Pakistan ranked 7th, Turkey ranked 11th in latest GlobalFirePower rankings. Ukraine sees a massive rise.

[retaxis]

Please don't turn this into another "OOOH TURKIYE SUPERPOWER" thread...

A strong country doesn't need its people to constantly advertise it because everyone knows and agrees they are strong. However a weak country needs diehard fanboys like MMME to try and convince Turkey is relevant when it is the 5th most powerful country in the middle east.

1. Egypt
2. Iran
3. Saudi
4. Israel (no nukes in this scenario)
5. Turkey

MMME might seem like Beijingwalker on paper but there is one massive difference.
China is under psychological (propaganda), economical (sanctions) and cultural war imposed on them from the entire western world so Beijingwalker like some Chinese feel the need to counter the narrative and fight back in their own way.

Turkey is part of the strongest alliance in the world and is not being targeted by a coalition of any powers so there is no need for someone like MMME to act so defensive and pollute threads with Turkey superpower narrative which is laughable

 

[MMM-E]

However a weak country needs diehard fanboys like MMME to try and convince Turkey is relevant when it is the 5th most powerful country in the middle east.
1. Egypt
2. Iran
3. Saudi
4. Israel (no nukes in this scenario)
5. Turkey

even according to your GFP list

1 . Turkiye ( 11 )
2 . Egypt ( 14 )
3 . Iran ( 17 )
4 . Israel ( 18 )
5 . S.Arabia ( 22 )

and Turkiye has more military projects than Egypt+Iran+Israel+S.Arabia combined

They are our ex-vassals .. nothing else



REALITY

USA,China,UK,France,Russia,Japan,S.Korea,Turkiye,Italy rules military technologies in the World

Others are not in the same league

 

[Abid123]

So Pakistan armed forces are stronger the French and weaker then India?
Don’t know how true this is?

You do know that India's military is considerably more powerful conventionally than France right?

 

[Foinikas]

A strong country doesn't need its people to constantly advertise it because everyone knows and agrees they are strong. However a weak country needs diehard fanboys like MMME to try and convince Turkey is relevant when it is the 5th most powerful country in the middle east.

1. Egypt
2. Iran
3. Saudi
4. Israel (no nukes in this scenario)
5. Turkey

MMME might seem like Beijingwalker on paper but there is one massive difference.
China is under psychological (propaganda), economical (sanctions) and cultural war imposed on them from the entire western world so Beijingwalker like some Chinese feel the need to counter the narrative and fight back in their own way.

Turkey is part of the strongest alliance in the world and is not being targeted by a coalition of any powers so there is no need for someone like MMME to act so defensive and pollute threads with Turkey superpower narrative which is laughable

There's no comparison between China and Turkey. The problem is that this guy doesn't understand what he's even doing wrong. Spamming the same long lists in every thread and being absolute makes him look ridiculous. He never ever admits any possibility that the Turkish war machine can have a flaw.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey is part of the strongest alliance in the world and is not being targeted by a coalition of any powers so there is no need for someone like MMME to act so defensive and pollute threads with Turkey superpower narrative which is laughable

Israel , İran , Egypt ,S.Arabia are not being targeted by a coalition of any powers


since 2013 , there are asymmetric - economic war between Turkiye and USA,France , their proxies FETO , PKK/YPG , ISIS , Greece , Armenia , Egypt-UAE , HAFTAR in Syria,Libya,Karabakh and in the Eastern Mediterranean

Also Turkiye beat Russia-İran backed SAA+IRGC+Hezbolah in Idlib/Syria

Turkish economy lost over $500 billion since 2013
and USA,France,Germany use arms embargo on Turkiye since 2013


still Turkiye won everywhere
and Turkish Forces are in Cyprus,Iraq,Syria,Azerbaijan,Libya,Qatar,Somalia and in the Eastern Mediterranean now

 

[Abid123]

These lists are just laughable. They compare numbers and ignore differences in quality. For example,if a country has 1000 T-55s and another has 300 Abrams,they will rank the first one way better than the second.

Did you actually do any research? They don't actually ignore differences in quality. Please explain why North Korea does not make even top 30? It has massive quantity of basically everything.

 

[MMM-E]

NAVY


Pakistan
8 Frigates
2 Corvettes
5 Submarines ( 3 AGOSTO-90B and 2 AGOSTO-70 )

GFP says Pakistan has 6 Frigates , 2 Destroyers , 9 Submarines
( Pakistan has 3 COSMOS class Submarines -- 110 tons ) which are not real Submarines

and Pakistan Navy doesnt have Destroyer ...



Turkiye
16 Frigates
4 Corvettes
12 Submarines

New weapons to enter service in 2023
TCG ANADOLU LHD-light Aircraft Carrier
Type-214TN class AIP Submarine
ISTIF class Frigate


and Turkiye has one of the best Naval Industry in the World

TOP NAVAL INDUSTRIES
USA , UK , France , Russia , China , India , Japan , S.Korea , Turkiye , Italy , Spain

 

[TheSolution]

How is a country that is on the verge of bankruptcy the 7th most “powerful” country??

The Global Fire Power index is a joke

Because it looks at military exclusively

But our generals have neither the economy or the balls to back up the military might on paper - broke buzdil cucks

 

[Baburfromsarmarkand]

Yep. I thought Ukraine is done within a month after Russian Army crossed the border. But here we are witnessing Ukraine's resilience...

Ukraine has the 3rd largest military budget now thanks to the western sugar dads

We need to not rest on our laurels, hopefully next year we will be in top 4 in this list

 

[MMM-E]

AIRFORCE


Pakistan
-- 134 JF-17
-- 75 F-16
-- 14 J-10C

Turkiye
-- 236 F-16
treacherous USA blocked 100 F-35A to Turkiye


AD System
Pakistan : HQ-9 , HQ-16
Turkiye : HISAR-O , SIPER , S400

Air refueling Aircraft
Pakistan : 4 IL-78MP
Turkiye : 7 Boeing KC-135

Strategic Transport Aircraft
Pakistan : 0
Turkiye : 10 Airbus A400M

Radar Electronic Warfare System
Pakistan : 0
Turkiye : KORAL and REDET-II



Attack Helicopter
Pakistan : 50 AH-1F Cobra
Turkiye : 83 T-129 and 10 AH-1W Super Cobra

Helicopters
Pakistan : 322
Turkiye : 478


Pakistan has old Helicopters like MI-17 , SA-330 , Alouette III
Turkiye has modern Helicopters like Sikorsky S70 , CH-47F , AS-532 and T-625 in 2023

 

[aryobarzan]

If you ask me and I try to stay unbiased (I did not include Pakistan for conventional because I am not well informed about Pak conventional forces)
with no help from outside against a peer opponent

Conventional forces as we stand today for a short war ( a week or two):
1- Egypt
2-Iran
3-Turkey
4- Israel

Conventional forces as we stand today for a long war (6 month plus) (staying power, fuel, resupply,etc):
1- Iran
2-Turkey
3-Egypt
4-Israel

Unconventional used (nuclear, Chemical, biological):
1- Israel
2- Pakistan
2- Iran
3- Egypt
4- Turkey

 

[MMM-E]

Conventional forces as we stand today for a short war ( a week or two):
1- Egypt
2-Iran
3-Turkey
4- Israel

Iran has outdated Airforce , Army and Navy ... so weak
Iran has proxy war concept to use militia groups .. nothing else


Egypt doesnt have power to hit Turkiye

NO long range Ballistic Missile
NO long range Cruise Missile
NO long range Kamikaze Drones

Egyptian Airforce doesnt have large scale operation capability

Egyptian Air Force F-16 and Rafale Jets lacks land attack Cruise Missiles
even Egyptian Air Force F-16 and Rafale Jets lacks BVR air to air missiles

Egypt can not produce even Cruise Missile

Turkiye has everything
-- Turkiye has Ballistic Missile up to 1.000 km to hit every capital city in the region
-- Turkiye has its own SOM and ATMACA Cruise Missiles
-- Turkiye has its own 800-1.000 km KARGI long range Kamikaze Drone

even 250 Turkish UCAVs armed with 1.000-1.500 missiles to destroy Egyptian Navy in a day


also Turkiye has developed its own KORKUT , SUNGUR , HISAR-A , HISAR-O , SIPER Air Defense Systems

and Turkiye has 192 S400 Air Defense Missiles to intercept enemy forces


even Turkiye can block millions of people in Iran,Egypt ... because of soft power
35-40 million Turks in Iran will be side on Turkiye-Azerbaijan in a war

 

[aryobarzan]

Iran has outdated Airforce , Army and Navy ... so weak
Iran has proxy war concept to use militia groups .. nothing else


Egypt doesnt have power to hit Turkiye

NO long range Ballistic Missile
NO long range Cruise Missile
NO long range Kamikaze Drones

Egyptian Airforce doesnt have large scale operation capability

Egyptian Air Force F-16 and Rafale Jets lacks land attack Cruise Missiles
even Egyptian Air Force F-16 and Rafale Jets lacks BVR air to air missiles

Egypt can not produce even Cruise Missile

Turkiye has everything
-- Turkiye has Ballistic Missile up to 1.000 km to hit every capital city in the region
-- Turkiye has its own SOM and ATMACA Cruise Missiles
-- Turkiye has its own 800-1.000 km KARGI long range Kamikaze Drone

even 250 Turkish UCAVs armed with 1.000-1.500 missiles to destroy Egyptian Navy in a day


also Turkiye has developed its own KORKUT , SUNGUR , HISAR-A , HISAR-O , SIPER Air Defense Systems

and Turkiye has 192 S400 Air Defense Missiles to intercept enemy force


even Turkiye can block millions of people in Iran,Egypt ... because of soft power
35-40 million Turks in Iran will be side on Turkiye-Azerbaijan in a war

sorry I did not know your airforce of 1980s is considered up to date...yours belong to museum where Irans planes are slo..lol

 

[Sayfullah]

Why are people so triggered over a list

These lists don’t mean shit. If you have the right tactics right terrain and right motivation then you can even take on whole NATO.

 

[Titanium100]

Iran's weakness comes from the airforce and ADS..

Their conventional forces is alright.

I would place Algeria, Egypt and Morocco over Iran besides I have never agreed with this global fire power index it is bs..

Brazil doesn't belong in top 30 from a purely military stand-point..

Also Morocco in 61 is major fallacy because they are top 20 country when it comes down to purely military hardware they have been shopping madly in the last 5 years to match Algeria..

Also Turkey --- > South Korea anyday and everyday

@Foinikas @retaxis Turkey has better quality weaponry production capability then China when it comes down to proven weapons... Deal with it