Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Zarvan]

Because of time constraint, am unable to visit the range inperson otherwise its only an hour drive from islamabad......but as i have been informed, these are the only participants.....i dont see thrpe resons. They would share the pic of all weap8ns but miss the hk and mpt

When you are allowed to share pics on forum please share them

 

[RAMPAGE]

Because of time constraint, am unable to visit the range inperson otherwise its only an hour drive from islamabad......but as i have been informed, these are the only participants.....i dont see thrpe resons. They would share the pic of all weap8ns but miss the hk and mpt

So you're saying that it is probable that MPT-76 and HK-417 are not currently being tested?

Yaar I do hope that is FN-Scar H. Not just because we've heard good things about it but also because the Americans provide unmatched customer support and service.

 

[Hell hound]

So you're saying that it is probable that MPT-76 and HK-417 are not currently being tested?

Yaar I do hope that is FN-Scar H. Not just because we've heard good things about it but also because the Americans provide unmatched customer support and service.

its Belgian weapon not american they just make few adjustments to it to suit their need we can demand that too from FN. in end it will be FN that will provide tot and support for gun except american developed optics or accessories.these belong to america and are their's to sell.

 

[RAMPAGE]

its Belgian weapon not american they just make few adjustments to it to suit their need we can demand that too from FN. in end it will be FN that will provide tot and support for gun except american developed optics or accessories.these belong to america and are their's to sell.

Produced by FN's subsidiary based in US.

 

[Tipu7]

Just uploading some cool pics of all four rifles

AK 102-103

QBZ 03

SCAR-H

CZ 805 Bren A2

 

[Super Falcon]

Still no concrete evidance what options really been tested hope HK 416 picked because it is unmatched german tech eye closed u buy german tech no match in the world u found of german tech so bellieve what is historically best producer whom we are using G 3A3 and MP 5 what else i should say to satisfy all u and PAK ARMY

 

[Amaa'n]

Still no concrete evidance what options really been tested hope HK 416 picked because it is unmatched german tech eye closed u buy german tech no match in the world u found of german tech so bellieve what is historically best producer whom we are using G 3A3 and MP 5 what else i should say to satisfy all u and PAK ARMY

really, you still dont believe, what i have said?? HK is not on the current lot being tested.....the chances of it being tested currently is 5% and 95% that HK is out.....concrete evidence has been shared with admin......i force people to agree with me, i can just present what i know....whether people believe me or not, is a different story.....

So you're saying that it is probable that MPT-76 and HK-417 are not currently being tested?

Yaar I do hope that is FN-Scar H. Not just because we've heard good things about it but also because the Americans provide unmatched customer support and service.

no, what i have said is they are not being tested and i am certain they are not here yet.

When you are allowed to share pics on forum please share them

I receive pictures of pretty intresting things but i usually dont even mention them here on forum out of security concerns........

 

[Quwa]

For the record I hope PA selects the SCAR-H as well. Not only is it a relatively mature and trusted weapon (for a new rifle), but the modularity aspect is key. We can re-adapt the core SCAR for 5.56mm if need be, or as PDW, or even DMG. The single design can be scaled and adapted for practically each and every one of Pakistan's service arms.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

 

[Bratva]

really, you still dont believe, what i have said?? HK is not on the current lot being tested.....the chances of it being tested currently is 5% and 95% that HK is out.....concrete evidence has been shared with admin......i force people to agree with me, i can just present what i know....whether people believe me or not, is a different story.....

no, what i have said is they are not being tested and i am certain they are not here yet.


I receive pictures of pretty intresting things but i usually dont even mention them here on forum out of security concerns........

What are the chances nothing comes out of this trials because our debt is going to be matured soon and Many programs would be put on hold or deferred

 

[Amaa'n]

What are the chances nothing comes out of this trials because our debt is going to be matured soon and Many programs would be put on hold or deferred

This is what i have said to horus as well, scar may look good on the paper but still it is going to cost us all lot and budget put a constraint on our purchasing power --- but then dont forget, we are not going to replace our weapons overnight.....it is a very long process, taking years or perhaps decade to switch from one rifle to another......nust take for instance, there are still units with G3 wooden furniture, they did not even had the stock replaced with polymer and free floating......i see such weapons in pindi cannt and during my visit to AJK last year, and stayed in army mess at Keran.....the frontline troops were still using the wooden furniture ones.....we havnt been able to upgrade the existing seapon platform, forget about replacement......
But then this is a plus point, as it wont be effected by our current financial crisis......chief would not have given the order if it was not thought out

 

[alimobin memon]

latest ak series rifle if im not wrong 100 series latest variant has 0 recoil I saw its video cant remember on which post.

 

[RAMPAGE]

This is what i have said to horus as well, scar may look good on the paper but still it is going to cost us all lot and budget put a constraint on our purchasing power --- but then dont forget, we are not going to replace our weapons overnight.....it is a very long process, taking years or perhaps decade to switch from one rifle to another......nust take for instance, there are still units with G3 wooden furniture, they did not even had the stock replaced with polymer and free floating......i see such weapons in pindi cannt and during my visit to AJK last year, and stayed in army mess at Keran.....the frontline troops were still using the wooden furniture ones.....we havnt been able to upgrade the existing seapon platform, forget about replacement......
But then this is a plus point, as it wont be effected by our current financial crisis......chief would not have given the order if it was not thought out

Yaar any idea about Scar H's expected unit cost? The MSRP for the semi-automatic civilian variant is ridiculously high.

 

[Quwa]

This is what i have said to horus as well, scar may look good on the paper but still it is going to cost us all lot and budget put a constraint on our purchasing power --- but then dont forget, we are not going to replace our weapons overnight.....it is a very long process, taking years or perhaps decade to switch from one rifle to another......nust take for instance, there are still units with G3 wooden furniture, they did not even had the stock replaced with polymer and free floating......i see such weapons in pindi cannt and during my visit to AJK last year, and stayed in army mess at Keran.....the frontline troops were still using the wooden furniture ones.....we havnt been able to upgrade the existing seapon platform, forget about replacement......
But then this is a plus point, as it wont be effected by our current financial crisis......chief would not have given the order if it was not thought out

So there are two issues.

1. The cost of actually replacing all of the old rifles. I agree, this can and probably will take a long time. In fact, even armies with more resources than Pakistan are not rushing the process. The Turks, Czechs, etc, are buying new assault rifles in batches of 15,000 to 20,000 a year, which costs them an average of $30 million a year. This is doable, even for the Pakistan Army, which will likely scale production for several decades, at least.

2. The issue that Pakistan may face problems with is the up front cost of acquiring the IP and production facilities. This could be addressed by distributing the burden between each of the relevant service arms, e.g. Army, Frontier Corps, Rangers, LEAs, Navy, Air Force, etc. Every one of them can and will benefit from having this rifle locally produced.

 

[Basel]

Or perhaps Army wants SCAR-H but not L for some reason? - This is precisely what confused me though. Since the SCAR-H is the only modern carbine in 7.62mm competing against AK-103, we already know the winner. As for Bren-2, it continues to puzzle me unless Army is testing it directly against SCAR-L for performance's sake.

PA may be testing it to replace MP-5s and SSG also use M-4, so Bren-2 can be tested against that too.