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By: S M Hali | February 29, 2012 |



ISLAMABAD Pakistan Naval ( PN ) Chief Admiral Asif Sandila, in an interview to the US weekly, Defense News, responding to a question regarding the threat Pakistan faces from an Indian nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed ballistic submarine upsetting the current strategic balance in South Asia, stated that “The strategic dimension of India’s naval build-up is a cause of concern not only for us but for the entire Indian Ocean region.”
Indian Navy (IN), in effect, is on a massive upsurge plan to build a blue water armada. Its colossal development plans include the acquisition of both indigenous and leased nuclear powered submarines and various other platforms capable of launching nuclear weapons to complete its triad i.e. delivering nuclear weapons from the air, surface and sub-surface thus confirming its second strike capability. India’s initiation to nuclear subs came with its acquisition of a Chakra class nuclear submarine from former USSR in 1987 on 10 years lease. The invaluable experience led to its desire for the development of indigenous nuclear submarines under the head of Advanced Technology Vessels (ATV) at Shipping Centre Vishakhapatnam in 1998. Indian scientists claimed that they have been able to fit an indigenous Pressurized Water Reactor (PWR) of 90 MW in the ATV’s hull. However, it is assessed that the PWR has been acquired from Russia. By mid 96, an amount of US$ 185.7 million was spent on ATV project and the cost has now escalated to US$ 3.7 billion.
At present, India has 14 active submarines in the fleet whereas IN has contracted France for 6 Scorpene submarines. These subs are being constructed in Indian shipyard and are likely to be inducted in Indian fleet by 2018. The Defence Committee of India has also approved procurement of 6 more conventional Submarines in addition to the six already being built with the help of France. The PWR of India’s first indigenously developed ATV, INS/M Arihant went active last year, while its sea trials are completing soon and Arihant’s induction is expected by end 2012. Simultaneously, fabrication work on the three follow-on nuclear-powered submarines is in full swing whereas, the reactor for the 2nd S/M is being constructed with the help of Russia. The 2nd INS/M Aridhaman is expected to be ready for sea trials by 2015. The IN nuclear subs are to be armed initially with the 750 km Sagarika (K-15) Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBM) and at a later stage with the under-development 3,500 km K-4 SLBMs. INS/M Arihant has four silos to carry twelve 750 km range, Sagarika SLBM or four K-4s. Meanwhile, IN has acquired two Russian Akula-II class nuclear submarines on lease from Russia because it wants to have three SSBNs and six SSNs (Nuclear-powered Attack Submarines) in the long term. It is envisaged that by 2025 India will have around 30 conventional Submarines in her flotilla.
The induction of the nuclear submarines in the Indian Ocean will have serious implications for the region. It is going to elevate the international status of India amongst regional and extra regional nations/navies, while the existing security calculus in Arabian Sea vis-à-vis PN will significantly shift in the favour of IN. The threat to Chinese, Australian, Indonesian and other regional navies will increase multifold. Nuclear submarines provide the reach to attack the adversary in far flung waters across the globe as well as remain undetected under water at great depths for prolonged periods, without needing to come up to the surface for recharging its batteries or refueling. Operationally, they will act as a force multiplier armed with nuclear tipped missiles, their induction will further enhance IN’s capabilities to strike inside Pakistan while staying well away from Pakistani coast line.
IN’s other acquisitions include the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, renamed as INS Vikramaditya with 16 MiG-29K/KUBs and 6 to 8 Ka-31 AEW helicopters. India is also constructing 3 Indigenous Aircraft Carriers for the IN. It also plans to construct 3 destroyers of Kolkata class and Guided Missile Frigate’s, four ASW Corvettes, four 4 Saryu class Operational Patrol Vessels, four Landing Platform Docks, and acquire two Osprey Class Mine Hunters and eight P8-I Long Range Maritime Patrol Aircraft from USA, besides developing additional strategic naval bases.
In the face of such a massive build-up, PN has its task cut out. It cannot match IN ship to ship but the Pakistani Naval Chief in his interview stated “We are mindful of this development and taking necessary measures to restore the strategic balance.” The nation thus needs to invest prudently into building its navy.



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It is impossible for pakistan to maintain balance with Indias naval build up....
Only option left for them is to Give up...:wave:
 
It is impossible for pakistan to maintain balance with Indias naval build up....
Only option left for them is to Give up...:wave:

That's little too much mate. I agree that it is not possible to match bullet to bullet.. but there is no "Give up" fro any one for national security.
Again these kind of statement holds more political value then analytical value for speaker .. as it is for world consumption, and its kind of way they can tell world that we are getting dangerous for every one with in Indian ocean.
 
By: S M Hali | February 29, 2012 |



ISLAMABAD:Pakistan Naval (PN) Chief Admiral Asif Sandila, in an interview to the US weekly, Defense News, responding to a question regarding the threat Pakistan faces from an Indian nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed ballistic submarine upsetting the current strategic balance in South Asia, stated that “The strategic dimension of India’s naval build-up is a cause of concern not only for us but for the entire Indian Ocean region.”
Indian Navy (IN), in effect, is on a massive upsurge plan to build a blue water armada. Its colossal development plans include the acquisition of both indigenous and leased nuclear powered submarines and various other platforms capable of

Some chinese members have told us like 1000 times that IN chief has himself admitted that it cannot match PLA. Now if our effort are termed as colossal armada, PLA would be called what ? Galactic armada ? :cheesy:

submarine from former USSR in 1987 on 10 years lease. The invaluable experience led to its desire for the development of indigenous nuclear submarines under the head of Advanced Technology Vessels (ATV) at Shipping Centre Vishakhapatnam in 1998. Indian scientists claimed that they have been able to fit an indigenous Pressurized Water Reactor (PWR) of 90 MW in the ATV’s hull. However, it is assessed that the PWR has been acquired from Russia. By mid 96, an amount of US$ 185.7 million was spent on ATV project and the cost has now escalated to US$ 3.7 billion.

wow only for fitting an acquired PWR, we are spending 3.7Bn $$. Splendid assessment..

India has also approved procurement of 6 more conventional Submarines in addition to the six already being built with the help of France. The PWR of India’s first indigenously developed ATV, INS/M Arihant went active last year, while its sea trials are completing soon and Arihant’s induction is expected by end 2012. Simultaneously, fabrication work on the three follow-on nuclear-powered submarines is in full swing whereas, the reactor for the 2nd S/M is being constructed with the help of Russia. The 2nd INS/M Aridhaman is expected to be ready for sea trials by 2015.

By repeating a BS is he trying to say that it is alright for PLAN to help PN to acquire these tech. ?
;)


The induction of the nuclear submarines in the Indian Ocean will have serious implications for the region. It is going to elevate the international status of India amongst regional and extra regional nations/navies, while the existing security calculus in Arabian Sea vis-à-vis PN will significantly shift in the favour of IN. The threat to Chinese, Australian, Indonesian and other regional navies will increase multifold. Nuclear submarines provide the reach to attack the adversary in far flung waters across the globe as well as remain undetected under water at great depths for prolonged periods, without needing to come up to the surface for recharging its batteries or refueling. Operationally, they will act as a force multiplier armed with nuclear tipped missiles, their induction will further enhance IN’s capabilities to strike inside Pakistan while staying well away from Pakistani coast line.

Last i heard IN was practicing war games with singapore navy and australian navy :what:
 
We are mindful of this development and taking necessary measures to restore the strategic balance

So PN Chief says he wants to maintain strategic balance NOT conventional balance. I respect him for that professional and honest statement.


I suspect PN might aquire N submarines and SLBMs from China other than that there was no balance between IN and PN ever and IN is growing from strength to strength.
 
Bl[i]tZ;2646681 said:
So PN Chief says he wants to maintain strategic balance NOT conventional balance.


I suspect PN might aquire N submarines and SLBMs from China other than that there was no balance between IN and PN ever and IN is growing from strength to strength.
hi guys i am new to this forum...
Pakistan's economy needs to grow a lot more before it can afford or even dream of any nuke subs, as even maintaining one costs a lot of $$$
 
i would love to know how he is going to" restore the strategic balance"
as he said rightly they cant match us ship for ship so they must have a different plan . the one thing that comes to mind is probably 2 squadrons of fighter dedicated for naval strike roles.
 
i think you guys have seen the thread the paksitan is buying necular sub and if we can buy nuclar attack we can also buy capable to lunch IBMS but its going to take little time indian do buy sub we follow and sooooo it goes on even if we dont need one :D:pakistan:
 
Just give a rough calculation of the Possible Human, Property Loss that you can cause if you use all of your 200+ warheads with 100%success rate and perfect choice of cities etc.,

nice try....
same sort of people live on this side as well, but when indians are saying things against Pakistan they only think that there no innocent people on this side..

You will get what you try to give... maybe even b4 ..... thats called intelligence ..
 
Just give a rough calculation of the Possible Human, Property Loss that you can cause if you use all of your 200+ warheads with 100%success rate and perfect choice of cities etc.,

do you have any idea what could that do to you either you have no sense of this or are just chest thumping..... so please stop talking about nuclear wars just one to 2 are enough for any nation....

pakistan navy ofcourse cant match indian navy ship to ship we have to think of a strategy on defensive side for example destroters and most of all submarines are the best for our defence and if we can get jf17 on naval it will cover the air arm and with submarines we can boost ur navy big time our sea belt is small much compared too india,s so they need a very large navy to patrol and control the areas we are working on nuclear submarines hopefully five years later we can not only have a nuclear submarines but also submarines that can boost our defence with this we should also concentrate on making naval missiles and working on more accurate ten they already are with higher payload
 
For people who think china going to GIVE nuke sub, well listen..
China has signed NPT so it can lend nuke sub for certain period of time but cant use it. If they want to use it they have to make one which will be pain when US is watching you guys all the time;.

Sorry I will complete the rest of my statement after sometime... too tired
 
Keep one thing in mind beasts cannot survive in deep sea and oceans so you only :sniper: find them in rivers or near glaciers
 
lol what is the use of such thing when we have all of your cities under our nukes :)
you guys may think about second strike capabilities but these things looks good on papers , in reality no one needs second strike capabilities, people just need to strike when its due ...

:rofl: :rofl: I admire your insecurities :D

FYI, as per the cold strike doctrine, even if u take out your IRBMs, it will taken as an act of preparation of nuclear attack. We can pick the images from our spy satellites and in no time nuclear bombs will be raining over your country. Courtesy brahmos/Shaurya it won't take more than 3 minutes to take out any target in pakistan.


do you have any idea what could that do to you either you have no sense of this or are just chest thumping..... so please stop talking about nuclear wars just one to 2 are enough for any nation....

pakistan navy ofcourse cant match indian navy ship to ship we have to think of a strategy on defensive side for example destroters and most of all submarines are the best for our defence and if we can get jf17 on naval it will cover the air arm and with submarines we can boost ur navy big time our sea belt is small much compared too india,s so they need a very large navy to patrol and control the areas we are working on nuclear submarines hopefully five years later we can not only have a nuclear submarines but also submarines that can boost our defence with this we should also concentrate on making naval missiles and working on more accurate ten they already are with higher payload

I will give u a rational answer since u were actually trying to come up with some pragmatic answers

First of all, look at the thrust of JF17. (I wont mention it but u look for it your own source. ) It is just not enough to take off from short runways on carriers.

Also, it is next to impossible to come up with nuclear sub tech in 5 years. The most challenging part is to minitiarize nuclear reactors... we accept we had extensive help from russians. And we can also accept that on both sides we have some exceptional scientists equally... so, it will be like atleast 10-15 years for you ppl considering that India also had prev experience of building advanced fast breeder reactors as well.

Then comes the cost of building and maintaining them. Arihant costed us a whopping $3.7bn. Tbh, pak def budget simply doesnot have any scope of funding it.
 
lol alrii making a nuke sub is one thing operating it is another. even if pakistan makes nuke sub with china like always lets say in 10 yrs. then u guys need to make slbm and slcms to counter india. that has to be done in pakistan due to international issues. will take another 3-4 yrs only if pakistan is successfull. all this will happen in US presence in afghan..loll. and then sea trials with missiles will take another 2 yrs . anyways i can see pn having its 1st nuke sub by 15 yrs time.

remember india started nuke sub pregram in 1990ss ans fruits came in 2000ss. pakistan has suddenly gone too ambitious..
 
pak will have 1 to 2 SSBN i think
 
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