Pakistan to Buy Two Mine hunters from Netherland

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Nice small purchase , minor improvement for Navy
Is it brand new or used ships ?

 

[Rafi]

Nice small purchase , minor improvement for Navy
Is it brand new or used ships ?

Used, but in good nick.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Would be great to see how Navy Shapes up for 2025
Can't believe I have been here since 2009 and am talking about 2025 Navy

Military / Navy or even Airforce procurement is a very long process every big ticket item takes good 3-5 years

Would imagine having these units is good since Gwadar is suppose to be a Shipping highway route with many ships passing thru always good to have Mine detecting units

 

[monitor]

In the Royal Netherlands Navy, the Tripartites are known as the Alkmaar class. The Alkmaars were originally of similar design to the Belgian and French versions, with a standard displacement of 520 tonnes (510 long tons) and 553 tonnes (544 long tons) at full load.[13] The displacement later increased to 571 tonnes (562 long tons) standard and 605 tonnes (595 long tons) at full load[14] and then 630 tonnes (620 long tons) standard and 660 tonnes (650 long tons) at full load.[15] The 20 mm gun that was initially mounted was removed, leaving only three 12.7 mm machine guns. Beginning in 2003, the remaining Dutch Alkmaar-class minehunters were upgraded with improved electronics, including Atlas Elektronik INCMS combat data system, Thales 2022 Mk III hull-mounted sonar, Atlas Seafox Mine Identification, and Disposal System, and a Double Eagle Mk III Mod 1 ROV.[13][15]

The minehunters were constructed at the Van der Giessen-de-Noord yard in Amsterdam, a specially constructed site completed in 1978. Middelburg and Hellevoetsluis were optioned by Egypt, but due to financial issues, were instead completed for the Royal Netherlands Navy.[14] Two ships of a modified design were built for the Indonesian Navy which led to the delay of Vlaardingen and Willemstad's construction.[15]

In 2000, three ships (Alkmaar, Delfzijl and Dordrecht) were withdrawn from service, followed by two more (Harlingen and Scheveningen) in 2003. All five were sold to Latvia with handovers beginning in 2007.[16] Four more ships, (Haarlem, Maassluis, Middelburg and Hellevoetsluis) were decommissioned in 2011 following a series of deep budget cuts to the navy.[17] Two of them (Maassluis and Hellevoetsluis) were sold to Bulgaria in 2019.[18] In 2021 it was indicated that a further two ships would be sold to Pakistan.[19]

All ship Pakistan getting is roughly 35 years old

 

[Rafi]

In the Royal Netherlands Navy, the Tripartites are known as the Alkmaar class. The Alkmaars were originally of similar design to the Belgian and French versions, with a standard displacement of 520 tonnes (510 long tons) and 553 tonnes (544 long tons) at full load.[13] The displacement later increased to 571 tonnes (562 long tons) standard and 605 tonnes (595 long tons) at full load[14] and then 630 tonnes (620 long tons) standard and 660 tonnes (650 long tons) at full load.[15] The 20 mm gun that was initially mounted was removed, leaving only three 12.7 mm machine guns. Beginning in 2003, the remaining Dutch Alkmaar-class minehunters were upgraded with improved electronics, including Atlas Elektronik INCMS combat data system, Thales 2022 Mk III hull-mounted sonar, Atlas Seafox Mine Identification, and Disposal System, and a Double Eagle Mk III Mod 1 ROV.[13][15]

The minehunters were constructed at the Van der Giessen-de-Noord yard in Amsterdam, a specially constructed site completed in 1978. Middelburg and Hellevoetsluis were optioned by Egypt, but due to financial issues, were instead completed for the Royal Netherlands Navy.[14] Two ships of a modified design were built for the Indonesian Navy which led to the delay of Vlaardingen and Willemstad's construction.[15]

In 2000, three ships (Alkmaar, Delfzijl and Dordrecht) were withdrawn from service, followed by two more (Harlingen and Scheveningen) in 2003. All five were sold to Latvia with handovers beginning in 2007.[16] Four more ships, (Haarlem, Maassluis, Middelburg and Hellevoetsluis) were decommissioned in 2011 following a series of deep budget cuts to the navy.[17] Two of them (Maassluis and Hellevoetsluis) were sold to Bulgaria in 2019.[18] In 2021 it was indicated that a further two ships would be sold to Pakistan.[19]

All ship Pakistan getting is roughly 35 years old

Old but we know how to spruce up the old birds, and we just doubled our mine hunting capability.

 

[iLION12345_1]

I don’t get why people are complaining about the purchase. Minesweepers and mine-layers aren’t that complicated, the navy has other proprieties…like the 40 or so other major things it’s buying. This was just a good opportunity to beef up the mine laying capability as well.

As mentioned by other members, Pakistan has ToT for these ships and the navy has been using them for years. They will simply buy the used ships for very cheap, refurbish and rebuild them to give them a new life and then use them for a decade or so more until they need to retire, by then more funds should be free as the other procurements will be coming to an end. And these ships Aren’t that bad either, some of the western navies are just retiring them now, some aren’t retiring them at all yet. Most are still in service.

PS: The Dutch ones barely have any use, they’ve only been using them for ammo transport, so they’re in great shape. They also got major upgrades in the early 2000s to boost their capability. Even the US navy still uses ships this old. This is a great purchase.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

If we want to maintain three main ports and one purpose built naval port than we need to have atleast eight minesweepers/mine hunters. We are short by three where we stand today. PQ is a dream for mining operation as it has a number of access channels to reach the port. It is relatively easy to bottle up this port.

 

[khanasifm]

There was a buy before this one as well and those mine hunter were converted to spares to support the three operational ones, not sure what the deal is this time

 

[TOPGUN]

Something better then nothing is what we should be thinking its high time for PN we should be proud and happy ... Mashallah.

 

[Basel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1413559724591747073

Why old mine hunters?? Why not new ones??

 

[Sayfullah]

three main ports and one purpose built naval port

We have 3 main ports????
I thought we only had Gwadar and Karachi port which one is the third? And which one is naval port? Ormara?

 

[iLION12345_1]

We have 3 main ports????
I thought we only had Gwadar and Karachi port which one is the third? And which one is naval port? Ormara?

Karachi has two major ports, Bin Qasim and Port of Karachi, the third is Gwadar.

 

[INS_Vikrant]

can be done same to other side

India has a vast coastline and huge number of ports where in case of mine threat vessels can easily be diverted to another, while Pakistan only has 3 major ports

 

[crankthatskunk]

The Navy is kicking ***.

About time.
Pakistan should dispel Indian's myth that they would be able to blockade Pakistan's maritime lines.
Pakistan should have striking capabilities against all Indian platforms, including aircraft carrier and submarines.

 

[ali_raza]

India has a vast coastline and huge number of ports where in case of mine threat vessels can easily be diverted to another, while Pakistan only has 3 major ports

makes it much more easy to focus resources on single or small number of points
distance eat the resources