Pakistan’s Economic Management Gets Thumbs Up From IMF

[El Sidd]

Article 6 for mad molvies keep crying while you can

You are most welcome to try.

I am sure many such articles exist which can be useful to other parties vying for power in Pakistan.

Still does not answer my question. How are you using social media platforms despite government restrictions?

 

[Cookie Monster]

U fool he returned 18 billion dollars of loan in just 1.5 years of his term.. He returned double what he borrowed from IMF...

Could members here(those with economics background) compile all this info together in a sticky thread? It's confusing when I read politically motivated articles about Pak economy. It would be useful to guage IK/PTI's progress(or lack thereof) based on an unbiased analysis of where the economy is heading.

I've seen @ziaulislam talk about economy more in detail(at a level that's beyond me). Plz tag other knowledgeable members as well. It would be a big help if a thread like that could be created.

 

[Zibago]

You are most welcome to try.

I am sure many such articles exist which can be useful to other parties vying for power in Pakistan.

Still does not answer my question. How are you using social media platforms despite government restrictions?

Those articles can be put to good use sooner than you think

 

[blueazure]

fact 1 . went to local grocery store to get yogurt . it was 115 . a month back , it was 100 /-

fact 2. just checked sugar price . it is 83 rs /


the 12 percent inflation is a lie . its actually far higher
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i will soon post real invoices with pics to satisfy the IMF fan boys here

 

[ziaulislam]

fact 1 . went to local grocery store to get yogurt . it was 115 . a month back , it was 100 /-

fact 2. just checked sugar price . it is 83 rs /


the 12 percent inflation is a lie . its actually far higher
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i will soon post real invoices with pics to satisfy the IMF fan boys here

You asked the govt to print notes and lower the inflation to an unsustainable level..what did you exepect in return ..didnt you know it was too good to be true..

While countries like taiwan and bangaldesh are working their *** of you..

pakistani want everything free..

sorry to break it to ya this isnt how the world works..
sooner or later results are obvious ..

So bangaldesh the super star of developing countries had higher inflation than pakistan in 2015-2017 the inflation here was like a developed country while fiscal deficit was like zimbabwe ..
Now look at this

This is what happens when u do manipulation ..you have ver good times and than VERY bad times..
And this is what happens when you have rangeela aka ishaq dar

Also who said food inflation was 12%
It isnot ..currently its running 30%..but that does
Change the fact why it happened ..it happened because of mismanage for last 30 years

Could members here(those with economics background) compile all this info together in a sticky thread? It's confusing when I read politically motivated articles about Pak economy. It would be useful to guage IK/PTI's progress(or lack thereof) based on an unbiased analysis of where the economy is heading.

I've seen @ziaulislam talk about economy more in detail(at a level that's beyond me). Plz tag other knowledgeable members as well. It would be a big help if a thread like that could be created.

I doubt it is the issue of lack of knowledge every one knows the truth and its denial ..

Why do u think the prophet close relatives and his own tribe refused to accept islam. ?

The issue isnt PTI performance ..PTI might end up doing the same..issue is people wish for free money...people want govt to provide
Everything without releazing govt can only get money from taxes..there is no such thing as free money

For those people who think sugar is exepensive ..well please dont use sugar
Pakistan has highest diabetes and obesity due to sugar ...
Those who say ghee is expensive ..well sir dont use it..ghee is going to kill you very fast

 

[Cookie Monster]

You asked the govt to print notes and lower the inflation to an unsustainable level..what did you exepect in return ..didnt you know it was too good to be true..

While countries like taiwan and bangaldesh are working their *** of you..

pakistani want everything free..

sorry to break it to ya this isnt how the world works..
sooner or later results are obvious ..

So bangaldesh the super star of developing countries had higher inflation than pakistan in 2015-2017 the inflation here was like a developed country while fiscal deficit was like zimbabwe ..
Now look at this

This is what happens when u do manipulation ..you have ver good times and than VERY bad times..
And this is what happens when you have rangeela aka ishaq dar

Also who said food inflation was 12%
It isnot ..currently its running 30%..but that does
Change the fact why it happened ..it happened because of mismanage for last 30 years


I doubt it is the issue of lack of knowledge every one knows the truth and its denial ..

Why do u think the prophet close relatives and his own tribe refused to accept islam. ?

The issue isnt PTI performance ..PTI might end up doing the same..issue is people wish for free money...people want govt to provide
Everything without releazing govt can only get money from taxes..there is no such thing as free money

For those people who think sugar is exepensive ..well please dont use sugar
Pakistan has highest diabetes and obesity due to sugar ...
Those who say ghee is expensive ..well sir dont use it..ghee is going to kill you very fast

U r misunderstanding...I'm saying that I'm a noob when it comes to economic stuff. There have been many politically motivated reports regarding Pak's economy...which confuse noobs like me even more...
...so I was just wondering if someone like u(or other members who have better knowledge of such things) could do a impartial analysis of sorts...about Pak's economy...in a sticky thread.

 

[ziaulislam]

U r misunderstanding...I'm saying that I'm a noob when it comes to economic stuff. There have been many politically motivated reports regarding Pak's economy...which confuse noobs like me even more...
...so I was just wondering if someone like u(or other members who have better knowledge of such things) could do a impartial analysis of sorts...about Pak's economy...in a sticky thread.

What i am sating even a 7 yrs child knows whats going on and who is responsible ...so whats the point of this discussion

The real doscussion should be whether PTI will repeat those mistakes or no

Most of the investors are betting yes..so u wont see any rating improvement or investment ..
It takes time to build trust..
The trust than bangaldesh built over last 15 years didnt came overnight

 

[Haris Ali2140]

What i am sating even a 7 yrs child knows whats going on and who is responsible ...so whats the point of this discussion

The real doscussion should be whether PTI will repeat those mistakes or no

Most of the investors are betting yes..so u wont see any rating improvement or investment ..
It takes time to build trust..
The trust than bangaldesh built over last 15 years didnt came overnight

People say that the CAD was due to development work which imcluded importing of heavy machinery. Whats your view???

 

[Nilgiri]

The trust than bangaldesh built over last 15 years didnt came overnight

Your constant fanboying over them with little knowledge on the matter is pretty cringey tbh.

There is a reason they have paltry 30 billion actual equity in their market cap.... and importantly why it has declined to that over the last couple years too.

Ever see how much of a hit their GDP stats take when you use constant dollars and/or PPP (i.e actual visible physicals and proper referencing)?

Forex stagnation over last couple years and RMG export (tariffed by developed countries at 0 or lower than anyone else) are declining now for a reason.

I really don't need to post what their labour productivity numbers are at ILO....or what their debt ramp mismatch (between hard GDP and inflated GDP used to leverage it) problem is now...and its broadening destructive effect on BD finance sector.

Then add their rank bottom corruption, ease of doing business and over reliance on just 1 sector (which they dont need to compete on level playing field for because of LDC favouritism) for export....the latter which is unable to apparently compete with countries like China that are tarriffed by the same countries far higher.

None of this they want to change because of severe nepotism, they are far below Pakistan on corruption perception for a reason.

They are certainly no model for Pakistan or anyone else to follow, and you will see for yourself this decade why.

Pakistan's problems lie far more with different set of mistakes it made...consecutively. That is long topic by itself.

 

[Bilal.]

Your constant fanboying over them with little knowledge on the matter is pretty cringey tbh.

There is a reason they have paltry 30 billion actual equity in their market cap.... and importantly why it has declined to that over the last couple years too.

Ever see how much of a hit their GDP stats take when you use constant dollars and/or PPP (i.e actual visible physicals and proper referencing)?

Forex stagnation over last couple years and RMG export (tariffed by developed countries at 0 or lower than anyone else) are declining now for a reason.

I really don't need to post what their labour productivity numbers are at ILO....or what their debt ramp mismatch (between hard GDP and inflated GDP used to leverage it) problem is now...and its broadening destructive effect on BD finance sector.

Then add their rank bottom corruption, ease of doing business and over reliance on just 1 sector (which they dont need to compete on level playing field for because of LDC favouritism) for export....the latter which is unable to apparently compete with countries like China that are tarriffed by the same countries far higher.

None of this they want to change because of severe nepotism, they are far below Pakistan on corruption perception for a reason.

They are certainly no model for Pakistan or anyone else to follow, and you will see for yourself this decade why.

Pakistan's problems lie far more with different set of mistakes it made...consecutively. That is long topic by itself.

Can you summarize a few points on your last para? And also please comment if the reforms of last couple of years are steps in the right direction in fixing the structural issues.

 

[ziaulislam]

People say that the CAD was due to development work which imcluded importing of heavy machinery. Whats your view???

Lol..humans live on mars..
Just open up he sbp.gov.pk website ..everything is itemized ..
Mostly it was food, small engnr, small appliances. Home items like milk & diapers and motor vechiles..
All of it happened because these were difficult to build home due to high taxes, lack of utilities and lack of equity

 

[Norwegian]

i will soon post real invoices with pics to satisfy the IMF fan boys here

Hey Patwari boy! Don't like IMF? Pay your own bills and don't run away to IMF more than 21 times for aid!

 

[blueazure]

pti social media trolls -

1 . they know their govt and their supreme leader has F*** up .

2. they know deep down the economy has been taken into an IMF induced economic shock


all they have to say is profanity , and the stupid lame argument = hey , you went to IMF, they didnt come to you

subhanallah , aur hum patwari hain

Hey Patwari boy! Don't like IMF? Pay your own bills and don't run away to IMF more than 21 times for aid!

hey norwegian PTI paid troll


come back to pakistan and go try paying your bills

For those people who think sugar is exepensive ..well please dont use sugar
Pakistan has highest diabetes and obesity due to sugar ...
Those who say ghee is expensive ..well sir dont use it..ghee is going to kill you very fast

post of the day


give this PTI troll a medal please ,,,

 

[ziaulislam]

pti social media trolls -

1 . they know their govt and their supreme leader has F*** up .

2. they know deep down the economy has been taken into an IMF induced economic shock


all they have to say is profanity , and the stupid lame argument = hey , you went to IMF, they didnt come to you

subhanallah , aur hum patwari hain




hey norwegian PTI paid troll


come back to pakistan and go try paying your bills




post of the day


give this PTI troll a medal please ,,,

Professional opinion of doctor...find a doctor who says otherwise ...ops..sorry u believe only in "tona" my bad

Hey Patwari boy! Don't like IMF? Pay your own bills and don't run away to IMF more than 21 times for aid!

6 times under or after nawaz shatif rangeela

Foreigner trolls are what keeping the country afloat..who do you think finances the 24b$ of your current deficit ...
Pakistan is one of few countries with such a high remittance to current deficit ratio

Facts are hard to swallow i know

 

[Cornered Tiger]

A) There is no change in fundamental economics of the state ever since Musharraf took over. Its same old capitalist exploitation.

B) Mr. Niaxi has proven only one thing to be correct. That is not keeping his spoken and written word. I am not wasting time listening to someone who is likely to change course twice an hour.

When you can't listen, you cannot tell anyone about something as well. So no reply from me now on.