Pakistani man jailed for chanting 'Allahu Akbar'on Emirates flight

[DesiGuy1403]

My interest was generated by the talk with a hindu friend in real life who said that he believed in one supreme being. muslims called him Allah, hindus called him Bhagwan.

That's his belief.
If you ask 1000 Hindus what they think of god, you will get 1000 different answers.
Some will see god in nature, some in their parents, some in the society, some in knowledge and there are Hindus who are Atheists as well.

God is not the centrality of Hinduism.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Also in public and crowded areas if you cant speak Italian while in Italy or any other language for that matter in its country, speak English. Not that your freedom is being taken away but its polite and puts surrounding people at ease.

Do you afford that liberty to citizens of other nations when citizens of Christendom travel there? Or, should the natives of the visited country learn English to accommodate the foreigners?

 

[Strigon]

Do you afford that liberty to citizens of other nations when citizens of Christendom travel there? Or, should the natives of the visited country learn English to accommodate the foreigners?

Depends on the visited country really, some people are polite enough to make tourists at ease and help out. Some natives despise tourists regardless of where they come from. And some natives stare at them long enough to make them uncomfortable, if they tourists are not already hounded by religious brigades. You might be able to relate to the last one pretty well.

But I meant as a general guide line. Feel free to flush wisdom in gutter, after all things are going very well with Muslims and Pakistanis all over the world.

As per reports he is suffering from mantle illness and forget to take his medication further he is mourning his mothers death.
Quite a reasons for his erratic behavior.

Does not matter. A mentally unstable person has to be accompanied by someone that can put him to ease. You just cant have such people running around especially his type given current volatile situation and especially airports.

 

[Strigon]

Kindly contact nearest phycologist. ASAP

I would tell you to learn the spelling of psychologist or at least use auto-correct but knowing you have a bigger ego than your actual worth, its useless to actually argue logic.

 

[dadeechi]

I know what you had asked.

My interest was generated by the talk with a hindu friend in real life who said that he believed in one supreme being. muslims called him Allah, hindus called him Bhagwan.
My personal understanding is that the God, which any religion may call or relate to, as only one supreme being above all, is same God which muslims call Allah.

However, you gave something new now about discovery.

That's his belief.
If you ask 1000 Hindus what they think of god, you will get 1000 different answers.
Some will see god in nature, some in their parents, some in the society, some in knowledge and there are Hindus who are Atheists as well.

God is not the centrality of Hinduism.

actually Hindus do believe in one supreme being.
HE is called PooranBrahma. But he is without shape, without energy, the energy is called Maa Durga, Maa Mahamaya.
They complete each other. They both are same.
With the will of PooranBrahma, Ma Durga the energy created whole multiverses.

In each Mutiliverse, there are Tridevas <Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh> under these three rest of all Devas comes but all derive energy from Maa Durga, even Asuras and Humans.

The concept of Moksha is to get absorbed in ParamAtma that is pooran brahma, our souls should get back to the supreme soul, we all have to make this journey. Good or bad doesnt matter ultimately all paths lead to The One, The supreme being, The Pooran Brahma.

Heaven and hell are just cycles from where soul climbs and drops as per the karmas perform by the beings in Human life, which is very hard to come by, so we all have to work towards this goal millions of human births, we might land up in heaven or hell periodically, when our good Karmas are spent in Heaven we get back to Human life, a soul will take form of all 8.4 million species as described in vedas, until it get back to Human form.

So better use this birth to get to that goal as much as possible .

Actually there is a method to this madness..

Hinduism is a religion/philosophy based on scientific theories that have been refined over the ages.

Rishis of the past were highly educated scientists who gave their theories about life and universe.

There are two basic theories

1) Big Bang theory: The sound of Aum represents God (energy). Even though it is written/denoted with the symbol, it is the energy which is the key.

It represents the energy that caused the Big Bang (Hiraṇyagarbha - 'golden womb') and thereby causing the Universes to come alive, It represents that energy which is making the universes to expand and it is that energy that would make the universes to collapse one day completing the full cycle. Note that Hindus believe in circular time calendar (Yugas).

When one chants AUM (sometimes written as OM)

a) A - First the closed lips open (representing the big bang) - This is represented by Brahma (The Creator)

b) U - Then one continues the sound (representing the expanding universes) - This is represented by Vishnu (The Sustainer)

c) M - This is when the lips close back (representing the collapsing of the universes) - This is represented by Shiva (The Destroyer)

The trinity of Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva are together represented as Adhi Shakti (literally meaning the first energy but representing all forms of energies in ensuring that this cycle continues)

Many people think that Hindus believe and worship multiple gods where as the truth is that Hindus worship the energy (in various forms) that keeps this cycle of universe running.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed but transforms from one form to another is the underlying concept on which Hinduism is based on. Since Energy manifests in different forms and is omnipresent, you would see Hindus worshipping various forms of energy and life (which is a form of energy) from nature to objects of the universe to plants to animals. This also gave birth to the concept of "Aham Brahmasmi" , literally meaning I am god myself ,as every living creature has life and energy which is the manifestation of God.

2) Steady State theory: Buddhism was based on this. Basically it said there was no Big Bang and Universe existed, exists and will continue to exit AS-IS. Hence, there is no energy or god. Hence, Buddhism was an atheistic theory. But later, Adi Shankaraacharya successfully convinced that why that theory was false. Buddhist monks got convinced by the arguments put forwarded by Adi Shankaraacharya which resulted in Buddhists converting back to Hindus in India.


@Sarge When your Hindu friend was referring to Bhagawan, He was referring to this supreme energy

 

[DesiGuy1403]

Actually there is a method to this madness..

Hinduism is a religion/philosophy based on scientific theories that have been refined over the ages.

Rishis of the past were highly educated scientists who gave their theories about life and universe.

There are two basic theories

1) Big Bang theory: The sound of Aum represents God (energy). Even though it is written/denoted with the symbol, it is the energy which is the key.

It represents the energy that caused the Big Bang (Hiraṇyagarbha - 'golden womb') and thereby causing the Universes to come alive, It represents that energy which is making the universes to expand and it is that energy that would make the universes to collapse one day completing the full cycle. Note that Hindus believe in circular time calendar (Yugas).

When one chants AUM (sometimes written as OM)

a) A - First the closed lips open (representing the big bang) - This is represented by Brahma (The Creator)

b) U - Then one continues the sound (representing the expanding universes) - This is represented by Vishnu (The Sustainer)

c) M - This is when the lips close back (representing the collapsing of the universes) - This is represented by Shiva (The Destroyer)

The trinity of Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva are together represented as Adhi Shakti (literally meaning the first energy but representing all forms of energies in ensuring that this cycle continues)

Many people think that Hindus believe and worship multiple gods where as the truth is that Hindus worship the energy (in various forms) that keeps this cycle of universe running.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed but transforms from one form to another is the underlying concept on which Hinduism is based on. Since Energy manifests in different forms and is omnipresent, you would see Hindus worshipping various forms of energy and life (which is a form of energy) from nature to objects of the universe to plants to animals. This also gave birth to the concept of "Aham Brahmasmi" , literally meaning I am god myself ,as every living creature has life and energy which is the manifestation of God.

2) Steady State theory: Buddhism was based on this. Basically it said there was no Big Bang and Universe existed, exists and will continue to exit AS-IS. Hence, there is no energy or god. Hence, Buddhism was an atheistic theory. But later, Adi Shankaraacharya successfully convinced that that why their theory was false. Buddhist monks got convinced by the arguments put forwarded by Adi Shankaraacharya which resulted in Buddhists converting back to Hindus in India.


@Sarge When your Hindu friend was referring to Bhagawan, He was referring to this supreme energy

Just to pour bit of fire into this, I know quite a few Atheist Hindus, who insist they are Hindus but don't believe in god.
I would love some one trying to explain these folks they are not Hindus because they don't believe in our holy trinity or OM or other spiritual structures

 

[dadeechi]

Just to pour bit of fire into this, I know quite a few Atheist Hindus, who insist they are Hindus but don't believe in god.
I would love some one trying to explain these folks they are not Hindus because they don't believe in our holy trinity or OM or other spiritual structures

But I would have to agree with them.

Hinduism is not a structured religion and is just a collection of theories put forward by various scientific scholars. Monotheism, dualism and atheism are all valid philosophical thoughts. Hinduism does not define finality and this is the discovery every Hindu is exhorted to go through as part of their life.

Just check this link where different schools of thought have interpreted the same Bhagavad Gita differently based on their school of thought.

http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-06-18.html

 

[Imtiaz_Sarwar]

perhaps he was drunk..free alcohol on international flights make some people do stupid things

A drunk would never say " Allah Akbar" and a person who says " Allah Akbar" will never drink. These are mutually exclusive.

 

[Imtiaz_Sarwar]

Let me share a true story of Allahu akbar....while traveling in Pakistan a taxi driver cursing the police for giving hard time. Same taxi driver in next breath share the story, that today in the morning. He wasting for fare, few cops ask a old man to move from the front of closed shop . Old man refused to move , he was covering the body with big sheet of cloth ( chaddar)..when police force him, he stand up, while stand up he shout Allahu akbar (typical way)............within second all cops start running in opposite direction and scared......guess what they thought...........

A good one. Besides being a true story, it would also classify as a very good joke considering the emotional state our country is in now.

 

[SQ8]

never anyone did something good for europe when those words were said. sorry but try to see from our side.

Actually, they did.. when troops from India fought the nazis. Many a Muslim is buried in Europe fighting Hitler.
Problem is, you are too bigoted and filled with hatred to see ANYTHING beyond your narrow and ignorant PoV.

A drunk would never say " Allah Akbar" and a person who says " Allah Akbar" will never drink. These are mutually exclusive.

Tell that to maulana Sheerani.

 

[HAIDER]

Actually, they did.. when troops from India fought the nazis. Many a Muslim is buried in Europe fighting Hitler.
Problem is, you are too bigoted and filled with hatred to see ANYTHING beyond your narrow and ignorant PoV.


Tell that to maulana Sheerani.

Kausar Niazi...Maulana Whiskey

 

[MarkusS]

Actually, they did.. when troops from India fought the nazis. Many a Muslim is buried in Europe fighting Hitler.
Problem is, you are too bigoted and filled with hatred to see ANYTHING beyond your narrow and ignorant PoV.


Tell that to maulana Sheerani.

With all due respect but thats not common sense. Its plain and simple that many muslims would want harm to be simply because their beliefes demand so. Many committed horrible attacks while shouting those words. Just few days ago 9 of my country men died and got their throats slit while those words were shouted.

I connect only evil in those words.

 

[laphroaig]

Actually, they did.. when troops from India fought the nazis. Many a Muslim is buried in Europe fighting Hitler.
Problem is, you are too bigoted and filled with hatred to see ANYTHING beyond your narrow and ignorant PoV.

Good point sir.

Most if not all of what is good with and in the Muslim world has traditionally come out of India.

 

[SQ8]

Good point sir.

Most if not all of what is good with and in the Muslim world has traditionally come out of India.

A lot did. The Indian subcontinent produced many a modern(not western, but in line with current times) interpretation of the scripture and provided a bullwark for a long time to the supposed purist movements that now have Arab states in flames.

With all due respect but thats not common sense. Its plain and simple that many muslims would want harm to be simply because their beliefes demand so. Many committed horrible attacks while shouting those words. Just few days ago 9 of my country men died and got their throats slit while those words were shouted.

I connect only evil in those words.

I lost 40000 of my countrymen to those words. How can you speak for all muslims when you cannot even speak for all Europe? The Vietnamese lost many more millions to democracy and the battle between the east and west. Yet, neither cowers behind claiming common sense as you do. It is just the hate that you have that clouds your judgement.

 

[MarkusS]

A lot did. The Indian subcontinent produced many a modern(not western, but in line with current times) interpretation of the scripture and provided a bullwark for a long time to the supposed purist movements that now have Arab states in flames.


I lost 40000 of my countrymen to those words. How can you speak for all muslims when you cannot even speak for all Europe? The Vietnamese lost many more millions to democracy and the battle between the east and west. Yet, neither cowers behind claiming common sense as you do. It is just the hate that you have that clouds your judgement.

You are free to believe that. You live in the west. You know as much as i do what is connected to those words for most westerners. It would be stupid to denie that they are loaded with absolute negative perception.