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Pakistan's Blunder Of Not Joining The Yemen War:---

Cpec and everything else are just excuses the reality is Pakistani generals are khasi

Totally agree with you when we had brave generals in command, our soldiers and military officials were participating in the middle eastern wars. Gen. Zia himself headed Jordanian troops during 1970 military operations there. Pakistan was not even a so-called nuclear power at that time and had a much weaker military at that time. Yet our soldiers were bravely fighting on the soil of jordan.
 
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Totally agree with you when we had brave generals in command, our soldiers and military officials were participating in the middle eastern wars. Gen. Zia himself headed Jordanian troops during 1970 military operations there. Pakistan was not even a so-called nuclear power at that time and had a much weaker military at that time. Yet our soldiers were bravely fighting on the soil of jordan.

Pakistani soldiers didn't fought in Jordan Pakistani army never participated in any foriegn conflict except UN missions
 
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Pakistani soldiers didn't fought in Jordan Pakistani army never participated in any foriegn conflict except UN missions

So is it a propaganda against Gen. Zia that he crushed rebellion in Jordan together with Jordanian army?
 
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This US Iran tension in the region is not Trump ........ its King

And you think we are in good state to oppose the kings?
No we are good with not meddling in this matter.

We are fighting with terrorism, poverty, traitors, economical disaster. In our neighbors people like Iranian, Afghans and Indian exist.

Do you even realize, the crucial time Pakistan is going through? We can NOT afford wars or problems with our friends.
 
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Dear @ARMalik Very good post . . I agree with you partially , But I hope you will also give a read what I have to say.
No our future does not ln Central Asia …. Simple... Ask me why.. Let me tell you why.. CPEC is game changer for China . For us CEPC need 10 to 20 years before it turn any game changer . right now CEPC is only a road and a port connected to it.... We don't have industrial infrastructure and my Dear China will not allow Pakistani products in central Asia over her products ..And I also don't see any Chines industry coming into Pakistan where Pakistanis are working and earing money and Pakistan earing from export.. And Most importantly Central Asian economies are not that good either ..
I agree on Euro Asia part....
For us GCC(middle east) will always going to stay very important . we can earn billion of $$$ from hallal food trade (you name the business) with them . Can we do that with Central Asia? ….
For Pakistan and Pakistani economy good trade relationship with GCC and EU are most important things for at least next 100 years . until unless we develop industries and services sector before that with or without the help of CEPC ..
I think a lot of you are over-complicating the intention of this thread. The intention of the thread has more to do with the fact that there was an opportunity created due to a conflict in Yemen and if Pakistan would have 'obliged' then it would have gained huge REGIONAL INFLUENCE in the Middle East. The 2nd point being mentioned is about Iran and so on.

1- Firstly, If Iran is the problem then Pakistan does not to need to go to Yemen to do take care of the problem. Iran is Pakistan's neighbor, and if Pakistan wants, it can take care of Iran literally within days. Forgot about all the propaganda and other nonsense about how great Iran is and other nonsense being spread. Just PAF can wipe out Iranian AF within 24 Hours. Try giving retarded excuses but this is the fact. Militarily Iran does not stand a chance against a Nuclear Power Pakistan who can literally annihilate Iran within hours. Iran knows this as well so please stop this nonsense of somehow Iran has a super duper military. Iran's specialty is the use of sectarian cards and proxy wars.

2- Secondly, although there was a chance of regional influence in Middle East, Pakistan deliberately didn't get involve in Yemen because Pakistan knows that its future is NOT in the Middle East but its future is in CENTRAL ASIA and EURASIA. You guys need to understand what CPEC really is because you are not understanding the basics of CPEC.
By taking on the CPEC project, Pakistan declared that its future is Central Asia.

3- Pakistan knows about the Risk Matrix of the region, and knows very well that sending troops to Yemen and to get involved in Middle East would have militarily STRETCHED it. In WW2, the Germans were a fantastic military, the best in Europe. But they made the fatal mistake of OVERSTRETCHING which resulted in the destruction of Germany.

As arm chair generals here, as internet trolls here, we are have ZERO exposure to intelligence and analytical information which the Pak Military has access to. They know what they are doing. And we DO NOT.

Do you even realize, the crucial time Pakistan is going through? We can NOT afford wars or problems with our friends.
Dear moon light , this the catch 22 ,, Iran said she is not involved in Yemen and keep in mind both parties fighting in Yemen are Sunnis .. But some how some one trying her best to present huthies as Shia and as soon as Pakistan start talking about Yemen someone start crying about sectarian war in Pakistan.
Dear young lady , Iran is not our friend , just look at what iran did after 27th of Feb this year and we are neutral from last 4+ years … What that neutrality bring to Pakistan??
Now just look at what Egypt got from all this ……………….
And let me tell you we are next target of Irans proxy war ….. let those 1000s of fighter come back to Pakistan.... Let Iran finish her current wars...….
And I will say this again ,, where and when any of said have a war with Iran ? and why going into yemen means going against Iran ? and what Iran is doing in Sunni country name yemen 1000s of miles away from her borders?
 
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@CHACHA"G" even if China allows what Pakistan can export to Central Asia Pakistan have got nothing to sell
Pakistan and central Asian satates have nothing in common not even Islam as they are muslims only by name
 
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Dear @ARMalik
For us GCC(middle east) will always going to stay very important . we can earn billion of $$$ from hallal food trade (you name the business) with them . Can we do that with Central Asia? ….
For Pakistan and Pakistani economy good trade relationship with GCC and EU are most important things for at least next 100 years . until unless we develop industries and services sector before that with or without the help of CEPC ..

The central asia is the most overhyped pos here in pakistani politics and narrative, they don't know that economically this area is pretty insignificant, also it is scarcely populated so not much demand for anything really. Middle east Gulf area on the other hand has an economy probably 10s of times bigger than central asian economies put together the economic demand there is also high because the buying power in Gulf area is very high due to high per capita GDP and income. But all we hear in pakistani media is overhyped central asia this central asia that without ever doing any deep research on the size of the economies of central asian countries and particularly their low buying power.
 
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@CHACHA"G" even if China allows what Pakistan can export to Central Asia Pakistan have got nothing to sell
Pakistan and central Asian satates have nothing in common not even Islam as they are muslims only by name
If we strictly stick to trade only , we don't have much to offer them , do we / they have Russia on one side and China on other …. lol what we will export to them ? Only earning we can have from them is some agriculture exports and "them" using Gwadar port "Fees"(that too China collect for first 40 years)……
Our trade and trade benefits are in GCC , Turkey and EU with some North American and African countries..

The central asia is the most overhyped pos here in pakistani politics and narrative, they don't know that economically this area is pretty insignificant, also it is scarcely populated so not much demand for anything really. Middle east Gulf area on the other hand has an economy probably 10s of times bigger than central asian economies put together the economic demand there is also high because the buying power in Gulf area is very high due to high per capita GDP and income. But all we hear in pakistani media is overhyped central asia this central asia that without ever doing any deep research on the size of the economies of central asian countries and particularly their low buying power.
Exactly that is my point.. We can earn Billions of $$$ from hallal food only from GCC leave all other sectors on side .. And then EU..... But people and Central Asia hype ..
 
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Hi,

Some say ' hindsight 20/20 '---other say---' you should have thought about the consequences before hand'---' you should have thought about who you are---what your assets are---what your friends and allies need---what concerns your enemy---what assets that you have that your enemy does not want you to have---& what could the enemy do to remove those assets '---.

I seriously think that is a statement that shows like something too much to ask---even to a pakistani military General officer in command---because most of their interest lies in housing schemes---property---commissions---war on terror & things on similar line & length---India---.

The there is the mantra of tactical nucs---. Well the problem with that mantra is that the super power does not like that mantra---. The religionist evangelicals in the regime want to de-fang pakistan---and the only people who did not know abut that was the pakistani military generals---who sitting secure in their offices believed their assets are secure---I mean to say the nucs---.

What america does in front of everyone's face is that it keeps its enemies farthest away from the mainland---and keeps troops at out posts distant from the mainland and tells everyone what the reason is---yet the pakistani generals never understood it---the current pakistani prime minister does not understand it either---.

Pakistanis in general have a belief---don't bother us---we will not bother you---what they tend to forget is that they have around 200 nucs that can destroy the world---so the baby that wants to make itself look innocent singing gaga maybe innocent in its own mind---but to the outside world---it looks like a death wish come true---.

So---the nation that does not know its own strength---does not understand what steps it needed to take to expand to protect its assets---has no understanding and concept of having military bases outside of pakistan at critical locations---having no concept of having those assets---is basically clueless of its environment---.

And that was very obvious when the Yemen crisis started---. That was the time for pakistan to have understood what was at stake---what was going to happen---what was coming in the short term near future and what the long term future game plan of the opponent was---and then it should have gone ahead and firmed firmed up its grip on the region as was being permitted by the super power---.

The super power USA gave the region of the gulf states on a platter to pakistan---and the fools rejected it---. The terms used were---we don't want a war---we will not participate in a war---we are not mercenaries---even though all the conquests of the muslim empire were mercenary armies---all the great muslim warriors were mercenaries---payment was in loot and plunder---'maal a ghanimat '---.

Why did pakistan not do what it should have done---was just to please iran---and what was iran to pakistan---a muslim brother---and what was pakistan to iran---a fcking inferior dark skin nuc capable country---.

Pakistani generals have sold the integrity of the pakistani nation and the future welfare of the country trying to side with a pariah nation---a nation whose sole and only purpose is to create havoc in the region---.

If pakistan had a 150 K battle group in the gulf states---backed by a seperate air force---armor--- navy & transporation---the US would not be sending in its naval battle group and there would not have been any talk of 100K american troops in the region or the B52's striking iran---.

There would not have been any pulwama type attacks---because the indian power would have been neutered or lessened by the presnce of pakistani troops in the region---thus no attacks by indian air force on the night of the 26th---.

General Raheel---sir---you truly failed pakistan---when it was time to make some hard & timely decisions to move the pakistani military influence from outside of its borders and into the gulf region---.

I write this post seeing what is happening in the gulf---what the US military is doing in the gulf in the last few weeks and what their plans are---. Mastankhan



Hi, I am sorry mate. But this makes little logical sense, because you are observing politics and strategic issues from what is visible instead of what is not visible.
The gulf states can never be anyone's. They are OWNED and RULED over by the Zionists, and for that you can try digging up some history of Saudis and the elimination of the Ottomans.

At the same time, by siding with the gulf states, we would have sided against China, Russia, and Turkey, which you seem to miss out on completely.
Good thing Pakistani decision makers don't follow tunnel vision logic and are well aware of both the regional politics as well as the greater game behind them.
Pakistan is already facing a multi prong and multi dimensional hybrid warfare, and both our economy nor the troop numbers allow us to go kill innocents to please some Sheikhs, the same Sheikhs whose loyalties lie in Supporting their masters in Zion to be able to stay in power.

At the same time, if you think the American CBG's are here to simply bomb Iran, then you are lacking on that as well, they are here to pave a way for the "Greater Israel", and you will see how that works out in days to come.

Moreover, the gulf states are committing cold blooded murder of innocents by bombing civilians, and its not secret. We might be corrupt, we might be run by thugz, but the last thing we want is to be involved with bombing innocents just to "temporarily" save our skin.

There is something called morality and honor, and some times that need to stand taller than economic and strategic gains. Wars are not won or lost by who has more money and more support, but who has approval and support from the heavens.

While you are busy studying what is apparent, and busy creating loooong threads over it. Wouldn't it be easier to study what The Creator lord has to say about things that are, that were, and that will be? And what does He say about the war in Yemen? And what does He mean when He says through The Prophet "Woe to the Arabs"? And what exactly does He mean by "Evil coming out of Najd"?

Any intellect that can not take you closer to your Creator, is a manipulated and subjugated intellect that has been taken for a ride by those who control the world by controlling your ability to think.


Hope the following are beneficial to you if you can try opening your mind and broadening your perspective, instead of always coming up with a very limited one which is always lacking on the broader spectrum of details.


 
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If we strictly stick to trade only , we don't have much to offer them , do we / they have Russia on one side and China on other …. lol what we will export to them ? Only earning we can have from them is some agriculture exports and "them" using Gwadar port "Fees"(that too China collect for first 40 years)……
Our trade and trade benefits are in GCC , Turkey and EU with some North American and African countries..
They don't have any need to use gawadar port also most of them are self sufficient in agricultural products all of these countries are scarcely populated so not big market either for anyone
 
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Exactly that is my point.. We can earn Billions of $$$ from hallal food only from GCC leave all other sectors on side .. And then EU..... But people and Central Asia hype ..

We can only pray that we get rid of this central asia hype from our state and media narrative, it is really depressing to listen to the people on the media and power corridors just parroting this gardaan of our economy will get boost from some imaginary "huge" trade with central asian countries when there is very little money there to earn. The big money is in GCC and EU countries and as you said developing packaged halal meat/food items for exports is a good sector to exploit because it doesn't involve much scientific technology or know how compared to hightech semiconductor industry for example.
 
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@MastanKhan

You really believe that it was a 'blunder' not to join the Saudi-led coalition forces in starving to death more than 85,000 innocent Yemeni children under 5 ?
These nationalists dont care about the death of 100s of thousands of innocent muslims all they care about is money even if it means murder of civilians. These people are no different than the Americans who invaded Iraq. House of Saud is an American/Israeli puppet why TF should we fight for them?
 
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These nationalists dont care about the death of 100s of thousands of innocent muslims all they care about is money even if it means murder of civilians. These people are no different than the Americans who invaded Iraq. House of Saud is an American/Israeli puppet why TF should we fight for them?
What about Iran and House of Persian Mullah ? What about them , what are they doing in Sunni Country name Yemen?? Why they funded Northern Alliance in Afghanistan ? Why and what reasons they are in Lebanon ? their list is also to long …….
 
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What about Iran and House of Persian Mullah ? What about them , what are they doing in Sunni Country name Yemen?? Why they funded Northern Alliance in Afghanistan ? Why and what reasons they are in Lebanon ? their list is also to long …….

Is this thread asking about going to war for Iran? No. We should stay neutral between both.
 
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