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Islamabad identifies certain groups for negotiations, including the Haqqani network but the US does not agree.


ISLAMABAD: Behind-the-scene efforts to seek peace with insurgents fighting Nato troops in neighbouring Afghanistan have made little or no progress because of differences between Pakistan and the US over the definition of ‘reconcilable’ Taliban.

The Express Tribune has learnt that Islamabad, as part of the reconciliation efforts to find an end to the years of bloodshed in Afghanistan and Pakistan’s tribal areas, has identified certain groups for negotiations. One such group is North Waziristan-based al Qaeda-inspired Haqqani network.

But the US does not agree. “This is the real contentious point. Pakistan believes the Haqqani network is reconcilable but the US certainly does not think that is the case,” a senior American diplomat told The Express Tribune.

Requesting not to be named due to the sensitivity of the issue, the diplomat questioned the wisdom of Pakistan over considering a group reconcilable, which has strong links with al Qaeda.

Led by aging Jalauddin Haqqani and his son Sirajuddin Haqqani, the group has strongholds in Afghanistan’s Paktia, Paktika and Khost provinces. But, it has also foot soldiers in several parts of the war-ravaged country to fight the US-led Nato forces. And that is the reason the Obama administration has been pressing Pakistan to eliminate ‘safe heavens’ of the group from the tribal areas.

But, Pakistan’s policymakers think differently.

“The US policy is really confusing at this stage. They want reconciliation yet they ask Pakistan to target groups who can be helpful for a political settlement,” remarked a military official. “We have been telling the Americans that don’t alienate all elements of the Afghan Taliban by using force against them,” said the official, who requested not to be identified.

He said Pakistan does not believe that launching an offensive against the Haqqani network at this stage will be in the ‘national interest.’

“The Haqqani network has to play a major role in any future political settlement of Afghanistan,” he added. And this is why, Pakistan is very careful about going after them, he maintained.

A senior foreign ministry official talks more candidly. “We do not consider the Afghan Taliban as Pakistan’s enemies. They never threaten us, they are our assets,” was the blunt response of the official when asked to share Islamabad’s perspective on the Afghan Taliban.

US officials say this confirms their fear that Pakistan has a ‘hands-off’ approach towards certain groups. “Pakistan has nurtured groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba as their assets and now the same militant organisations are haunting you,” said a senior US diplomat. “Gen Patreaus and Gen Kayani have been discussing these issues regularly,” he said.

He said the Obama administration is in favour of reconciliation but not with groups identified by Pakistan.

“It is a known fact that the Haqqani network is closely-linked with al Qaeda and this is a disqualification,” he said.

Former ambassador to Afghanistan Rustam Shah Mohmand said Pakistan would have to pay “a heavy price” if it goes after the Haqqani network.

“If Pakistan, for the sake of $2 billion in US aid, goes after the Haqqani network, it will have to face (serious) consequences over the next 50 years,” warned Mohmand, who is part of the Pakistan-Afghanistan jirga and considered to be linked with the military establishment.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 30th, 2010.
 
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Islamabad identifies certain groups for negotiations, including the Haqqani network but the US does not agree.


He said Pakistan does not believe that launching an offensive against the Haqqani network at this stage will be in the ‘national interest.’

“The Haqqani network has to play a major role in any future political settlement of Afghanistan,” he added. And this is why, Pakistan is very careful about going after them, he maintained.

A senior foreign ministry official talks more candidly. “We do not consider the Afghan Taliban as Pakistan’s enemies. They never threaten us, they are our assets,” was the blunt response of the official when asked to share Islamabad’s perspective on the Afghan Taliban.

“If Pakistan, for the sake of $2 billion in US aid, goes after the Haqqani network, it will have to face (serious) consequences over the next 50 years,” warned Mohmand, who is part of the Pakistan-Afghanistan jirga and considered to be linked with the military establishment.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 30th, 2010.

Well be up front and honest say Pakistan has no intention of going after Jalaluddin Haqqani that Pakistan doesnt care if he is killing Americans because you think you might be able to use him in the future?

Dont recyle the were too busy oh its the floods oh its India oh if you just gave us another few billion dollars.

Stump up and be honest that in the perspective of the future security of Pakistan dead Americans are a price your happy to pay then every one knows the rules.

It isnt a "definiton" problem Haqqani is a murdering thug everyone agrees on that the only question is who's thug is he?
 
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Well be up front and honest say Pakistan has no intention of going after Jalaluddin Haqqani that Pakistan doesnt care if he is killing Americans because you think you might be able to use him in the future?

Dont recyle the were too busy oh its the floods oh its India oh if you just gave us another few billion dollars.

Stump up and be honest that in the perspective of the future security of Pakistan dead Americans are a price your happy to pay then every one knows the rules.

It isnt a "definiton" problem Haqqani is a murdering thug everyone agrees on that the only question is who's thug is he?

lol they'll never do that you know, that's a double game they are quite adept at!

Pakistan regards Taliban as a strategic asset and that is pretty much it! They'll do all they can to see taliban return to afghanistan.

Sad for Afghan women and children...no one seems to care about them!:rolleyes:
 
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Hey, US can negotiate with Taliban all it wants, but when Pakistan does it, it must be for some ulterior motives.

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lol they'll never do that you know, that's a double game they are quite adept at!

Pakistan regards Taliban as a strategic asset and that is pretty much it! They'll do all they can to see taliban return to afghanistan.

Sad for Afghan women and children...no one seems to care about them!:rolleyes:

Give us some solid proof for your allegations or lay off.
 
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Hey, US can negotiate with Taliban all it wants, but when Pakistan does it, it must be for some ulterior motives.

As I have said before i would be more than happy for Pakistan to negotiate with Jalaluddin Haqqani along the basis that he lay down arms allow the Pakistan Army to patrol and control his teritory.

What you cant have is some one based in Pakistan that no one will touch that can jog 100 men across the border when he feels like it to shoot up a Nato base. You negotiate surrender, force surrender or at least control your dog.
 
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lol they'll never do that you know, that's a double game they are quite adept at!

Pakistan regards Taliban as a strategic asset and that is pretty much it! They'll do all they can to see taliban return to afghanistan.

Sad for Afghan women and children...no one seems to care about them!:rolleyes:

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Pakistan has this very long border with Afghanistan that is very difficult to control. What happens in Afghanistan affects Pakistan the most and we've seen that in these past 9 years. India is no where near Afghanistan so just shut your mouth and mind your own business.
 
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Give us some solid proof for your allegations or **** off.

Have a taste:

Haqqani’s connection with the ISI dates back to the times of the Soviet jihad. According to U.S. Special Envoy and Ambassador to Afghanistan (1989-1992), Peter Tomsen, the ISI has maintained its Jihad era ties with Haqqani.15 Right after the U.S. invasion in October 2001, Haqqani was invited to Islamabad for talks about a post-Taliban government.16 In a transcript passed to Mike McConnell, the Director of National Intelligence in May 2008, Pakistan’s army chief General Ashfaq Kayani was heard referring to Haqqani as “a strategic asset.”17 A top ISI official was reported to have held talks with Sirajuddin Haqqani, one of Jalaluddin’s sons who has replaced him as the leader of the movement due to his father’s ill-health, in Miranshah of North Waziristan in early March 2009.18 In a prisoner exchange with Pakistani Taliban led by Baitullah Mehsud, the Pakistani government released three family members of the Haqqani family in November 2007 – Haqqani’s brother Khalil Ahmad, son Dr. Fazl-i-Haqqani and brother-in-law Ghazi Khan.19 Haqqani is said to have mediated peace deals between the Pakistani government and Waziri and Mehsudi commanders of the Pakistani Taliban in North and South Waziristan.20

Haqqani Network | Institute for the Study of War
 
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What kind of a requirement is that? Since when did you start coming up with conditions for surrender? You think US is negotiating with Taliban on their own terms?
 
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Yea... US government sources are not evidence. If US government sources are evidence, then Iraq also had WMDs. That's no evidence dude. I am talking about some physical evidence. Not unnamed officials or mere accusations that are only word of mouth (which is essentially you whole link) and nothing physical. Some of it isn't even evidence even if we're to believe that it's true, since it doesn't imply any support for Haqqani.
 
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Well said, Vassnti, Sir. It seems pretty clear that Haqqani has been, and still is, Pakistan's favorite jihadi.

Favorite jihadi?

Do you even know what that means? I doubt if Americans would have lived that long in Afghanistan. They have already surpassed the average lifespan of foreign soldiers in Afghanistan, considering Soviets and British invasions before that.

Obama, if wants to get re-elected, he has to fulfill one promise and that is to lift troops out of Afghanistan by 2011. There is no peace, nothing has been achieved and the people you were after are still at large, not only that, are shipping bombs on board US courier services.

Funny eh?

Obama will come to Pakistan, when he knows 2011 will be bloody year for Afghanistan and Americans alike. Then he will tell PAK ARMY and ISI to take dollars and clean up the mess that Americans leave behind.

Now why the heck would Pakistan go after people that have the potential in very near future, to be in Afghanistan, that is Pakistan's own back yard?
 
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I find it hard to believe that US can negotiate with these groups but Pakistan is not allowed.

America couldn't destroy Taliban, why would we try? And if we were able to, it would be devastating to us. India on one side, Afghanistan on the other. The latter tied together with our future.
 
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Well be up front and honest say Pakistan has no intention of going after Jalaluddin Haqqani that Pakistan doesnt care if he is killing Americans because you think you might be able to use him in the future?

Dont recyle the were too busy oh its the floods oh its India oh if you just gave us another few billion dollars.

Stump up and be honest that in the perspective of the future security of Pakistan dead Americans are a price your happy to pay then every one knows the rules.

It isnt a "definiton" problem Haqqani is a murdering thug everyone agrees on that the only question is who's thug is he?

Wrong! there is something known as self interest, every country has one..........why shouldn't Pakistan? US hasn't even payed half the price of what Pakistan has payed both in terms of human life and economical loss since WOT started. Besides what the US must keep in mind is that Pakistan knows this area and the people in these areas much more then any of the US or NATO ever can, we share a long pours border with them, we have much more at stake then any other country involved and that is why our word should been taken seriously. If Pakistan says haqqani network can be reconciled within the afghan framework, then this should be given a serious thought since US is looking for an exist strategy which cannot be accomplished without Pakistan.
 
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