Pakistan Shelling on Kunar Province Resumes

[Cyberian]

Pakistan Shelling on Kunar Province Resumes
Sunday May 12, 2013

Pakistan's military on Saturday resumed shelling on eastern Kunar province, local officials said.

Written by Saleha Soadat

Two people including two children were injured and four houses were damaged in cross-border Pakistani shelling in the districts of eastern Kunar province Sunday afternoon, local officials said.

Kunar provincial governor Fazlullah Wahidi told TOLOnews in a phone call that more than 170 rockets were launched by Pakistani military on Shigal and Dangam districts of Kunar province in the past 24 hours.

The provincial governor said that these rockets were shelled over eastern parts of Afghanistan by Pakistani military and that Afghan forces do not have heavy weapons to respond to Pakistani military, he added.

"In past 24 hours 170 rockets lunched as a result four people including two children were wounded and four other houses were damaged. The rockets were coming from far away and we are not able to respond," Wahidi said.

Meanwhile, a number of parliamentarians representing Kunar province said that if the government does not find a fundamental solution to the issue, people will rise against Pakistan.

These parliament members said that by shelling on eastern parts of Afghanistan, Pakistan is trying to hand over these areas to Taliban.

"The rockets that are coming from Pakistan, are killing our people. So far in these areas more than 53 people have been wounded and more than 16 others killed, and lots of houses and mosques have been damaged," MP Ghulam Sakhi Mashwani told TOLOnews.

It comes after cross border shelling by Pakistani military on eastern Kunar province continued over the past two years as a result of which dozens of civilians have been killed or wounded and also lots of families were forced to leave their houses. The Afghan government has even complained to the United Nations Security Council, but it seems that so far these complaints have not changed anything.

Pakistan Shelling on Kunar Province Resumes

 

[Cyberian]

dude how can this be Their are american army Deployment in kunar Province

The Americans know when to look the other way.

 

[A.Rafay]

Dont stop this shelling! let it continue.

 

[BATMAN]

make this border a hell line to cross!

 

[Liquidmetal]

no no no. Pakistan must desist from shelling a brother muslim country, we must act with restraint and maturity, Afghanistan is an immature nation in that it is trying to recover from over 35 years of war and hell. Hence we must help them realise that we are their friends and brothers and not enemies. Shelling will only make things worse and we will not achieve any of our objectives and are handing them into the arms of India and Iran.

 

[MilSpec]

This is an ineresting strategic development, pakistan is digging it's own grave by alienating afghans. Karzai government can keep driving it's agenda by coercing pakistan into a fight, this will nothing but unite afghans against pakistan which is currently presenting itself as a bigger stronger threat. This will lead to uniting afghans against pakistan leading to stonger centralized afghan government. Karzai needs to start playing punjabi army attacking afghan card pretty soon.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

This is an ineresting strategic development, pakistan is digging it's own grave by alienating afghans. Karzai government can keep driving it's agenda by coercing pakistan into a fight, this will nothing but unite afghans against pakistan which is currently presenting itself as a bigger stronger threat. This will lead to uniting afghans against pakistan leading to stonger centralized afghan government. Karzai needs to start playing punjabi army attacking afghan card pretty soon.

Yeah right man... arent they already chanting death to Pakistan bs? like a religious mantra? Punjabi army... lol... they have been ranting abt it since decades.... also why would PA shell these areas to hand over the areas to taliban when US army is deployed there? sounds like usual horse shyt!

 

[pakdefender]

This is an ineresting strategic development, pakistan is digging it's own grave by alienating afghans. Karzai government can keep driving it's agenda by coercing pakistan into a fight, this will nothing but unite afghans against pakistan which is currently presenting itself as a bigger stronger threat. This will lead to uniting afghans against pakistan leading to stonger centralized afghan government. Karzai needs to start playing punjabi army attacking afghan card pretty soon.

pakistan can use the 'karzai supporting the occupation of afghanistan by foreign force' card , its a no win situation for india and karzai

the governor of kunar, Fazlullah Wahidi , has declared 'jihad' against Pakistan and he is sheltering the defeated element of swat taliban , therefore we are going to smoke them out.

just in case you indians missed this :

Blast kills top Afghan intel. official

Kunrar and Nuristan is where the afghan government has given shelter to swat taliban and we are going target them there

 

[MilSpec]

Yeah right man... arent they already chanting death to Pakistan bs? like a religious mantra? Punjabi army... lol... they have been ranting abt it since decades.... also why would PA shell these areas to hand over the areas to taliban when US army is deployed there? sounds like usual horse shyt!

Well, as in case of Afghanistan, where there is infighting among different tribes, races etc, demonizing pakistan will provide a bigger stronger enemy which will unite the afghans against Pakistan. People across the durand line have similar culture and traditions, they have intermarried among the tribes making that border area to have common links, but lets not forget similar situation of common culture stuff existed (offcourse on a smaller amount) in indo-pak border areas too but was very easily replaced by nationalism. If the Karzai government can play it's card right, and coerce pakistan into fighting back at durrand line, there will be sympathy for afghan forces across the board and then the same version of religion which was used to destroy afghanistan can be used to unite against pakistan.

This might be the golden oppurtunity karzai has been waiting for, have a disciplined officer corp in military wing, so that the top level is not radicalized. Create offensive against pakistani army, start maneuvering afghan taliban to move in the lines of TTP as cannon fodder. Pak army if has to fight afghan taliban at any instance, they will demolish taliban in all out fights.

It could result in better integration of afghans, especially the new generation, effectively dismantling afghan taliban threat, ensuring propping up of existential threat from pakistan which will lead to heavily centralized form of government (similar to pakistan viz-aviz India), Ensuring continued support from India.


From pakistani perspective, they need to do the exact opposite, they need to get back in talks with taliban and keep supporting those idiots to topple the government in kabul. Also they need taliban to engage afghan troops in the durand line to do the dirty work for pakistan and keep playing the non state actor game. ISI's role is crucial to afghan situation.

pakistan can use the 'karzai supporting the occupation of afghanistan by foreign force' card , its a no win situation for india and karzai

the governor of kunar, Fazlullah Wahidi , has declared 'jihad' against Pakistan and he is sheltering the defeated element of swat taliban , therefore we are going to smoke them out.

just in case you indians missed this :

Blast kills top Afghan intel. official

Kunrar and Nuristan is where the afghan government has given shelter to swat taliban and we are going target them there

The problem is you cant do that as your national policy, because you are still alligne to US.... so it's kinda a double whammy for you.... For India it's a non issue, All wee need to do is keep pumping money without ever getting our feet on the ground.

 

[pakdefender]

Well, as in case of Afghanistan, where there is infighting among different tribes, races etc, demonizing pakistan will provide a bigger stronger enemy which will unite the afghans against Pakistan. People across the durand line have similar culture and traditions, they have intermarried among the tribes making that border area to have common links, but lets not forget similar situation of common culture stuff existed (offcourse on a smaller amount) in indo-pak border areas too but was very easily replaced by nationalism. If the Karzai government can play it's card right, and coerce pakistan into fighting back at durrand line, there will be sympathy for afghan forces across the board and then the same version of religion which was used to destroy afghanistan can be used to unite against pakistan.

This might be the golden oppurtunity karzai has been waiting for, have a disciplined officer corp in military wing, so that the top level is not radicalized. Create offensive against pakistani army, start maneuvering afghan taliban to move in the lines of TTP as cannon fodder. Pak army if has to fight afghan taliban at any instance, they will demolish taliban in all out fights.

It could result in better integration of afghans, especially the new generation, effectively dismantling afghan taliban threat, ensuring propping up of existential threat from pakistan which will lead to heavily centralized form of government (similar to pakistan viz-aviz India), Ensuring continued support from India.


From pakistani perspective, they need to do the exact opposite, they need to get back in talks with taliban and keep supporting those idiots to topple the government in kabul. Also they need taliban to engage afghan troops in the durand line to do the dirty work for pakistan and keep playing the non state actor game. ISI's role is crucial to afghan situation.

all that Pakistan has to do to vaporize the 'unity' that you talk about here between "afghans" , is to draw the Afghan National Army made up of all ethnicities of afghanistan like Hazara , Tajik , Uzbek and Pashtun , you know united and all into the Federally Adminstered Tribal Areas

In fact what is Karzia waiting for ? He should order the Afghan National Army to move into FATA right now , I mean these are areas that he claims to be afghan territory right ? and all afghan are united against Pakistan so he should go for it , his predecessor daud khan did the same

 

[MilSpec]

all that Pakistan has to do to vaporize the 'unity' that you talk about here between "afghans" , is to draw the Afghan National Army made up of all ethnicities of afghanistan like Hazara , Tajik , Uzbek and Pashtun , you know united and all into the Federally Adminstered Tribal Areas

I couldn't understand your statement at all.

so to "vaporize" unity-
shelling Afghanistan is the right way to go??? I'm stumped,

 

[pakdefender]

I couldn't understand your statement at all.

so to "vaporize" unity-
shelling Afghanistan is the right way to go??? I'm stumped,

you are stumpped since you see your foolish investments in afghanistan faltering

you are suggesting that karzai should use the shelling as a means to unite the afghans , Im saying that all it will take for Pakistan to break up this unity , if it ever gets formed , is to let the Afghan National Army walk into FATA and let the ANA teach the people of FATA how to speak Dari

 

[MilSpec]

you are stumpped since you see you foolish investments in afghanistan faltering

you are suggesting that karzai should use the shelling as a means to unite the afghans , Im saying that all it will take for Pakistan to break up this unity , if it ever gets formed , is to let the Afghan National Army walk into FATA and teach the people of FATA how to speak Dari

Unfortunately for you, I dont really care about investment in afganistan, I am merely a spectator here.
Please explain tome why would Afghan army walk into fata? you do realise your military strength is almost 20times of afghan forces. All I am saying is pakistan keeps up it's hostilities against afganistan, it will provide a bigger enemy to afghans, and nothing unites masses like external existential threat...... Provided if karzai government plays it's cards right.

P.S. I was stumped due to your sentence formation which barely makes any sense.

 

[pakdefender]

Unfortunately for you, I dont really care about investment in afganistan, I am merely a spectator here.
Please explain tome why would Afghan army walk into fata? you do realise your military strength is almost 20times of afghan forces. All I am saying is pakistan keeps up it's hostilities against afganistan, it will provide a bigger enemy to afghans, and nothing unites masses like external existential threat...... Provided if karzai government plays it's cards right.

P.S. I was stumped due to your sentence formation which barely makes any sense.

so long as Afghanistan gives shelter to Pakistan’s enemies the shelling will continue , Karzai is most welcomed to try whatever tricks he want .. A united or divided Afghanistan is inconsequential in this regard

 

[Cyberian]

@sandy_3126, I think Pakistani Army's strategy is to draw the ill-equipped Afghan Army to the border and keep them there while Taliban have a free run all over Afghanistan. The gradual civil war in Afghanistan in the next couple of years should be enough for the Americans to justify this as no longer their war.

So far, the American silence on Pakistani attacks baffles me which leads me to believe Americans are looking at a post-Karzai government where Americans are no longer obliged to spend tens of billions in Afghanistan.

Do you remember what happened to General Zia-ul-Haq once Americans no longer required his services?

Just my assumptions. Allahu Alam.