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Pakistani militant group easily evades ban

Pakistani militant group with sights on India evades what critics call halfhearted ban

ASIF SHAHZAD and CHRIS BRUMMITT
AP News

Feb 23, 2010 14:07 EST

Long-haired jihadis toting automatic weapons patrolled a mosque last week as the cleric who heads the militant network blamed for the Mumbai attacks preached inside. The group's supporters collected funds in the courtyard and later marched through this eastern Pakistani city, calling for the death of those who insult Islam.

Pakistan announced a ban on Jamaat-ud-Dawa — sealing the group's offices, freezing assets and rounding up leaders — amid international outrage after the 2008 siege of the Indian financial capital. But the group has scored a few wins in court against the government and is up and running again, exposing Islamabad's unwillingness to fully crack down on militants who target India, its longtime enemy.

The resurgence of the group could chill the first round of peace talks between Pakistan and India since the attacks.

India is insisting the negotiations Thursday focus on Pakistan's efforts to rein in groups such as Jamaat-ud-Dawa; Pakistan wants all issues, including the disputed territory of Kashmir, to be on the table.

The United States has urged the two nuclear-armed nations to resume dialogue despite Indian concerns about the Pakistan's crackdown on militants. Both nations mobilized troops to their shared border as tensions spiked following Mumbai. Another major attack by Pakistani militants on Indian soil would put New Delhi under intense domestic pressure to mount a military response.

India, the United States and the United Nations allege Jamaat is the front group for Lashkar-e-Taiba, which they charge carried out the attacks in December 2008 that killed 166 people in Mumbai. Seven militants identified as members of Lashkar by prosecutors are currently on trial in Pakistan charged with planning and carrying out the attacks. The sole surviving alleged gunman in the attacks, Ajmal Kasab, a Pakistani with links to Lashkar, is on trial in India.

Lashkar was founded in the 1980s by Hafiz Saeed with the assistance of Pakistan's security agencies to wage war against India in the hopes of wresting the Indian portion of Kashmir away from New Delhi. The group claimed responsibility for numerous attacks there, but the government banned it in 2002 following pressure from the United States after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Saeed is now the leader of Jamaat, which claims to be focused only on charity work. It runs a large network of Islamic schools and clinics, and participates in disaster relief.

Members of Jamaat say there is no link between it and Lashkar. But even Rana Sanaullah Khan, who is the law minister in Punjab, said the two are simply different wings of the same group.


After the Mumbai siege, Saeed, a 60-year-old former Islamic studies lecturer, was placed under house arrest but was freed in June last year by the Lahore High Court, which said there was no evidence he was involved in any wrongdoing. In October, a court ruled there was no case against Saeed and found that the government had never formally prohibited Jamaat. The government has appealed to the Supreme Court.

Even before the court ruling, however, critics said Pakistan was not aggressively enforcing the ban.

Saeed has exploited the legal limbo and openly challenges the government's attempts to tamp down his group.

On the government's Kashmir Solidarity Day earlier this month, Saeed addressed supporters in Lahore who waved Lashkar flags and shouted "Here comes Lashkar to kill the Hindus."


"If America with the help of NATO and all its weapons could not maintain its occupation in Afghanistan, India too will not be able to hold on to Kashmir anymore," Saeed told the crowd.

Frustration at the impunity groups like Jamaat seem to enjoy angers some lawmakers.

"It is shocking to see how banned terrorist organizations are allowed to challenge the writ of the state," Sherry Rehman, a lawmaker with the ruling party, told parliament on Tuesday. "What is the point of our innocent civilians and soldiers dying in a borderless war against such terrorists, when armed, banned outfits can hold the whole nation hostage in the heart of Punjab's provincial capital?"


Security and government officials in Lahore offered several reasons for the lack of action against Saeed and his group. They said India had presented no evidence of his involvement in the Mumbai attacks; stressed he was not involved in any of the attacks by Islamist militants that have struck Pakistan over the last year, several of them in Lahore; and they said that closing the group's schools would deprive thousands of an education and health care.

But analysts said Pakistan had strategic reasons for not acting against Jamaat.

"Pakistan is keeping these groups as a gray area of its policy, and it will continue doing so long as there are no guaranteed steps from India," defense analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi said, referring to moves to resolve the Kashmir dispute. "Pakistan does not see these groups as completely undesirable if there is no progress on its issues."


India has demanded Saeed be put on trial for the Mumbai attacks.

A government-appointed administrator is now in charge at the group's headquarters in Muridke, just outside Lahore. Spread over 75 acres, it has schools and a hospital that provide free services for nearby residents, stabling for horses and a swimming pool.

But the staff there are still from Jamaat, though Minister Khan said they are "not very devoted" members.

A spokesman for Jamaat scoffs at the idea that the government has frozen its assets, as Islamabad said it had done when the ban was announced.

"How can someone who doesn't contribute any money control the purse strings?" said Yahya Mujahid.

The guards posted outside the mosque on Friday were to protect against possible attack by Indian agents, said Mujahid.

A man collecting donations defended the right for the group to do so. "Do you see any harm? Is it wrong?" he asked. "These funds are for welfare in the name of Allah."

In other parts of the country, there has been some enforcement of the ban.

In Karachi, the country's largest city but never a stronghold of the group, it was evicted from its old offices in a residential block where a family now lives. Members say it is no longer allowed to hold large rallies and have had to close down three health clinics due to lack of funds.

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Associated Press reporters Babar Dogar in Lahore and Ashraf Khan in Karachi contributed to this report.
 
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Guys this article is not from an Indian source.The writers are Pakistani who say that JuD and Saeed both are militants. Sherry Rehman says Saeed and his organizations are terrorists.

Your own people call them terrorists and you ask evidences(which are never adequate) from us!!! Strange:whistle:

Care to take some action or still sleeping?:lazy:
 
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Guys this article is not from an Indian source.The writers are Pakistani who say that JuD and Saeed both are militants. Sherry Rehman says Saeed and his organizations are terrorists.

Your own people call them terrorists and you ask evidences(which are never adequate) from us!!! Strange:whistle:

Care to take some action or still sleeping?:lazy:


Patience , we are building a big ... "whip" to whip them good
 
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Proper cases were held against them, if Pakistan does not have evidence, and India does not have evidence. Then what should we hold against them?

Is the case against them that they are brandishing weapons? If that was the case they'd be slapped with a fine. The Lahore High court tried Hafiz Saeed on the Mumbai case. No link was proved between JuD and LeT. They may not be innocent, but they haven't been proven guilty. Simple as that.
 
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The thread is already posted so better Indians should look for it and then post again.


NO evidence was found against the Charity Organisation hence the Court given its verdict.

End of the argument.
 
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How about Indians provide some evidence? How are the Indians doing with convicting the mumbai attackers?
 
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Azad, what is India supposed to do while it is waiting for Pakistan? Furthermore, what, in your opinion, should India do if it suffers something like another Mumbai Massacre?
 
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Azad, what is India supposed to do while it is waiting for Pakistan? Furthermore, what, in your opinion, should India do if it suffers something like another Mumbai Massacre?

They should try something called intel sharing ever heard about it?
 
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Can you point to useful intel that Pakistan has offered to India about Muslim terrorists/"freedom fighters"/"stateless actors"? If not, why should India believe that sharing information would actually lead to prosecutions or extraditions, rather than fine-tuning for the next terror attack?
 
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Can you point to useful intel that Pakistan has offered to India about Muslim terrorists/"freedom fighters"/"stateless actors"? If not, why should India believe that sharing information would actually lead to prosecutions or extraditions, rather than fine-tuning for the next terror attack?

That would imply that we did not have intel regarding attacks in India.

India however routinely issues statements that is has intelligence regarding attacks being plotted against it - which makes sense since Indian intelligence is focused on those issues, whereas ours is not. In that case sharing intelligence by India regarding potential plots would be a step forward.

As for Hafiz Saeed, India implicitly accepted that it had no evidence against HS when it asked Pakistan to 'investigate and find evidence' - that sounds more like they want Pakistan to possibly implicate HS in a false case.

This is why the UN should have referred the case to the ICJ or some sort of independent judicial mechanism should be set up for banning groups and individuals where they can offer their POV, rather than this arbitrary banning of entities without any due process.
 
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Didn't india just recently change their story on the person who was talking to the terrorists over the phone? They now say he was indian and not a pakistani LeT commander?
 
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Azad, what is India supposed to do while it is waiting for Pakistan? Furthermore, what, in your opinion, should India do if it suffers something like another Mumbai Massacre?

She should improve her own security and keep an eye on the performance of her forces and question so that next time some rag tag gunmen could not slip in in rubber boats bluffing the mighty Indian Blue water Navy.


She should keep an eye on internal elements who are helping the attackers as handlers

:pop:
 
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Can you point to useful intel that Pakistan has offered to India about Muslim terrorists/"freedom fighters"/"stateless actors"? If not, why should India believe that sharing information would actually lead to prosecutions or extraditions, rather than fine-tuning for the next terror attack?

The media reports quoting US officials from US intellegence agencies has it that US knew about the attack and that US warned Bharat about it but US did not share the information in time.


We dint have any information hence onus is not on us but India and US.
 
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