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In a sensational disclosure kept under wraps so far by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif said he had less faith in the Pakistan Army than India when the two met in New York last month on the sidelines of UN General Assembly.

The remark was not in jest but came in the course of an intense discussion between the two premiers during their one-hour meeting on September 29. Sharif’s remarks were reported in a ‘Record of Discussion’ (RoD) made by the prime minister’s aides and compiled by the Prime Minister’s Office to be shared with top government functionaries of the Indian government.

Mail Today has accessed this document. Sources say that discussions provide insights into the meeting of the prime ministers in the New York Palace Hotel’s fourth floor Stanford Room. The meeting happened amid a tense standoff, and Sharif repeatedly tried hard to push for dialogue between the foreign offices of the two countries first before involving the Pakistan Army in resolving the standoff on the Line of Control.

The revelation comes on a day when the tensions between the two countries have escalated; a Junior Commissioned Officer (JCO) was killed on October 28 during a cease-fire violation by Pakistan in the Uri sector of north Kashmir. The firing took place on the wee hours of Monday when troops of the Indian Army’s 8 Kumaon regiment were patrolling along the LoC in Uri sector, 120 km northwest of Srinagar.

An Army official said that an area domination patrol party came under firing from the Pakistan side after midnight at 12.15 am on Monday leading to the death of the JCO, Prakash Chander, of Pithoragarh, Uttarakhand.

Officials said the Army didn’t retaliate but lodged a protest with the Pakistani Army over a hotline.

Violation
It is apparent, however, that Pakistani assurances are not translating into action. On Saturday, India had slammed Pakistan for claiming that it had not been given adequate evidence on the 26/11 attacks, where Islamabad is yet to bring the perpetrators of the 2008 attacks to justice.

The ceasefire violation took place at Bhim post near Kaman Bridge, the place where the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus crosses the LoC. Last week, a BSF soldier was killed and six others wounded after Pakistani troops fired at 50 Indian posts along the International Border in Jammu.

There has been a steep rise in cease-fire violations along the LoC and the International Border in Jammu and Kashmir in past few weeks. Officials say over 135 ceasefire violations have been reported in 2013, the highest in the last eight years.

At the New York meeting, the conversation began with Sharif clearing the air on the dehati aurat controversy that had broken out earlier in the day. The RoD notes that Sharif pushed for talks led by the foreign office but Singh stuck to his guns that the talks cannot be held between the civilian officials.

NY meeting

Sharif again revised his proposal and suggested that talks can be at the level of the Director General of Military Operations and the Foreign Office, which was also declined by Singh.

It was then that the Indian Prime Minister repeated his assertion that those who have caused the incidents on the Line of Control and the International Border will have to resolve it, and that militaries both countries should be involved. It was then Sharif signed off with the remark reposing mistrust in his own army, telling Singh that India had more faith in their capabilities than he did.

The remark is significant because it revealed that Sharif continues to struggle with a powerful army at home. It is also a reassertion that India will have to deal with multiple power centres in Pakistan, even more significant in the present context when the pressure is on Sharif to give a powerful postretirement role to his hard-line Army Chief General Ashfaq Kayani, who wants to handle the Kashmir and Afghanistan affairs as National Security Advisor and control Sharif’s foreign and strategic policy. Sharif also raised the issue of Baluchistan to which Manmohan responded that no evidence has been handed over by Pakistan on this accusation which has been leveled earlier as well.

Response

Last week on his way back from the summit meetings in Russia and China, Manmohan expressed his disappointment at the happenings on the LoC. “Let me say that I am disappointed, because in the New York meeting, there was a general agreement on both the sides that peace and tranquillity should be maintained on the border, on the Line of Control as well as on the international border and this has not happened.”

Nawaz’s statement exposes the fissures in the Pakistan establishment, but it also brings to the fore Nawaz’s Janus faced approach as he is neither willing nor capable of reining in the army, but he is willing to run down his own army to showcase to the international community that he holds the reins of power in Pakistan.
 
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In a sensational disclosure kept under wraps so far by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif said he had less faith in the Pakistan Army than India when the two met in New York last month on the sidelines of UN General Assembly.

@batmannow Does this fall under Article 6 and qualify to be tried under treason.
 
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Well had he said so, why was the PM Manmohan quiet over it. The news is only reported by Indian media when the transcript of ‘Record of Discussion’ (RoD) is available to the secrataries of both the PMs, and how good are Indian at making fuzz, we all know.
 
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Well had he said so, why was the PM Manmohan quiet over it. The news is only reported by Indian media when the transcript of ‘Record of Discussion’ (RoD) is available to the secrataries of both the PMs, and how good are Indian at making fuzz, we all know.
And we all know the fuzz made by the Pakistanis! The point is: Why should the Pak Establishment disclose the ROD to the Pakistanis? It is embarrassing to say the least and would sure as hell have got the PA's goat!

God forbid if Kayani is given charge as National Security Adviser. He'll screw up the geopolitics of the region and invite the wrath of the West and regional nations for his hare brained policies resulting in further destabilization of not only South Asia but also Pakistan.

Uniformed brass even if retired, must be kept out of running the state. They're better off discussing tactics on a sand model.
 
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And we all know the fuzz made by the Pakistanis! The point is: Why should the Pak Establishment disclose the ROD to the Pakistanis? It is embarrassing to say the least and would sure as hell have got the PA's goat!

God forbid if Kayani is given charge as National Security Adviser. He'll screw up the geopolitics of the region and invite the wrath of the West and regional nations for his hare brained policies resulting in further destabilization of not only South Asia but also Pakistan.

Uniformed brass even if retired, must be kept out of running the state. They're better off discussing tactics on a sand model.
The point is that , had such thing occured, it would have been available in press long time ago. Indian media is known for creating sensation out of thin air. Indian Media is as credible recently as their PM aka Dehati Woman
 
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Use common sense.

They might be or not.But the Real Part is we dont consider anything of indian origin as threat.Even if a pakistan is born in india than he's no more a threat to even mosquitos.

Could be the reason why was Pakistan as offensive throughout the past.
 
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so now we ask our enemies what should we think of our prime minister, wether he is loyal to our country and our army or not, after all who is more well wisher to Pakistan than indians
 
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Seems to be one of those usual "make up a story on popular opinion" publications. No plausibility other than analysts views.
 
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so now we ask our enemies what should we think of our prime minister, wether he is loyal to our country and our army or not, after all who is more well wisher to Pakistan than indians

The problem is pakistan has to deside what they want , if you want the military to be the authority give it all the power, throw all the politicians out or if you want the politicians to have the authrority then army has to listen to what ever the politicians say you cant have two power centers.if some good happens both will try to take credit for that and if something bad happens both can blame each other and no one wants to take responsibility for that.if you have one power center you know atleast who did the wrong thing.
 
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The problem is pakistan has to deside what they want , if you want the military to be the authority give it all the power, throw all the politicians out or if you want the politicians to have the authrority then army has to listen to what ever the politicians say you cant have two power centers.if some good happens both will try to take credit for that and if something bad happens both can blame each other and no one wants to take responsibility for that.if you have one power center you know atleast who did the wrong thing.
Have you heard the story of two cats and one monkey? Its the same in here.
 
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The point is that , had such thing occured, it would have been available in press long time ago. Indian media is known for creating sensation out of thin air. Indian Media is as credible recently as their PM aka Dehati Woman

look..just like the Drone deal,we all know what Nawaz has said.see,pakistan is making hue and cry while its as clear as day that Drone Strike happened with the consent of Pakistani Establishment.you guys should ask yourselves,on what you want to believe...you want to delude yourself with "double standard" of Paksitani Establishment and media,or you want the truth.
 
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Your generals run your country. Everything from the military. Diplomacy to your banks and even drugs trade. You have never had a real political elite and real leaders outside of your current and x retired generals.

Your army will never let the reigns go
 
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look..just like the Drone deal,we all know what Nawaz has said.see,pakistan is making hue and cry while its as clear as day that Drone Strike happened with the consent of Pakistani Establishment.you guys should ask yourselves,on what you want to believe...you want to delude yourself with "double standard" of Paksitani Establishment and media,or you want the truth.
Again a typical attempt to cloud the fact that the record keeping is two-way. If the Indian record of a meeting mention something, then Pakistani one should also have the same. Secondly, the inflexibility in Indian attitude towards the negotiations forced NS to revert back to Pakistan's principal stance on Kashmir. Even NS knows that Manmohan Singh is a done deal and it is unlikely that he would have had any expectation from a power-stripped PM who is going out of government.
 
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Seems to be one of those usual "make up a story on popular opinion" publications. No plausibility other than analysts views.
Their whole country is a collection of "Dehati Women" only good at making useless noises.
 
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