Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

[帅的一匹]

It appear to state clearly by 2021 there will be 4 Crisp Ships delivered , 2 more ordered means , on top of existing order of 2 ships

Yes brother, four type 54A(Pakistan version) will be inducted by PN before end of year 2021.
https://view.inews.qq.com/a/20180601A1UG2Z00?uid=8730528

 

[Hamza913]

The contract is for four more, on top of the additional 4 that are currently in service. This was big news in 2012, search it up.

Pakistan to Get Four more F-22P Frigates
May 8, 2012
By Kashif Munir



Pakistan is going to obtain four F-22P Frigates to be built in Pakistan in collaboration with China as part of country’s efforts to strengthen its navy.

Recently Pakistan was has got three frigate from China while fourth is being built. Previously, China also handed over four frigates to Pakistan.

According to a report, published in Daily Jang, the leading Urdu daily of the country, Pakistan was happy over getting the fighters at low price and got booked orders for four new ships.

The report said that the Chinese frigate costs 200 million dollar while the US LCS ship having similar qualities and technologies costs 600 million dollars.

According to the report, the F-22P Frigate is laced with modern missile technology. The first ship, PNS Zulfiquar, was handed over to the PN on 30 July 2009 and the second, PNS Shamsheer, on January 23, 2010. The third is undergoing sea trials, The Fourth and Last Frigate of F-22P series for the PN was launched on 17 June 2011.(TNT)



They hand over the valley and its long suffering population then we have no issue. They won't so the issue stands for now and probably forever.

Asalamu Alaikum

So where are they?

 

[doorstar]

Don't think those four are coming. This is 2018. If they were being built we'd have seen some progress in 6 years don't you think? We're getting the Type-54 instead.

I think he meant these:
Pakistan navy frigate F-22P Zulfiquar Type 053H3 and PNS Shamsher + 2 more (PNS Saif and PNS Aslat). 3 from China 1 from Karachi Shipyard

The F-22P or Zulfiquar-class frigate, is a class of frigates currently in service with the Pakistan Navy. They are an updated model of the Type 053H3 frigates of China. Wikipedia
Cost: USD$175 million each
Speed: 29 kn (54 km/h) maximum
Length: 123.2 m (404 ft)
Aircraft carried: 1 × Harbin Z-9EC ASW helicopter
Electronic warfare & decoys: RWD-8 intercept, NJ8I-3 jammer; Decoy flare, chaff launchers
Quantity: 4
Operator: Pakistan Navy (PN)

Pakistani F-22P PNS Aslat Frigate in Russian Port of Novorossiysk

SSG (navy) ON BOARD PNS ZULFIQUAR mock repelling the attacking PNS Zarrar the speedboat

 

[dBSPL]

That's great news. I have a few questions :

1. what kind of countermeasure systems does have against the supersonic missile and torpedo threat ?
2. In addition, what level of a ship are we talking about in terms of EW systems?
3. Will we see the Pakistani strategic cruise missiles such as BABUR 1B, ZARB or HARBA on the ships ?

 

[syed_yusuf]

I think PN contract signed today is that off 2 type54a announced last year. I think we are wrong in assuming 2+2, it is just 2 type54a. Not a bad news either.

 

[Genesis]

Trying to figure it out myself

The role will probably be similar to what China uses these ships for, anti piracy missions, with a further mission of getting experience in conducting missions far from home. China also uses these ships to visit foreign nations.

A Chinese naval task force in the Gulf of Aden generally consists of two guided-missile frigates and a supply ship. These are supported by two ship-based helicopters and 700 troops, including dozens of Special Operations forces.

I asked you the question?

054A is a proven platform, it has formed the backbone of the Chinese navy for close to a decade now. It has a potent anti air capability, certainly no worse than any frigate of any other nations. China has built 30 of them, so they will be delivered in a timely fashion. It is reasonably priced, and reliable. Though I am sure, China and Pakistan being allies, doesn't hurt.

One step at a time, the major hurdle China had to over come is not ships, it is officers and crew. It is difficult to have enough experienced people to man these ships. Even if Pakistan had 20 destroyers, where are you going to get the crew.

Use them to conduct low intensity missions, and bring up a generation of experienced seaman before moving on to the next step. People forget, China's first major modern warship came in 1999, almost 20 years ago.

 

[khanasifm]

I asked you the question?

Why it states having 4x 054 a by 2021 ?

Was this something part of MoD release or news man added ??

May be Jane’s and other sources will confirm the details

 

[MastanKhan]

One step at a time, the major hurdle China had to over come is not ships, it is officers and crew. It is difficult to have enough experienced people to man these ships. Even if Pakistan had 20 destroyers, where are you going to get the crew.

Use them to conduct low intensity missions, and bring up a generation of experienced seaman before moving on to the next step. People forget, China's first major modern warship came in 1999, almost 20 years ago.

Hi,

Smart comment young man---about time someone wrote that other than me---. I have been writing about it of decades---.

Integration / training is a bi-tch---it is time consuming---. It is time consuming to train a crew for a frigate or any other modern machine---.

A frigate that size may have a minimum 2 crew teams per ship and each crew team has to be as capable as the other---it takes about at least 5 years to have a true battle capable crew that can perform a task to 110% of its capability on a Frigate like the 054 or any other modern ship---.

 

[Genesis]

Why it states having 4x 054 a by 2021 ?

Was this something part of MoD release or news man added ??

May be Jane’s and other sources will confirm the details

From what I can gather, a contract was signed by June last year, and this is a follow up with an additional 2. Though it is hard to say at this moment, we'll see in the coming years.

 

[帅的一匹]

Who said Pakistan can't afford more frigates after the 5 billions sub-deal?
anything is possible when it comes to Pakistan and China.

 

[MystryMan]

Whats the difference between Type 54A, 54A+ and 54B?

 

[帅的一匹]

Whats the difference between Type 54A, 54A+ and 54B?

Type 54B is fully electric propulsion like the Royal Navy type 45, and it adopts CODAG(one QC280 Gasturbine with 23 Megawatt and two 16PA6STC diesel engine with 5 Megawatt each)power instead of Diesel engine only like Type 54A. So the Type 54B is fast enough to follow and escort the CBG with DDG like type 55 and 52D in combat operation.

Meanwhile Type 54B will have scaled down version of '346A' AESA radar of type 052D on it.

I think PN is more interested in matured and reliable platform, so they choose type 54A. After Type 54B get matured, they will consider it as well. It takes time.

Hi,

Smart comment young man---about time someone wrote that other than me---. I have been writing about it of decades---.

Integration / training is a bi-tch---it is time consuming---. It is time consuming to train a crew for a frigate or any other modern machine---.

A frigate that size may have a minimum 2 crew teams per ship and each crew team has to be as capable as the other---it takes about at least 5 years to have a true battle capable crew that can perform a task to 110% of its capability on a Frigate like the 054 or any other modern ship---.

When we talking here, the PN personnel might have been sent on PLaN type 54A for training.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

A note here. Average construction run of Type 54A's was 3/year! So we might be looking at getting all of them by 2020!!

Furthermore, upgrade to type 54A+ is a real possibility after some experience with the platform and upon refit.

Would need to embark navalized version of Z-20 for true over the horizon/longer range ASW capability.

Trying to figure it out myself

They will be flotilla leaders. Around them will be lower tier FFG's. They will form the AAW cover for the AShM/ASW punch for the flotilla. I suspect Pakistan Navy is looking to raise three flotillas with 1 x 54A and 2 x F22P/Milgem.


They will form three patrol units as I outlined in my post in the "SPARROW NEEDED," for patrolling of our SLOC's.

Finally, a great decision.

@Zarvan As far as I know contract for 2 frigates were signed than how Pak Navy will have 4 by 2021?

Chinese production runs for Type 54A is 3 hulls/year. So I suspect by 2020 we will have our for ships in the fleet

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Damen OPV's or the Swiftships are not for full fledged combat duties. Off the cuff heir speed and endurance will hamper a long range patrol group. Consider them the "Rangers" of the Navy in lay mans' term. On the border for 1st trip-line of defense and normal anti smuggling andd anti poaching duties and to protect our EEZ.

Furthermore, I don't think they will be armed with LACM as Land Attack and CG Hunt duties will remain with the sub fleet.... being the offensive arm of the fleet. And it makes sense. Use the weapon where you have an advantage. Surface fleet with its additions is and will remain a defensive element for sea denial and safeguarding our SLOC.

 

[Basel]

Hi,

Smart comment young man---about time someone wrote that other than me---. I have been writing about it of decades---.

Integration / training is a bi-tch---it is time consuming---. It is time consuming to train a crew for a frigate or any other modern machine---.

A frigate that size may have a minimum 2 crew teams per ship and each crew team has to be as capable as the other---it takes about at least 5 years to have a true battle capable crew that can perform a task to 110% of its capability on a Frigate like the 054 or any other modern ship---.

can upgrade automation with Turkish help if ships are hybrid of Eastern and western systems, Smart-S MK-2 radar with western SAM will be big boost for this ship.

If we buy ships from Turkey they may have smart-s mk-2 radar, making them most capable ships in PN.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worl...-mk2-3d-medium-long-range-surveillance-radar#

A note here. Average construction run of Type 54A's was 3/year! So we might be looking at getting all of them by 2020!!

Furthermore, upgrade to type 54A+ is a real possibility after some experience with the platform and upon refit.

Would need to embark navalized version of Z-20 for true over the horizon/longer range ASW capability.


They will be flotilla leaders. Around them will be lower tier FFG's. They will form the AAW cover for the AShM/ASW punch for the flotilla. I suspect Pakistan Navy is looking to raise three flotillas with 1 x 54A and 2 x F22P/Milgem.


They will form three patrol units as I outlined in my post in the "SPARROW NEEDED," for patrolling of our SLOC's.


Chinese production runs for Type 54A is 3 hulls/year. So I suspect by 2020 we will have our for ships in the fleet


Damen OPV's or the Swiftships are not for full fledged combat duties. Off the cuff heir speed and endurance will hamper a long range patrol group. Consider them the "Rangers" of the Navy in lay mans' term. On the border for 1st trip-line of defense and normal anti smuggling andd anti poaching duties and to protect our EEZ.

Furthermore, I don't think they will be armed with LACM as Land Attack and CG Hunt duties will remain with the sub fleet.... being the offensive arm of the fleet. And it makes sense. Use the weapon where you have an advantage. Surface fleet with its additions is and will remain a defensive element for sea denial and safeguarding our SLOC.

If we are buying standard Type-54As then our Milegems will be most capable AAW platform, only issue with them is which SAM PN buy for them because their Smart-S mk2 radar is very capable radar with 250km air search range also it can be used for surface search too.

 

[CHI RULES]

Hi,

Smart comment young man---about time someone wrote that other than me---. I have been writing about it of decades---.

Integration / training is a bi-tch---it is time consuming---. It is time consuming to train a crew for a frigate or any other modern machine---.

A frigate that size may have a minimum 2 crew teams per ship and each crew team has to be as capable as the other---it takes about at least 5 years to have a true battle capable crew that can perform a task to 110% of its capability on a Frigate like the 054 or any other modern ship---.

For crew PN shall go to retire Type 21 Frigates and their crew will be available for new frigates.Further it is possible that the crew training in small groups may have already been started.