

[Tom-tom]

Yes, you are right. But, he was deputed/assigned in other air forces by his parent employee the PAF.

To which east pak at one time if not equally or more, contributed to the development of paf both in logistical manpower and resources.

 

[Destranator]

Did not Azam served the Pakistan Airforce at the time of his engagement with enemy airforce pilots? What stupid independence you are talking about? It was in 1971 and Azam worked for PAF long before that. A historical incident must be thought over at the time of its happening. 1971 is a different context.

Arre bhai atokkon ki bollam?

You are fighting a non-existent premise. No Bangladeshi member is taking anything away from present day Pakistan.

Pre-1971 PAF was created by both the East and the West. Azam was sent to the ME by the AF of United Pakistan. His achievements belong to both countries. Our beef is with anyone claiming and that present day BD has no stakes in his achievements. Is it clear now?

I am not even going to push back against your "stupid independence" remark as I know it is a result of your poor temper and you do not mean it.

Some obsessed BD members want to hurt Pakistani sentiments by remembering 1971 again and again.

What they don't understand is that Pakistanis accept the right of BD to exist as a separate country and we believe it should have been done from inception.

No Pakistani cares about your point-scoring. We have more serious issues.

No BD members here are obsessed with 1971. This discussion would not be taking place if some stupid people from your country had not started dissing Bangladesh/East Pakistan's stake in Azam's achievements. And please don't give us this nonsense about "sentiments". We were at the receiving end of a genocide which we do NOT blame Pakistani people for.
If 1971 hurts you you should take lessons from it and take control of your generals and ISI. If your generals had any accountability Pakistan would not have broken and Afghanistan would not be such a mess.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Arre bhai atokkon ki bollam?

You are fighting a non-existent premise. No Bangladeshi member is taking anything away from present day Pakistan.

Pre-1971 PAF was created by both the East and the West. Azam was sent to the ME by the AF of United Pakistan. His achievements belong to both countries. Our beef is with anyone claiming and that present day BD has no stakes in his achievements. Is it clear now?

I am not even going to push back against your "stupid independence" remark as I know it is a result of your poor temper and you do not mean it.

Saiful Azam was a great man, why ?

x - Bengali by birth

x - Excellent pilot, who was lauded as a 'living eagle' by the US

x - He is a traitor, to some.

Now, because this man his been deemed a traitor, we should cherish him even more.

All of Bangla Maa's favourite sons are deemed traitors by a vested quarter, it's nothing but a compliment.

 

[Destranator]

Saiful Azam was a great man, why ?

x - Bengali by birth

x - Excellent pilot, who was lauded as a 'living eagle' by the US

x - He is a traitor, to some.

Now, because this man his been deemed a traitor, we should cherish him even more.

A son of our beloved Bangla Maa.

"Traitor" to present day Pakistan or not his achievements belong to both countries.

As Bangladeshis we have every right to cherish him as one of ours.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

"Traitor" to present day Pakistan or not his achievements belong to both countries.

As Bangladeshis we have every right to cherish him as one of ours.

The question of whether we have the right, doesn't even arise.

He was short, weak, dark skinned, buzdil, bangali and a traitor at that... He is one of our own.

I mean he checks all the boxes of the racist's handbook of 'What a Bangali looks like'.



This man was used, abused and then disposed off like refuse. He had respect for his fellow Pakistani pilots and commanding officers no doubt about that but he probably never forgot how the system deemed him a traitor.


But he was a bigger man than most of us, because he learned to live and let live and to forgive but not forget. He bore no ire towards the people who deemed him a traitor, for he was smart enough to see it from their perspective.

Like I said earlier, a Gem in this life and a Gem in the great beyond.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Even if you asked him today. He was fighting for Pakistan in Pakistan Air Force