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ISLAMABAD: A 60-year-old university administrator in the southern port city of Karachi is wistful as he recalls the more tolerant, freewheeling Pakistan of his youth.

Once, when a teacher suggested no book can be perfect, the boy asked if that included Islam’s holy book, the Quran.
That sparked a candid class discussion about religion. But in today’s Pakistan, Muqtida Mansoor said he would never dare to ask the question in public. After all, ”anyone could shoot you.”

Days after the assassination of Punjab Gov. Salman Taseer, one of the few politicians openly challenging the onslaught of religious extremism, Pakistani moderates are facing a new and troubling reality: Pakistan is a country where fundamentalism is becoming mainstream, leaving even less room for dissent, difference and many once-prevalent leisures such as public music, dance parties or other social contact between the sexes.

More liberal-minded Pakistanis have been left with a profound sense of loss, alienation and fear for the future. One rights activist forecast that at the rate Islamist groups are rising, a religious party could be ruling the country in 10 to 15 years.

The transformation is particularly disheartening for many younger Pakistanis.

”There is no concept of freedom of speech in this country,” said Aaisha Aslam, who works for a non-governmental organization. People with fanatic mindsets are ”out to snatch this country from us.”

The poles have shifted so much that it was not just bearded students from religious seminaries who this week praised the suspected killer of a politician who opposed blasphemy laws. Some religious scholars who oppose the Taliban also joined in and lawyers showered him with rose petals.

”The silent majority does not want to take out a gun and shoot anyone, but at the same time they’re not appalled by it when somebody else does,” complained Fasi Zaka, a radio host. ”The majority are enablers.”

Well before Tuesday’s killing of Taseer, Pakistan’s liberals had grown increasingly cautious about speaking out for minority protections, women’s rights and other causes.

Activists who once publicly advocated repealing the blasphemy laws, which mandate death for those deemed to have insulted Islam or the Quran, are now willing to settle for mere amendments.

”We are vulnerable,” said Asma Jahangir, a small, hard-charging woman who is perhaps Pakistan’s best-known human rights activist. ”My name has come up, and of course you have to watch as you move around, how you move around.”

Some Pakistanis are frustrated with what they perceive as a lack of Western support for their causes. They complain of receiving little more than lip service from the US, which is dependent on Pakistan’s aid to turn around the war in neighboring Afghanistan and eliminate Taliban and al-Qaida hideouts on its soil.

”We don’t matter for anybody,” said Marvi Sirmed, a 38-year-old activist.

Islamic parties in Pakistan have flourished in part because governments have failed to provide for people’s needs, such as in education and health care. Islamic parties fill the gap through their welfare organizations, clinics, mosques, religious seminaries and other networks. The impoverished masses then support their philosophies and political activities.

It doesn’t help that those in Pakistan’s small, liberal, secular wing tend to be wealthier and more educated than most Pakistanis, a cultural divide that is hard to bridge, said Burzine Waghmar, who teaches about Pakistan at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London.

And so many liberals are increasingly nostalgic for the past, before the 1980s rule of army Gen. Zia ul-Haq. Zia, a fundamentalist Muslim, infused Islam into everything from school textbooks to the legal code including pushing through harsh blasphemy laws and statutes that treated rape victims as adulterers.

Javed Ali remembers how bars and cinemas once flourished in Pakistan, and dance parties were advertised in newspapers admission price, 1 rupee. While visiting Karachi, Ali would go to The Moonlight Club, where dancers would entertain middle and lower middle class visitors.

”Now, that’s a dream,” says Ali, who lives in the city of Multan in central Pakistan. Mansoor remembers a more live and let-live society.

”I was a handsome man and had good taste as well,” he said. ”I had many girlfriends and I would liberally take them to my home and nobody would mind. I would take my girlfriend to the beach and no police would harass us. But later on, the police would ask for marriage papers even if you were with your wife.”

Photographer Nazir Khan, 50, of Karachi, recalls how relations between majority Sunni and minority Shia Muslims were far more cordial.

”I used to offer my Friday prayers in any mosque without consideration to which sect it belonged,” Khan said.
The Islamization has accelerated since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

Pakistanis mourn a once tolerant, relaxed nation | Pakistan | DAWN.COM
 
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Poor Pakistani children have been educated in religious madrassas, which increase their influence. To negate, or at least lessen, their influence, schools are needed for the poor, schools which don't influence children in such ways. And the government has failed repeatedly in this regard. Many schools have been established, but so many have no teachers, what future could there be for children in such a state of matters?
 
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Normally as people advance in time they become more moderate but it's the opposite in Pakistan.
 
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Nice article. The Pakistan of the 50's and 60's was way more advanced and tolerant than the Pakistan of today. It's sad to see that Pakistan is heading more backwards while the world moves forward!
 
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Poor Pakistani children have been educated in religious madrassas, which increase their influence. To negate, or at least lessen, their influence, schools are needed for the poor, schools which don't influence children in such ways. And the government has failed repeatedly in this regard. Many schools have been established, but so many have no teachers, what future could there be for children in such a state of matters?

There you go. Now you know the root cause which is poverty. Why not fight poverty then half of your problems are solved.

Why give more money to the rich and make the poor poorer? Why worship corrupt politicians living in mansions and villas while the ordinary Pakistani doesnt have gas to cook a warm meal in their homes in this cold winter?
 
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my question to these people who are terming pakistan and pakistanis an intolerant nation is that

how will a nation remain tolerant when it will constantly being bombarded by drones daily

if thousands of pakistanis will be killled every time

news of missile strikes will shock them each day after a bad sleep

inflation with knock the doors every day

people like zardaris will be running the affairs of state, and corrupts will live in rich manner while people do suicide from poverty??

while CIA covertly operates in pakistan, blasts keep happening each day

then people in govt will start playing with pakistani sentiments by speaking foolishing just like taseer

people like taseer and dozens of other taseers will eat up fund money for earth quate and flood disasters which is donated by common pakistani??


its just the other side of the coin.. just a common sense
 
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my question to these people are are terming pakistan and pakistanis an intolerant nation is that

how will a nation remain tolerant when it will constantly be bombarded by drones daily

if thousands of pakistanis will be killled every time

news of missile strikes will shock them each day after a bad sleep

inflation with knock the doors every day

people like zardaris will be running the affairs of state, and corrupts will live in rich manner while people do suicide from poverty??

while CIA covertly operates in pakistan, blasts keep happening each day

then people in govt will start playing with pakistani sentiments by speaking foolishing just like taseer

people like taseer and dozens of other taseers will eat up fund money for earth quate and flood disasters??


its just the other side of the coin..

Thanks brother for this very informative post. All Pakistanis should read this.
 
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Thanks brother for this very informative post. All Pakistanis should read this.

So Taseer stole funds for the earthquake relief as well? The 2005 earthquake while Taseer was no where in sight of any funds? He was inducted into a caretaker govt. by Musharraf in 2007.

You are in my crosshair now. You liar! You lied that '90% of Pakistanis support the Blasphemy Law'. You posted pictures of Taseer's 'half naked' daughters repeatedly. You repeatedly claimed that Taseer was 'corrupt' without any proof. You keep discounting that Taseer was a self-made man, who worked for his education in the UK and then he started businesses which employed thousands of Pakistanis. Of course it is not use mentioning to a Jihadi like you that Taseer stood for an innocent Christian man: To you they are not even human.

You will continue to be exposed. I promise you that. You accuse ME of being talking about Taseer while you and your ilk are the one who continue to spread lies about one genuine Pakistani political hero in a long time.
 
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my question to these people who are terming pakistan and pakistanis an intolerant nation is that

how will a nation remain tolerant when it will constantly being bombarded by drones daily

if thousands of pakistanis will be killled every time

news of missile strikes will shock them each day after a bad sleep

inflation with knock the doors every day

people like zardaris will be running the affairs of state, and corrupts will live in rich manner while people do suicide from poverty??

while CIA covertly operates in pakistan, blasts keep happening each day

then people in govt will start playing with pakistani sentiments by speaking foolishing just like taseer

people like taseer and dozens of other taseers will eat up fund money for earth quate and flood disasters which is donated by common pakistani??


its just the other side of the coin.. just a common sense

A lot of this is Pakistan's fault. Why did people vote for the current government? Like they say the government usually reflects the people of a country. There was no proof that Taseer was involved in corruption scandals. As for "speaking foolishing" like Taseer, are people not allowed to have an opinion? How was he speaking foolishly when all he said that the law was flawed ( which it is). So are you saying that everyone who has a different opinion should be murdered? As for the thousands of Pakistanis being killed, if Pakistanis can support a murderer like Qadri, then why is it surprising that people are blowing themselves up and killing thousands of Pakistanis?
 
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So Taseer stole funds for the earthquake relief as well? The 2005 earthquake while Taseer was no where in sight of any funds? He was inducted into a caretaker govt. by Musharraf in 2007.

You are in my crosshair now. You liar! You lied that '90% of Pakistanis support the Blasphemy Law'. You posted pictures of Taseer's 'half naked' daughters repeatedly. You repeatedly claimed that Taseer was 'corrupt' without any proof. You keep discounting that Taseer was a self-made man, who worked for his education in the UK and then he started businesses which employed thousands of Pakistanis. Of course it is not use mentioning to a Jihadi like you that Taseer stood for an innocent Christian man: To you they are not even human.

You will continue to be exposed. I promise you that. You accuse ME of being talking about Taseer while you and your ilk are the one who continue to spread lies about one genuine Pakistani political hero in a long time.

LOL what a loony.

When did I say 90% of Pakistanis support blasphemy law?

All I am saying is that the man was f!lthy rich and was the governor of Punjab and had the power and fortune to help the common Pakistani man which he didnt. Now why should I mourn over him that so many of you secularist mohajirs are doing :tdown:
 
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how will a nation remain tolerant when it will constantly being bombarded by drones daily

Most nations become patriotic when they are under attack. In Pakistan, we are starting to kill each other instead.

The Islamists don't care about Pakistan; all they care about is Islam -- their version of Islam.

Anyone who dares speak out for the rights of other Pakistani citizens gets shot.
 
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You accuse ME of being talking about Taseer while you and your ilk are the one who continue to spread lies about one genuine Pakistani political hero in a long time.



How was Taseer a hero? Granted he was against the blasphemy laws, apart from that, what did he do for Pakistan?
 
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my question to these people who are terming pakistan and pakistanis an intolerant nation is that

how will a nation remain tolerant when it will constantly being bombarded by drones daily

if thousands of pakistanis will be killled every time

news of missile strikes will shock them each day after a bad sleep

inflation with knock the doors every day

people like zardaris will be running the affairs of state, and corrupts will live in rich manner while people do suicide from poverty??

while CIA covertly operates in pakistan, blasts keep happening each day

then people in govt will start playing with pakistani sentiments by speaking foolishing just like taseer

people like taseer and dozens of other taseers will eat up fund money for earth quate and flood disasters which is donated by common pakistani??


its just the other side of the coin.. just a common sense

I can understand the rest of your arguments but please tell me how the Late Governer is responsible for intolerance?
 
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LOL what a loony.

When did I say 90% of Pakistanis support blasphemy law?

All I am saying is that the man was f!lthy rich and was the governor of Punjab and had the power and fortune to help the common Pakistani man which he didnt. Now why should I mourn over him that so many of you secularist mohajirs are doing :tdown:

Just because he did not use his private wealth to help common Pakistanis you want him dead? By this logic you should murder every politician in Pakistan and probably even yourself because you wont be "helping" Pakistan in any way by doing this.
 
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Just because he did not use his private wealth to help common Pakistanis you want him dead? By this logic you should murder every politician in Pakistan and probably even yourself because you wont be "helping" Pakistan in any way by doing this.

If I was Governor of Punjab, I would use my status, power, and wealth to help improve the lives of my poor Pakistani people.

He did absolutely nothing to help the common Pakistani person. He didn't even help his own people in his own province who were suffering in the worst natural disaster in the history of Punjab.

So why the hell should we consider him a hero?

He did absolutely nothing for Punjab and nothing for Pakistan.
 
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