Pakistan reaped harvest of blood post-9/11

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Pakistan reaped harvest of blood post-9/11
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Published: January 7, 2018
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ISLAMABAD: The National Counter Terrorism Authority (Nacta) has stated that the number of terrorist attacks have declined by 13 per cent in the country in 2017 as compared to 2016.

According to a report issued by the Nacta, the number of such incidents decreased by 104 to 681 cases in 2017.

Despite witnessing a steady decline in the number of such attacks, an average of 1.7 people a day (three persons in two days) were killed in Pakistan in 2017, stated the report.













It has been four years since Pakistan lost one of its bravest sons to terrorism

Pakistan witnessed a total of 18,365 terrorism activities since 2001 when Pakistan joined the war against terrorism after 9/11, it added.

The report made a review of the implementation status of National Action Plan (NAP) from 2014 to 2017 in which figures of terrorist incidents in the country for the past 17 years have also been included.

According to the data released by the authority, 2010 proved to be the worst year in terms of terror attacks as the country suffered through a total of 2,061 terrorist incidents.

The NAP had a visible impact on these terrorist activities as in 2014, a total of 1,861 cases of terrorism were reported in Pakistan but since then the country has been witnessing a steady drop in the number of such cases. In 2015, 1,139 cases of terrorism occurred in Pakistan while this number dipped further in 2016 to a total of 785 cases.

Interestingly, Pakistan had been registering a massive rise in terror activities since joining the global fight against terrorism following 9/11.

In 2002, there were only 49 such cases which rose to 50 in 2003. The year 2004 witnessed 143 activities of terrorism, 2005 posted 240 incidents, but the next year – 2006 – saw a massive surge in attacks with 1,456 incidents.

In 2007, this tally increased to 1,820 terror incidents while 2008 witnessed a slight decline with 1,575 cases. However, the next year, 2009 witnessed 1,938 such cases, 2010 recorded 2,061 cases, 2011 witnessed 1,680 terror activities, 2012 recorded 1,316 terror activities, and 2013 again witnessed a surge in these activities with 1,571 cases.

Sectarian terrorism

According to the Nacta review, sectarian terrorism also recorded a decline since 2014. In 2014, 176 cases of sectarian terrorism were reported in the country which tapered off to 79 in 2015. Likewise, the year 2016 witnessed 37 such cases while this figure further dropped to only 23 cases in 2017. Since 2011 to 2017 a total of 700 cases of sectarian terrorism were reported in Pakistan.

Zero tolerance

The review also discussed ‘zero tolerance for militancy in Punjab’ under NAP. It revealed that a total of 3,384 intelligence based operations were conducted in Punjab. A total of 275 terrorists were killed in encounters with police and other law enforcement agencies while 1,238 terrorists were also arrested in the province.

The Nacta claims that there has been significant improvement on the ground with regard to Karachi operation which was launched in September 2013.

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According to it, 97 per cent decline was witnessed in the number of targeted killings in Karachi since the launch of the operation while 87 per cent decrease was noted in the murder rate in the city. Cases of kidnapping for ransom have gone down by 62 per cent, bank robberies decreased by 72 per cent, the business extortions came down by 84 per cent while cases of car theft also hit a 14-year low in 2015 in Karachi, maintained the report of the authority.

Combing operations

Under NAP, a total of 213,501 combing operations were conducted across the country. Of these, most were conducted in Punjab with a tally of 108,668. In the same period, a total of 306,072 persons were arrested of whom most were arrested from K-P with the figure of 189,508.

 

[somebozo]

This harvest was reaped due to own strategic failure of Pakistani state..namely..

1. Promotion of seminaries and madrasas headed by extremist. This had blessing of GHQ and ISI to raise future man power.
2. Strategic depth in Afghanistan which became strategic liability.
3. Lost decades of 90's, the country was litreally rotten to the core.
4. Corrupt politicians and generals, and lack of check and balance system to rein them.
5. Sham democracy and establishment role in keeping political power concentrated into the hands of choosen few. The entire civilian political leader ship of Pakistan was born out of GHQ and ISI sperm donation.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

This harvest was reaped due to own strategic failure of Pakistani state..namely..

1. Promotion of seminaries and madrasas headed by extremist. This had blessing of GHQ and ISI to raise future man power.
2. Strategic depth in Afghanistan which became strategic liability.
3. Lost decades of 90's, the country was litreally rotten to the core.
4. Corrupt politicians and generals, and lack of check and balance system to rein them.
5. Sham democracy and establishment role in keeping political power concentrated into the hands of choosen few. The entire civilian political leader ship of Pakistan was born out of GHQ and ISI sperm donation.

thanks for your contribution
point number 2 needs a little bit of deliberation as the reality is not so simplistic or black and white.
the reasons for the strategic depth taunt by Indians and Pakistani intellectuals has differing reasons.

Indians dont taunt Pakistani state because this strategy was faulty but because post 9/11 American invasion led to a regime change in Afghanistan that is explicitly and actively hostile towards Pakistan.

some "like minded" Pakistani (ex Pakistani ) intellectuals mock this approach on same reasons as Indians that haha it didnt work out the way Pakistani state planned. but the majority of liberal intellectuals do it due to the following

• lack of understanding and comprehension what it actually means
• because of hostility and hatred to wards Pakistani establishment (army & its security agencies)

and then they play with words to make it seem that this "blasphemy" is done entirely and only by Pakistani establishment and no other country in the world does that.

the simplistic explanation is that Pakistan installed religious fanatics inside Afghanistan so that it can use it against India and fall back into Afghanistan if India makes territorial gains in case of a conventional conflict.

with utmost respect this is not the case.
Pakistani establishment wants to have a Pakistan friendly regime inside Afghanistan at best as a neighbor so that it doesnt have to deploy forces like it has deployed along the eastern front and least is that it doesnt have a hostile regime. so Pakistani version of strategic depth (for the sake of argument) is something like regime in Iran and China which is friendly and cordial towards Pakistan (hold on people.. dont panic handful border incidents with Iran don't count in a larger context).

No empire, no super power can tell Afghans what to do and how to govern themselves let alone Pakistan. so Pakistani state at best has worked towards ensuring a safer Afghanistan border and prevent India from setting up terror shops to fan insurgencies and terrorism inside Balochistan and KPK.

 

[Big Tank]

thanks for your contribution
point number 2 needs a little bit of deliberation as the reality is not so simplistic or black and white.
the reasons for the strategic depth taunt by Indians and Pakistani intellectuals has differing reasons.

Indians dont taunt Pakistani state because this strategy was faulty but because post 9/11 American invasion led to a regime change in Afghanistan that is explicitly and actively hostile towards Pakistan.

some "like minded" Pakistani (ex Pakistani ) intellectuals mock this approach on same reasons as Indians that haha it didnt work out the way Pakistani state planned. but the majority of liberal intellectuals do it due to the following

• lack of understanding and comprehension what it actually means
• because of hostility and hatred to wards Pakistani establishment (army & its security agencies)

and then they play with words to make it seem that this "blasphemy" is done entirely and only by Pakistani establishment and no other country in the world does that.

the simplistic explanation is that Pakistan installed religious fanatics inside Afghanistan so that it can use it against India and fall back into Afghanistan if India makes territorial gains in case of a conventional conflict.

with utmost respect this is not the case.
Pakistani establishment wants to have a Pakistan friendly regime inside Afghanistan at best as a neighbor so that it doesnt have to deploy forces like it has deployed along the eastern front and least is that it doesnt have a hostile regime. so Pakistani version of strategic depth (for the sake of argument) is something like regime in Iran and China which is friendly and cordial towards Pakistan (hold on people.. dont panic handful border incidents with Iran don't count in a larger context).

No empire, no super power can tell Afghans what to do and how to govern themselves let alone Pakistan. so Pakistani state at best has worked towards ensuring a safer Afghanistan border and prevent India from setting up terror shops to fan insurgencies and terrorism inside Balochistan and KPK.

I agree with majority of your points but this is a fact that Politicians and GHQ farmed SSP, LeJ during the 90s for their own goals. I remember visiting GHQ and Lahore Cantt during the childhood and there were active mosques being operated by the Sipah e Sahaba hosted by Senior Military Officials who had nice relations with these Mullahs and were openly preaching hatred. Later these mosques were shut down around 2005. The Mullah-Military relation was at such level. Since Army is an organization based on different people but not an individual. It had many good and bad officers but what matters is the blind eye that was kept.

 

[somebozo]

By all means the concept of strategic depth can only work if Pakistan annexed Afghanistan which it did not and cannot. Therefore, thinking that an army can regroup in a sovergen land to fight back is nonsense..the whole idea of strategic depth was cooked up in our incompetent GHQ and sold to the nation..in the name of this depth, several generals made their pockets rich to immense depth..

Just like the general who convinced Benazir that Iraqi army would be able to defeat 2003 US invasion of Iraq..such is the level of competence..

thanks for your contribution
point number 2 needs a little bit of deliberation as the reality is not so simplistic or black and white.
the reasons for the strategic depth taunt by Indians and Pakistani intellectuals has differing reasons.

Indians dont taunt Pakistani state because this strategy was faulty but because post 9/11 American invasion led to a regime change in Afghanistan that is explicitly and actively hostile towards Pakistan.

some "like minded" Pakistani (ex Pakistani ) intellectuals mock this approach on same reasons as Indians that haha it didnt work out the way Pakistani state planned. but the majority of liberal intellectuals do it due to the following

• lack of understanding and comprehension what it actually means
• because of hostility and hatred to wards Pakistani establishment (army & its security agencies)

and then they play with words to make it seem that this "blasphemy" is done entirely and only by Pakistani establishment and no other country in the world does that.

the simplistic explanation is that Pakistan installed religious fanatics inside Afghanistan so that it can use it against India and fall back into Afghanistan if India makes territorial gains in case of a conventional conflict.

with utmost respect this is not the case.
Pakistani establishment wants to have a Pakistan friendly regime inside Afghanistan at best as a neighbor so that it doesnt have to deploy forces like it has deployed along the eastern front and least is that it doesnt have a hostile regime. so Pakistani version of strategic depth (for the sake of argument) is something like regime in Iran and China which is friendly and cordial towards Pakistan (hold on people.. dont panic handful border incidents with Iran don't count in a larger context).

No empire, no super power can tell Afghans what to do and how to govern themselves let alone Pakistan. so Pakistani state at best has worked towards ensuring a safer Afghanistan border and prevent India from setting up terror shops to fan insurgencies and terrorism inside Balochistan and KPK.

 

[Old School]

The real strategic depth for Pakistan is to become a true secular republic and cut ties with the Gulf fanatic cartels who want to use Pakistanis as mere mercenaries. This is the bitter truth. This way India can go to hell with their pseudo secular and semi feudal ‘desi republic’.

 

[TMA]

By all means the concept of strategic depth can only work if Pakistan annexed Afghanistan which it did not and cannot. Therefore, thinking that an army can regroup in a sovergen land to fight back is nonsense..the whole idea of strategic depth was cooked up in our incompetent GHQ and sold to the nation..in the name of this depth, several generals made their pockets rich to immense depth..

Just like the general who convinced Benazir that Iraqi army would be able to defeat 2003 US invasion of Iraq..such is the level of competence..

I thought Strategic depth meant having a friendly government in Kabul as opposed to the anti-Pakistani ones since 1947 to date (save the Afghan Taliban government)?

 

[MBT 3000]

The real strategic depth for Pakistan is to become a true secular republic and cut ties with the Gulf fanatic cartels who want to use Pakistanis as mere mercenaries. This is the bitter truth. This way India can go to hell with their pseudo secular and semi feudal ‘desi republic’.

Ha ha never happening

By all means the concept of strategic depth can only work if Pakistan annexed Afghanistan which it did not and cannot. Therefore, thinking that an army can regroup in a sovergen land to fight back is nonsense..the whole idea of strategic depth was cooked up in our incompetent GHQ and sold to the nation..in the name of this depth, several generals made their pockets rich to immense depth..

Just like the general who convinced Benazir that Iraqi army would be able to defeat 2003 US invasion of Iraq..such is the level of competence..

Listening to them Is better than listening to liberal sickulars and mentallectuals

 

[Solomon2]

Pakistan witnessed a total of 18,365 terrorism activities since 2001 when Pakistan joined the war against terrorism after 9/11, it added.

Yes, and Pakistan witnessed an even greater number of "terrorism activities" since the Romans conquered Greece over 2,000 years ago!

My point? Coincidence and association do not necessarily imply cause-and-effect. I've tried recounting some impartial factual military history of Pakistan's battle against terrorism in the "military history" section: the thread was deleted on the ground that it "glorified" the terrorists over Pakistan's military. Careful reading of online Pakistani newspaper articles has convinced me that the writers labor under similar restrictions.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Yes, and Pakistan witnessed an even greater number of "terrorism activities" since the Romans conquered Greece over 2,000 years ago!

My point? Coincidence and association do not necessarily imply cause-and-effect. I've tried recounting some impartial factual military history of Pakistan's battle against terrorism in the "military history" section: the thread was deleted on the ground that it "glorified" the terrorists over Pakistan's military. Careful reading of online Pakistani newspaper articles has convinced me that the writers labor under similar restrictions.

Who are you kidding? Terrorism has gone up and spread as a result of the post-9/11 situation in Afghanistan.
How exactly is that a coincidence, and not so damn obviously related?

 

[MultaniGuy]

We should never be part of this War on Terrorism anyways.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

the whole idea of strategic depth was cooked up in our incompetent GHQ and sold to the nation..i

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please tell me which maderchod general came up with this idea. I only hear it from you or Najam Sethi.
this allegation is so ludicrous that whoever thinks in the army should be butt fcked until death.
otherwise whoever makes this allegation or believe that should be made to make love with with a donkey till death

I agree with majority of your points but this is a fact that Politicians and GHQ farmed SSP, LeJ during the 90s for their own goals. I remember visiting GHQ and Lahore Cantt during the childhood and there were active mosques being operated by the Sipah e Sahaba hosted by Senior Military Officials who had nice relations with these Mullahs and were openly preaching hatred. Later these mosques were shut down around 2005. The Mullah-Military relation was at such level. Since Army is an organization based on different people but not an individual. It had many good and bad officers but what matters is the blind eye that was kept.

thats totally a different subject and there is no denying that Zia brought his brand of Islam and specially after Iranian revolution Saudis and Zia together made these sectarian organisations to counter the shia influence.
use of Mujahideen in Afghan war was a combined plan of Americans, Saudis and Pakistanis and religion did have its role but main rallying cry of resistance was Afghan defiance against the invaders religion was a welcome bonus.
but this has by no means anything to do with strategic depth as yapped by ill informed moronic buffoons. they make it sound as a blasphemy. Pakistan wanted a peaceful and friendly western front right from the start and it was able to have that for most of the early years this is why we were able to move our forces to eastern front after assurances from Afghan government that we didnt need to watch our backs in 65 and 71 wars. this is what our aim should be and thats the case and it is our right and duty to ensure that no morbid Pakistan hater in Afghan regime manages to stir trouble inside Pakistan and give India the chance to create east Pakistan kind of situation
if any self proclaimed liberal or army hater has problem with that then they better bend over and please themselves until satisfied I cant help them

 

[somebozo]

please tell me which maderchod general came up with this idea. I only hear it from you or Najam Sethi.
this allegation is so ludicrous that whoever thinks in the army should be butt fcked until death.
otherwise whoever makes this allegation or believe that should be made to make love with with a donkey till death

The idea emerged from Benazir govt for installing friendly govt in Afghanistan by covert support of taliban factions. The generals nodded yes to the plan..just because it did not come from GHQ does not mean military did not have a hand in it..

thats totally a different subject and there is no denying that Zia brought his brand of Islam and specially after Iranian revolution Saudis and Zia together made these sectarian organisations to counter the shia influence.
use of Mujahideen in Afghan war was a combined plan of Americans, Saudis and Pakistanis and religion did have its role but main rallying cry of resistance was Afghan defiance against the invaders religion was a welcome bonus.
but this has by no means anything to do with strategic depth as yapped by ill informed moronic buffoons.

Bhutto destroyed the progressive, industrialist and bankers of Pakistan..leaving a void to be filled with right wing extremism..so bhutto could justify its left wing extremism..when you have extremism on both wings..you get crushed in the middle..Zia did not fall from the sky..he was continuation of Bhutto..and he carried forward the Bhutto great game of Islamic socialism..its just a transformation from one phase to another..very much like how Al Qaida turned into Daesh, ISIL, ISIS and now only IS.

 

[Ocean]

please tell me which maderchod general came up with this idea. I only hear it from you or Najam Sethi.
this allegation is so ludicrous that whoever thinks in the army should be butt fcked until death.
otherwise whoever makes this allegation or believe that should be made to make love with with a donkey till death


thats totally a different subject and there is no denying that Zia brought his brand of Islam and specially after Iranian revolution Saudis and Zia together made these sectarian organisations to counter the shia influence.
use of Mujahideen in Afghan war was a combined plan of Americans, Saudis and Pakistanis and religion did have its role but main rallying cry of resistance was Afghan defiance against the invaders religion was a welcome bonus.
but this has by no means anything to do with strategic depth as yapped by ill informed moronic buffoons. they make it sound as a blasphemy. Pakistan wanted a peaceful and friendly western front right from the start and it was able to have that for most of the early years this is why we were able to move our forces to eastern front after assurances from Afghan government that we didnt need to watch our backs in 65 and 71 wars. this is what our aim should be and thats the case and it is our right and duty to ensure that no morbid Pakistan hater in Afghan regime manages to stir trouble inside Pakistan and give India the chance to create east Pakistan kind of situation
if any self proclaimed liberal or army hater has problem with that then they better bend over and please themselves until satisfied I cant help them

Ghq is blamed by anti army factions for partaking in afghan war for strategic depth. What strategic depth could come from war torn state back in 80s?

Its actually benazir who sometimes was blamed for bringing afghan talibs into gov in 90s to have a friendly next door gov to tap into central asian markets. Benazir and naseer ullah babbar are sometimes credited for that but that doesnot include army in it, they both were civvies. Plus these accusations on BB , i am not sure about their veracity.
Also its not same talibs who started attacking pakistan after american invasion. Not atleadt their lead tribal heads, As of bringing extemism in pakistan cause of afghan war then pakistans suffering cannot be solely blamed on zia ,a whole host of regimes led by usa who share the blame.

Plus after mushy, nawaz , zardaris mqm everyone used these terror groups here and there for their political mileages

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

All of you guys are lost in direction----.

Nations do things as it seems fit at a certain time---.

The issue is not of training or allowance----the issue is that when the moment came---Paklistanis were not trained to put pakistan first---and cut off the umbilical cord attached to the al qaeda in a timely manner---.

Pakistani generals and officers---specially the air force ones---needed to re-visit their oaths of allegiance---in the earlier years---which they did not---.

When the Oath of Allegiance comes first and foremost---then these alliance and islamic brotherhood and bombing our own means nothing---.

The nation was deceived by pakistani civilians and others during its hour of need---.