Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[Bossman]

sir whts the utility of m110 in modern times which we are holding on to

Tactical Nuclear Shell

 

[ali_raza]

Tactical Nuclear Shell

isn’t we operate nasr for that

 

[Blacklight]

isn’t we operate nasr for that

True, I personally am not of the opinion, that it fits into our nuclear doctrine any more. Maybe as a last line of defence.

 

[PanzerKiel]

sir whts the utility of m110 in modern times which we are holding on to

sir whts the utility of m110 in modern times which we are holding on to

It packs a big enough punch... Primary role being counter bombardment and neutralizing enemy gun positions along with interdiction and harassing fire.

 

[iLION12345_1]

sir whts the utility of m110 in modern times which we are holding on to

Hitting something with a 155mm projectile and hitting something with a 203mm projectile has some differences. It’s not the most modern system anymore but it doesn’t hurt to have a few of them for special purposes.

Tactical Nuclear Shell

we do not use those. It has a 18-23 kilometer range…30 with rocket projectiles.

 

[ali_raza]

Hitting something with a 155mm projectile and hitting something with a 203mm projectile has some differences. It’s not the most modern system anymore but it doesn’t hurt to have a few of them for special purposes.

we do not use those. It has a 18-23 kilometer range…30 with rocket projectiles.

after reading this comment i went into search
found a old clip about artillery regiments of pakistan army
some major was saying 203 mm direct hit on a tank can destroy even the best armor is it true?

 

[Bossman]

Hitting something with a 155mm projectile and hitting something with a 203mm projectile has some differences. It’s not the most modern system anymore but it doesn’t hurt to have a few of them for special purposes.

we do not use those. It has a 18-23 kilometer range…30 with rocket projectiles.

Not any more, but before NASR a nuclear shell was developed

 

[Raja Porus]

after reading this comment i went into search
found a old clip about artillery regiments of pakistan army
some major was saying 203 mm direct hit on a tank can destroy even the best armor is it true?

Of course.
Or atleast it will destroy its optics/tracks.
I've heard that if it hits near the tank, it can cause it to topple(though I doubt a modern one).

sir whts the utility of m110 in modern times which we are holding on to

When one sees it firing from close up, only then can he realize the destruction it causes. However its rate of fire and large crew is bit if an issue.

 

[iLION12345_1]

after reading this comment i went into search
found a old clip about artillery regiments of pakistan army
some major was saying 203 mm direct hit on a tank can destroy even the best armor is it true?

He’s correct, the speed and the mass of a 203mm projectile fired directly at a tank will tear stuff to pieces just due to the sheer explosive force (these are explosive HE projectiles, artillery guns like this don’t carry AP)
The optics, tracks, gun and other external systems won’t survive the blast. However an outward explosion like these (not a shaped charge) won’t break through the armor itself, it’s meant to do area damage and not penetrating damage.

Artillery crews are trained for direct-fire situations too, in case the enemy somehow breaks through the front lines and reaches the artillery guns before they can retreat, they will fire at the enemy tanks directly. Any 155-203MM gun in this case will do devastating damage in a direct hit.

 

[Raja Porus]

Artillery crews are trained for direct-fire situations too

Pakistani artillery especially and they are fond of it as well.

armor itself, it’s meant to do area damage and not penetrating damage.

Artillery shells especially of such a large caliber can achieve a mobility kill or can destroy the main gun (Firepower kill)
or can destroy optics (mission kill). Any one of these (or all of them together) will effectively reduce the tank to a box of metal and all these weaknesses can be exploited afterwards

 

[Ghost 125]

I've heard that if it hits near the tank, it can cause it to topple(though I doubt a modern one).

this is based on an actual incident, when a sherman was "bodily lifted" due to an 8 inch shell falling close to its tracks, during battle of zafarwal in 1965. tank belonged to 2 Lancer of indian army. its unlikely tht any tank other thn sherman (heavier and modern) will recieve the same treatment. but without a doubt a direct hit from 93 kg shell on any tank will knock it out of action.

 

[Raja Porus]

8 inch shell

Our artillery outclassed anything that India could present especially due to these guns. They felt hopeless against them and that's why artillery earned the greatest amount of respect both by friend and foe in 65.
The aggressiveness with which we used our artillery including mortars at the most critical times proved to be the deciding factor,often.

 

[Raja Porus]

but without a doubt a direct hit from 93 kg shell on any tank will knock it out of action

However it will decimate the bmp2s which AFAIK are lighter than Shermans.

 

[ali_raza]

However it will decimate the bmp2s which AFAIK are lighter than Shermans.

pure aggression

 

[Hassan Guy]