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Pakistan, U.S. Have ‘Political Understanding’ on Drones, Says Pasha
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09 Jul 2013 By AFP and Newsweek Pakistan




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Former ISI chief confirms U.S. personnel were deployed at Shamsi airbase, terms Pakistan a ‘failing state.’

Pakistan had an understanding with the United States on drone strikes targeting Islamist militants and the attacks can be useful, according to leaked remarks from a former intelligence chief.

Islamabad publicly condemns missile attacks on Taliban and Al Qaeda operatives in its northern areas as a violation of its sovereignty, but the new revelations are the latest sign of double-dealing in private.

They come in findings of a Pakistani investigation into how Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden evaded detection for nearly a decade, which were published by the Al Jazeera news network on Monday.

Ahmed Shuja Pasha, who headed Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency at the time of bin Laden’s killing in 2011, told investigators that drone strikes had their uses. “The [director-general] said there were no written agreements. There was a political understanding,” the report said.

The Americans had been asked to stop drone strikes because they caused civilian casualties, but “it was easier to say no to them in the beginning, but ‘now it was more difficult’ to do so,” it quoted the former spymaster as saying, noting that it was “reassuring that the ISI and the military leadership may be ready to criticize the decisions of the military and intelligence leadership of a decade ago.”

“Admittedly the drone attacks had their utility, but they represented a breach of national sovereignty. They were legal according to American law but illegal according to international law,” the report quoted the ISI chief as saying. He also confirmed that Shamsi airbase, in Balochistan province, had been used for U.S. drone strikes against people in the country.

Pakistan ordered U.S. personnel to leave the base after botched U.S. airstrikes killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November 2011.

Pasha also criticized the provincial leaderships, claiming the Punjab police had “protected those who attacked the Qadianis last year [2010].” According to the report, the former ISI chief claimed the police even directed the militants to the hospital where the wounded were being treated. “The provincial government has been informed of the situation but it took no heed of the advice and information provided by the ISI,” the report quotes Pasha as saying. In May 2010, members of the homegrown Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan attacked Ahmadi mosques in Lahore killing 94 people and injuring over 100. Gunmen also attacked a hospital where the injured were being treated the same day.

Pasha’s interviews also laid bare extraordinary levels of distrust between Pakistan and the United States, particularly in 2011 when relations plummeted over the U.S. raid that killed bin Laden and a CIA contractor who shot dead two Pakistanis.

Pasha said U.S. arrogance “knew no limits” and accused the Americans of waging “psychological warfare” over the whereabouts of Taliban leader Mullah Omar and bin Laden’s successor Ayman al-Zawahiri.

He quoted a U.S. intelligence officer as saying “you are so cheap … we can buy you with a visa,” and said himself that systemic failures showed Pakistan was a “failing state.”

The Pakistani report condemned the U.S. raid in Abbottabad for bin Laden as an “American act of war” and said the military should have responded much more quickly to the three-hour operation, 100 miles inside its territory. According to the report, the then ruling coalition did not condemn the attacks until 11 days after the events of May 2, 2011. It was Pakistan’s “greatest humiliation” since East Pakistan seceded in 1971, it said

Source: Pakistan, U.S. Have
 
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I thought page 197 which has Pasha's statement missing from the leaked report.....
 
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Enjoy politicians!!! Pay there salaries, perks and trips abroad!
 
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I thought page 197 which has Pasha's statement missing from the leaked report.....

I am actually stunned to here this!! How come PML-N would have disclosed General Pasha's stunning revelation that claimed ''the Punjab police even directed the militants to the hospital where the wounded were being treated." ?

This report is also a slap to Hamid Mir Jafar who went on to claim that 'General Pasha was working for CIA'.
 
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So all the false bravado and chest thumping of pak military, political parties, state actors and non-state actors finally exposed.

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan reached an understanding with the United States on drone strikes targeting militants and the attacks can be useful, said the leaked remarks of a former intelligence chief.
Pakistan publicly condemns US missile attacks on Taliban and al Qaeda operatives as a violation of its sovereignty, but the new revelations are the latest sign of double-dealing in private.

They come in findings of a Pakistani investigation into how al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden evaded detection for nearly a decade, which were published by the Al-Jazeera news network Monday.

Ahmed Shuja Pasha, who headed Pakistan’s premier Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency at the time of bin Laden’s killing in 2011, told investigators that drone strikes had their uses.“T he DG (director general) said there were no written agreements. There was a political understanding,” the report said.

The Americans had been asked to stop drone strikes because they caused civilian casualties, but “it was easier to say no to them in the beginning, but ‘now it was more difficult’ to do so,” it quoted the former spymaster as saying.

“Admittedly the drone attacks had their utility, but they represented a breach of national sovereignty. They were legal according to American law but illegal according to international law,” the report quoted the ISI chief as saying. He also confirmed that Shamsi air base, in southwestern Pakistan, had been used for US drone strikes against people in the country.

Pakistan ordered US personnel to leave the base after botched US air strikes killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November 2011.

His interviews also laid bare extraordinary levels of distrust between Pakistan and the United States, particularly in 2011 when relations plummeted over the US raid that killed bin Laden and a CIA contractor who shot dead two Pakistanis.

Pasha said US arrogance “knew no limits” and accused the Americans of waging “psychological warfare” over the whereabouts of Taliban leader Mullah Omar and bin Laden’s successor Ayman al-Zawahiri.

He quoted a US intelligence officer as saying “you are so cheap… we can buy you with a visa,” and said himself that systemic failures showed Pakistan was a “failing state”.The Pakistani report condemned the US raid as an “American act of war” and said the military should have responded much more quickly to a three-hour operation, 100 miles inside its territory.

It was Pakistan’s “greatest humiliation” since East Pakistan seceded in 1971, it said.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/574505/leaked-report-reveals-pakistan-us-understanding-on-drones/
 
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Oops the cat is out of the bag? Well we all knew this but it is good to see it coming straight from the man chosen to protect Pakistan. Makes me wonder if this leak was not deliberate and are things going to get worse in Pakistan so the public is being mentally prepared for it in advance?
 
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tell me which we don't know.....Many members on forum have said this numerous time that there is an agreement between Military, Govt and US on drone strikes....so I don't find it interesting
 
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“Admittedly the drone attacks had their utility, but they represented a breach of national sovereignty. They were legal according to American law but illegal according to international law”
The problem Pakistan has, of course, is that the drone attacks are NOT illegal under international law. There are two main arguments: one, the right of national self-defense: U.S. vs. al-Qaeda. Two, post-9/11 U.N. Security Council Resolution 1373 which made it the binding sovereign obligation to eliminate terror-training camps, terror havens, terror financing, etc. Failure to do so nulls a member-state's sovereignty when other member-states employ their armed forces to battle recognized terrorists.

No one, it seems, wants to openly acknowledge 1373. I imagine the U.S. and other countries don't because it doesn't want to embarrass Pakistan. I imagine Pakistan doesn't because too many Pakistanis can't stand the corollary that their country can't serve as the nuclear-armed haven that sends "stateless actors" to attack Indians anymore.
 
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Oops the cat is out of the bag? Well we all knew this but it is good to see it coming straight from the man chosen to protect Pakistan. Makes me wonder if this leak was not deliberate and are things going to get worse in Pakistan so the public is being mentally prepared for it in advance?
aray bhai this is what i have been trying to say to you in the other thread, my comment is still on 2nd page on that thread, yehi tou mein kehnay ki koshish kar raha tha...but you guys never listened
 
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aray bhai this is what i have been trying to say to you in the other thread, my comment is still on 2nd page on that thread, yehi tou mein kehnay ki koshish kar raha tha...but you guys never listened

English please if you want a reply!
 
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@ Last finally people of Pakistan got to know after 60 years about PAKISTAN FOREIGN AND INTERNAL POLICY
"METI PAOO"
 
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