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TAIPEI - The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has not seen serious air combat since the 1965 and 1971 wars with India, but the ability to defeat a massive Indian assault on its air defenses early in a war remains its primary mission.

In 1965, Pakistan successfully trumped India in air combat, but it was ill-prepared for the 1971 conflict in which India dominated the skies. Fears of losing another war, much less a nuclear war, are unthinkable, and the PAF is modernizing its air interdiction, air surveillance and reconnaissance, command and control, and honing its air delivery skills for nuclear weapons.
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Air interdiction is the PAF's primary mission, but it has not ignored retaliatory strike missions, said Haris Khan of the Pakdef Military Consortium. The PAF has expanded modernization efforts to include "nuclear weapons delivery, support of ground operations, fleet protection/maritime strike, and search and rescue are secondary," he said.

The PAF believes the Indian Air Force will launch a massive assault on Pakistan's air defense and command-and-control hubs during the first wave of a war, said A.B. Mahapatra, director of the New Delhi-based Centre for Asian Strategic Studies - India.

The Indian Air Force's primary mission is to neutralize Pakistan's nuclear option, he said.

"Thus, PAF is enhancing its air combat profile to encounter such future challenges," Mahapatra said.

The PAF's interdiction efforts include new and refurbished Lockheed Martin F-16s, now on order, and JF-17 Thunder fighters, built by Pakistan with Chinese assistance, now being manufactured.

In June 2006, the PAF ordered 18 F-16 C/D Block 52M fighters along with an option to procure another 18. A midlife upgrade will augment its existing fleet of 40 F-16 A/B Block 15s, along with buying 20 more F-16 A/B models via the Excessive Defense Articles program.

The F-16s will not be outfitted with nuclear weapons, but question marks remain for the JF-17. Known as the Chengdu J-10 Vigorous Dragon, the JF-17 will replace about 450 aging Nanchang A-5C Fantans, Dassault Mirage III/Vs and Chengdu F-7P Skybolts in the air-to-air combat and ground-support roles.

"The replacement will not be matched by an exact number, but initial reports indicate between 250 and 300 aircraft will be purchased by PAF," Khan said.

Khan said the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex is conducting flight evaluations of prototype aircraft "fitted with the Chinese-built NRIET KLJ-10 radar" and "Chinese-designed SD-10/PL-12 active-homing medium-range air-to-air missile."

The first 50 JF-17s will be outfitted with Chinese avionics, radar and missiles. But under an agreement with France in February, newer JF-17s will be outfitted with MBDA Mica air-to-air missiles and Thales RC 400 multimission radars.

The Russian-built RD-93 turbofan engine outfitting the JF-17 will have to be replaced due to pressure from India on Russia. Khan said the Chinese-built WS-13 Taishan engine is the most likely replacement.

There are unconfirmed reports, Khan said, that the PAF has ordered four aerial refueling tankers, possibly the Ukrainian-built Il-76.

Tentative UAV Plans

PAF also is improving its surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities.

"Pakistan uses UAVs for surveillance and is keen to augment the reconnaissance capabilities to a new height," with plans to procure up to 60 UAVs by 2010, Mahapatra said.

The Army has ordered the Luna short-range UAV from Germany and the Italian-built Galileo Falco UAV.

"An agreement was also signed in July of 2006 between the PAF and Turkey to jointly manufacture a UAV, which will meet the requirements of both air forces. The PAF UAV program is still in its adolescent stage, but they acknowledge the significance of the program for its future war plans," Khan said.

In April, the first of five Saab 2000 turboprop aircraft equipped with the Saab-Ericsson Erieye Airborne Early Warning & Command (AEW&C) system was rolled out during a ceremony in Sweden. Delivery to Pakistan is expected in mid-2009. Khan said there are discussions with China to co-develop an AEW&C aircraft designated as ZDK03 modeled on the Shaanxi Y-8F-400.

"PAF has mapped a very detailed and comprehensive plan for an early warning system to cover Pakistan's airspace with both airborne platforms and a ground-based radar network," he said.

Pakistan will integrate this plan with ground-based radar, including the U.S.-supplied AN/TPS-77 and Chinese-supplied JYL-1, JL3D-90A and JY-11 D air surveillance radars.

Khan points to other efforts, including a 2006 test of the Czech Vera passive radar system and an order for a number of MBDA Aspide/Spada 2000 low- to medium-altitude air defense batteries.

"These missiles are supposed to replace Thales Defence Systems Crotale. PAF is actively looking to purchase a high-altitude missile air defense system," with the Chinese-built FT-2000 as the front-runner, Khan said.

In the 1965 and 1971 wars with India, Pakistan successfully attacked ground targets, including high-value targets, within 200 miles of Pakistan's border.

Khan said in any future conflict with India, "I believe PAF will employ similar tactics," but with more intensity on high-value targets.

"PAF would, in the first instance, be tasked with countering India's planned advance into Pakistani territory by seeking to prevent the Indian Air Force from achieving local tactical air superiority," he said. "At the same time, it would be required to strike surface-to-surface missile launchers, if these can be identified. It would also be called upon to provide air cover for the strike corps in their limited advance to occupy Indian territory."
 
Dude Mark my Words " PAF will not Receive 18 F-16 C/D Block 52 ". If obama is selected President then matters will be even Worse for Pakistan.

Indian Agencies have succeeded In convincing the USA Govt through Israeli Lobby That these F-16 will not be used by Pakistan in War on terror but against India or American interests and After the Indian-American Nuke deal India has convinced USA not to sell weapons to Pakistan but to India and many Companies like Lockheed Martin and Boeing have offered their Products to India.

It was a nice article, Nice effort mann and what about your graphic works ?
 
The F-16s will not be outfitted with nuclear weapons, but question marks remain for the JF-17. Known as the Chengdu J-10 Vigorous Dragon, the JF-17 will replace about 450 aging Nanchang A-5C Fantans, Dassault Mirage III/Vs and Chengdu F-7P Skybolts in the air-to-air combat and ground-support roles.

"The replacement will not be matched by an exact number, but initial reports indicate between 250 and 300 aircraft will be purchased by PAF," Khan said.

Khan said the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex is conducting flight evaluations of prototype aircraft "fitted with the Chinese-built NRIET KLJ-10 radar" and "Chinese-designed SD-10/PL-12 active-homing medium-range air-to-air missile."

Good article albeit with some mistakes. JF-17 has nothing to do with J-10 Vigorous Dragon. Although PAF plans on acquiring both types.

Also the Radar spec'd out for the JF-17 is KLJ-7 and not KLJ-10 last I checked.
 
i think credit should go to mark sein for providing the link if i am not wrong but as blain2 indicated with some errors! - nothing really new!
 
Dear Blain, I have read in most places that radar is KLJ10!
Even on JF-17.com : Your Best Resource for JF-17/FC-1 it is KLJ-10! you can have a quick look in avionics tab.
It said to be a better radar than KLJ-7.


French weapons for JF-17s

LAHORE: The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) may operate a mixed fleet of JF-17 fighter aircraft with some using Chinese radars and missiles and others operating French radars and air-to-air missiles, according to senior Pakistani officials, reported Jane's website Thursday.

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) is currently considering an offer from France's defence procurement agency (Délegation Générale pour l'Armement - DGA) to supply Thales RC 400 radars and MBDA MICA air-to-air missiles for integration onto the JF-17 fighter, which is being produced co-operatively with China's Chengdu Aircraft Industries Group.

The programme's managers told Jane's that they were quite serious about integrating this European equipment onto the JF-17 and that the offer to purchase this equipment is also quite serious. Currently the PAC and the PAF are conducting flight evaluations of prototype aircraft fitted with the Chinese-built NRIET KLJ-10 radar and the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation /China Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute SD-10/PL-12 active-homing medium-range air-to-air missile.
 
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Dear Blain, I have read in most places that radar is KLJ10!
Even on JF-17.com : Your Best Resource for JF-17/FC-1 it is KLJ-10! you can have a quick look in avionics tab.
It said to be a better radar than KLJ-7.


French weapons for JF-17s

LAHORE: The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) may operate a mixed fleet of JF-17 fighter aircraft with some using Chinese radars and missiles and others operating French radars and air-to-air missiles, according to senior Pakistani officials, reported Jane's website Thursday.

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) is currently considering an offer from France's defence procurement agency (Délegation Générale pour l'Armement - DGA) to supply Thales RC 400 radars and MBDA MICA air-to-air missiles for integration onto the JF-17 fighter, which is being produced co-operatively with China's Chengdu Aircraft Industries Group.

The programme's managers told Jane's that they were quite serious about integrating this European equipment onto the JF-17 and that the offer to purchase this equipment is also quite serious. Currently the PAC and the PAF are conducting flight evaluations of prototype aircraft fitted with the Chinese-built NRIET KLJ-10 radar and the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation /China Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute SD-10/PL-12 active-homing medium-range air-to-air missile.

no report in janes defence weekly?
 
Dude Mark my Words " PAF will not Receive 18 F-16 C/D Block 52 ". If obama is selected President then matters will be even Worse for Pakistan.

Indian Agencies have succeeded In convincing the USA Govt through Israeli Lobby That these F-16 will not be used by Pakistan in War on terror but against India or American interests and After the Indian-American Nuke deal India has convinced USA not to sell weapons to Pakistan but to India and many Companies like Lockheed Martin and Boeing have offered their Products to India.

It was a nice article, Nice effort mann and what about your graphic works ?

look guys.. the picture is not so clear yet if US will or not sell F-16s to Pakistan. no matter who comes in office their wont be any big change in US policy on this matter. the US will do its best to keep our top military brass happy though its another matter of what kind of equipment they give. blocking F-16s to pakistan will mean alot to PAK military, no matter what you guys think how cra-p the F-16 is but the reality is different for the PAF, the AMRAAM and 10-15 million dollars MLU is indeed mouth watering for PAF.
anyways.. blocking F-16s will surly piss our top military brass.. the high command will have a rethink of pakistan's WOT role in helping US. quite possibly someone will step up and we might have a new revolution and this time the awam and the army will be in same side and eventually we may witness another USSR collapse. but i am also afraid to say this move could hurt pakistan really really badly.
in any case both will do good.
 
Dear Blain, I have read in most places that radar is KLJ10!
Even on JF-17.com : Your Best Resource for JF-17/FC-1 it is KLJ-10! you can have a quick look in avionics tab.
It said to be a better radar than KLJ-7.


French weapons for JF-17s

LAHORE: The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) may operate a mixed fleet of JF-17 fighter aircraft with some using Chinese radars and missiles and others operating French radars and air-to-air missiles, according to senior Pakistani officials, reported Jane's website Thursday.

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) is currently considering an offer from France's defence procurement agency (Délegation Générale pour l'Armement - DGA) to supply Thales RC 400 radars and MBDA MICA air-to-air missiles for integration onto the JF-17 fighter, which is being produced co-operatively with China's Chengdu Aircraft Industries Group.

The programme's managers told Jane's that they were quite serious about integrating this European equipment onto the JF-17 and that the offer to purchase this equipment is also quite serious. Currently the PAC and the PAF are conducting flight evaluations of prototype aircraft fitted with the Chinese-built NRIET KLJ-10 radar and the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation /China Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute SD-10/PL-12 active-homing medium-range air-to-air missile.

Bat,

I suspect there is some confusion. The radar is KLJ-7 for as long as I have followed the JF-17 program. I suspect some articles have mixed up KLJ-7 with SD-10 as this is the key capability touted for the radar that it can home SD-10 BVR AAM. Subsequently people have used KLJ-8 and 10. I could be wrong but I think the radar on the JF_17 is KLJ-7.
 
Bat,

I suspect there is some confusion. The radar is KLJ-7 for as long as I have followed the JF-17 program. I suspect some articles have mixed up KLJ-7 with SD-10 as this is the key capability touted for the radar that it can home SD-10 BVR AAM. Subsequently people have used KLJ-8 and 10. I could be wrong but I think the radar on the JF_17 is KLJ-7.

There was definately KLJ-7 announced in early articles but than it was KLJ-10 with some explanation that KLJ_10 beat Italian radar to win the JF-17 contract.
By reading articles on internet I'm sure it is not a confusion with SD-10 there does exist a radar named KLJ-10. though there is very little known about its specifications.
 
JUST! wanted to focus on , our militry planing & our militry planners!

why is that we, keep planing indian massive air attack only! why cant we see NATO, USAF,INDIA joint strategic air raid on pakistan?

why dont !we are not being, ready for allied joint strike, to take out our nuclear assests?
F-16 , were became a joke in pakistan, every thn & now, why should USA , would like to give us more F-16's. why?
why, cant we open our eyes from the DREAMS OF f-16's , when we are not on the list of strategic US partners!:tsk::disagree:
 
JUST! wanted to focus on , our militry planing & our militry planners!

why is that we, keep planing indian massive air attack only! why cant we see NATO, USAF,INDIA joint strategic air raid on pakistan?

why dont !we are not being, ready for allied joint strike, to take out our nuclear assests?
F-16 , were became a joke in pakistan, every thn & now, why should USA , would like to give us more F-16's. why?
why, cant we open our eyes from the DREAMS OF f-16's , when we are not on the list of strategic US partners!:tsk::disagree:

F-16s F-16s F-16s..:smitten:

dude people are just taking their anti-US frustration out of poor F-16s. they will still be one of the best fighters around specially in PAF hands. "not being patriotic here". US will try its best to keep our top military brass happy but still restrict our defense capabilities though it does not necessarily means through bugs and down graded stuff. in case F-16 are never delivered it will only make their matters worst. the military will once in for all lose all its trust on US and eventually take advantage of US collapse "which is coming" and close its doors to US. and oh.. no one will trust US for military equipments.
what i see is that as soon as all US origin weapons are delivered to pakistan then the military will say :wave: to :usflag: .. it will not happen over night. but i think the transition has already been started.
 
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the military will once in for all lose all its trust on US and eventually take advantage of US collapse "which is coming" and close its doors to US.


what i see is that as soon as all US origin weapons are delivered to pakistan then the military will say :wave: to :usflag: .. it will not happen over night.

No, this cannot be happening, you can't be serious...

Don't you love us anymore?. :cry: :P
 
With every JF17 and Fc20 entering PAF the US influence will decrease. In the end they might have a good plane but I doubt that the others are not good enough. And having no boycottable planes is a gift. Even if it is a short war. I rather have JF17_FC20 up in the air then a plane the opponent knows as good as we do.
 

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