Pakistan was achieved in the name of Islam. Kayani .

[greatsequence]

No one can separate Islam and Pakistan: General Kayani

PESHAWAR: Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has said that Pakistan was achieved in the name of Islam and the religion can never be expelled from the country.

Addressing a gathering at Police Line Peshawar here, the COAS said that no one can separate Islam from Pakistan as the country was achieved in its name. He said that Pakistan Army will succeed in its bid to root out extremism from the country in cooperation with the nation and the media.

Announcing Rs 20 million for the martyrs of NWFP Police, Gen. Kayani said that the all kinds of needed weapons and ammunitions would be provided to police to make its progress better.

Earlier, Chief of Army Staff General was received by Corps Commander Lt. Gen. Muhammad Masood Aslam at Peshawar Airport when he arrived here on a day-long visit on Wednesday.

He will also visited Lady Reading Hospital to express solidarity with the bomb blast victims.

The Army Chief is schedule to meet Governor NWFP Owais Ahmad Ghani, Chief Minister Ameer Haider Khan Hoti, tribal elders and students later in the day.

 

[arihant]

If you have heard news, then it was said that "Pakistan consider themselves Muslim first then Pakistani". So there is no surprise in that.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Its not the time to be publicly pushing a 'secularist' position.

We are fighting an insurgency against groups that cast themselves as 'defenders of the faith'. To top it all, the insurgency is in an area where the people are, if not barbaric like the Taliban, still very religiously conservative.

To win an insurgency one needs the support of the locals, and espousing a 'secular' position publicly would be counter productive in terms of gaining that support and strengthen the hands of the insurgents arguing that the State is pushing a 'non Islamic agenda' at the behest of the West.

 

[FreekiN]

I totally agree with Kayani, and there is nothing that can disprove the statement made by him.

Pakistan will succeed against the barbarians in Waziristan. Inshallah.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

BTW, anyone else notice that Gen. Kiyani is having to act like a politician and do the job of the Prime Minister/President?

Just read the details of his visit to the NWFP:

Addressing a gathering in Peshawar, General Kayani commended police personnel for their efforts and for putting their lives on the line.

He also announced 20 million rupees in compensation for security forces’ personnel who lost their lives during terror related violence in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP).

During his day long visit, the Army Chief was scheduled to meet the NWFP Chief Minister Ameer Haider Khan Hoti, Governor Owais Ahmad Ghani and tribal elders. He was also scheduled to hold a discussion with students.

General Kayani also visited the Lady Reading hospital to enquire after the health of bomb blast victims, and was scheduled to meet the family members of those who lost their lives in terrorist attacks.

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Menace of terror to be fought with full force: Kayani

If we had a presidential system of government I would say he might have had an extremely good chance of being elected president after retiring.

 

[rajeev]

Its not the time to be publicly pushing a 'secularist' position.

We are fighting an insurgency against groups that cast themselves as 'defenders of the faith'. To top it all, the insurgency is in an area where the people are, if not barbaric like the Taliban, still very religiously conservative.

To win an insurgency one needs the support of the locals, and espousing a 'secular' position publicly would be counter productive in terms of gaining that support and strengthen the hands of the insurgents arguing that the State is pushing a 'non Islamic agenda' at the behest of the West.

Wont it make it harder for him to push Secularist position later? If PA which seems to be most admired institution in Pakistan according to British survey and its chief says that such statements, it is basically undermining the efforts to maintain a national identity.

Criminals often have some form of excuse to justify their behaviors. So rather than outshining them in those excuses wont it rather connect the cord with most Pakistanis who are moderates. Saying statements like this might give these extremists a platform to prove who is more Muslim than the other!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Wont it make it harder for him to push Secularist position later? If PA which seems to be most admired institution in Pakistan according to British survey and its chief says that such statements, it is basically undermining the efforts to maintain a national identity.

Criminals often have some form of excuse to justify their behaviors. So rather than outshining them in those excuses wont it rather connect the cord with most Pakistanis who are moderates.

Secularism is not about merely talking about a 'secularist identity', it is about the laws and system one has in place.

I would argue that more that secularism, the requirement is that Pakistan have laws that offer equality and justice to all, irrespective of whether Pakistan calls itself the 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan' or the 'Republic of Pakistan'.

The US had laws supporting slavery and segregation until a few decades ago. Turkey and France (both secular systems) have (had) discriminatory laws against conservative Muslim traditions, some of which have been challenged by the current Turkish government.

Saying statements like this might give these extremists a platform to prove who is more Muslim than the other!

Well, if Pakistani leaders openly spout 'secularism' the militants will have no problems casting themselves as the 'true representatives of Islam'.

 

[Spring Onion]

we do not need to spout fake secularism like our neighbours. all we have to do is to implement the laws

 

[Goodperson]

we do not need to spout fake secularism like our neighbours. all we have to do is to implement the laws

Do not derail the thread as usual.

 

[greatsequence]

It was good to hear about islam from army after this long musharaf era of modern enlightenment. Laws in pakistan dont opress any minority. Pakistan is an Islamic republic and its time again to say what pakistan people think of themselves not what a military dictators wants us to be.

 

[ajpirzada]

BTW, anyone else notice that Gen. Kiyani is having to act like a politician and do the job of the Prime Minister/President?

Just read the details of his visit to the NWFP:


If we had a presidential system of government I would say he might have had an extremely good chance of being elected president after retiring.

exactly. if our president decided to turn presidency into a bunker and PM is being pushed from every side then only kayani is left to fill this political vacuum in the war zone.

 

[MilesTogo]

you mean blasphemy laws?

we do not need to spout fake secularism like our neighbours. all we have to do is to implement the laws

 

[New Shivaji]

we do not need to spout fake secularism like our neighbours. all we have to do is to implement the laws

Ok - then why dont pakistan show to the whole world what real secularism is. Pls. implement it in pakistan.

You talking about secularism is not right - pls. talk about hudood laws or the blasphemy laws in pakistan.

POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK

 

[Comet]

So Kayani is filling the gap made by politicians. I think PM/President should visit Peshawar and Quetta regularly. Its there job not Kayani's.

 

[All-Green]

Pakistan is not secular and will never be.
We believe Islamic guidelines will ensure a prosperous society since Islam holds everyone equally accountable in the court and makes no exception.
Also the Islamic guidelines in no way impede the scientific advancement of a people, actually the emphasis in Islam to learn everything and to unravel the mysteries of the world provided a great impetus to the early Muslims in their bid to educate themselves and work tirelessly to achieve scientific excellence.

Islam defines very clear guidelines and there is a lot of margin in the implementation which gives clear flexibility to the legislators to amend and modify the laws in keeping with the situational requirements in accordance with the time and event that are certain to bring about great changes in the social setup.
It is proven by our history that the guidelines of Islam do provide a just and emancipated society where people are not bound by their parentage, caste or creed. The success story of these very principles spans centuries and across the globe.
The threat of Islamic laws is mostly to the political elite who will be much more accountable, even the concept of presidential immunity is actually against Islam which clearly gives the right to any citizen (regardless of the religion) to take the ruler to court.
The point is that in Pakistan the issue was not of failure in thought but in implementation, when implementation fails then eventually the plan is also doubted which is why there are many who deem that the woes of Pakistan is because of an Islamic identity.
This is certainly not the case, the problem is the lapse in the implementation of our laws and not with the ideology. The ideology which is based on the principles of equality, justice and fair play for all is rock solid and acceptable to an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis.

Also if we do abandon the Islamic laws to the likes of the terrorists then we shall be committing a great crime in letting these rascals be the flag bearers of our way of life.
They know zero about Islamic law and thrive on ignorance and that is the reason they resort only to terrorism, because they have no logic and weight in the eyes of Islam for their actions and their claimed rights to carry out these actions.