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I wasn't optimistic with the dialogue process at the start,instead i was opposed to it.All i'm saying that when a procedure is being followed,it much reach to a certain stage to say if it was successful or not.It was the last ditch effort by the GoP to see if things can turn out to be positive and a bigger target could be changed into a smaller objective.They (the GoP) was sincere in their efforts to some extent because with out a fight they would have got a lot of them alive,which would have given us the opportunity to expose the remaining links of the network.That could have helped us in demolishing and demoralizing them for good.And our losses would have been minimum.
Yes, this is the tone of this entire thread. I just don't believe you'd get anyone. They'd send suicide bombers to negotiation.
The region that the TTP militia occupies,has innocent civilians living alongside them.So, my friend when you fight a war it's not your terrain that you do plan to take over & care about the innocent civilians & infrastructure.It has been a foreign land all the time in the WOT for you guys.The fighting dynamics change upside down just by considering such a situation.
The irony is those lads they recruit for their suicide missions are usually in the range of 13-15 years of age........ teenagers they are (sometimes even younger).You tell me how much sense and sanity can you expect from an individual of that age,who woke up one day to realize that his loved ones were caught in the flames of a Hellfire.And that they were not Talibans or terrorists.That revenge pushes him against us.Unfortunately, it's a loss of a generation not that of a few individuals.No government can take such huge risk.It'll be better if we help them diffuse their bombs than make them to blow it on our face.
Proxies.... Not even a question that TTP is a proxies of ours.They may be the proxies of somebody else,not ours.The scumbags who want to tear my country apart,declare our land as a Federation of Taliban.Who constitutes of majority of foreigner with local recruits(the ones which i've mentioned above) can be our men? ...I very seriously doubt it.Your proxy won't ask you to scrap your constitution.They don't not except the our existence from day one.They have a different agenda.Hence my reasoning to not indulge give them any chance to flourish.Your proxy will never declare a war on you...hence, you'll never need to fight against them.
So, let's not confuse it with a freedom struggle on a disputed land and our efforts to support it by hook or by crook.
Those 13-15 year old lads get their "knowledge" somewhere. It should not be too difficult for a state run institution to find out where this new wisdom is being taught and when you know of the place you can get access to a wider grid of people.
I find it hard to believe an intelligence agency with human operatives that are supposedly very good and has access to all the data in the country (i suppose) has this much problems with illiterates running around with AK's.
Especially after this same institution already has ample experience in setting up these type of operations, namely in Afghanistan to which i was refering earlier with the hedging bets comment (I meant it in a more general way) to which you replied with the second half of the above quote, TTP-proxy part.
Power projection & expeditionary warfare never works in this region.As it is not the only solution.Same happened with the Russians when they left.But it doesn't mean that they can't be diffused and defeated.
Did the projection of power helped the US to finish all of the Talibans out of the Afghanistan and send them to hell & after 2014 will they not be a threat for you guys and the afghan government?
Both these attempts were not like they were supposed to be. US with their nation building crap and gloves approach and as for the USSR, you need to know context, by 1989 the debt and unsustainability already caught up and it was only a matter of time.
I read on some forum that after Soviets left the puppet government lasted 3 years after them, while the Soviets were financing it, but fell apart just 3 months after they couldn't finance it any longer.
This is why i said it wasn't that helpful for us.It will now get as unstable as it can get.
I'm sorry to hear that, i hope everyone stays safe, but with all due respect it's not stable as is. And the root of all of this is the fact Pakistan is besides Somalia probably the only country which can't send it's army and police to 100% of the country. And what do you know, Somalia has a similar insurgency problem going on as you guys.