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Pakistan Mulls NATO Offer to Ship Afghan Supplies Through Gwadar Port
January 10, 2018 9:59 AM - Ayaz Gul

ISLAMABAD —

Pakistani officials say the U.S.-led NATO military coalition in Afghanistan has offered to import vital supplies through the southwestern port of Gwadar, calling it a much shorter and economically viable route into landlocked Afghanistan.

The federal minister for maritime affairs, Hasil Bizenjo, says NATO representatives proposed the idea at a recent meeting he convened with local and international business leaders.

“They (NATO) are very interested and we are working on it,” Bizenjo told VOA in an interview.

The coalition of about 16,000 troops, known as Resolute Support, mostly consists of Americans advising and assisting Afghan forces in their battle against the Taliban and other militant groups.

The military mission is dependent on ground lines of communication and air lines of communication, known as GLOC and ALOC, through Pakistan for receiving supplies.

Currently, NATO supplies are shipped through the southern Pakistani port of Karachi, where they then are placed on trucks and transported on a week-long journey to neighboring Afghanistan via the northwestern Torkham border crossing.

“NATO people told us it would be extremely convenient for them in terms of quick transportation of supplies from Gwadar directly to Kandahar. They are very interested and we are working on it,” Bizenjo told VOA in an interview.

The Chinese-built, Arabian Sea port of Gwadar is in the southwestern Baluchistan province adjoining Afghanistan's Kandahar province, which hosts one of the five U.S. military bases in the war-shattered country.

Gwadar port is connected to the Chaman border crossing with Kandahar through a newly constructed highway, enabling truck convoys to reach Afghanistan in fewer than 24 hours.

Pakistani minister Bizenjo said companies dealing in Afghan transit trade also want their cargo to be shipped completely through Gwadar.

Another meeting with Pakistani business and NATO representatives and Afghan transit trade dealers has also been scheduled to further the discussions, Bizenjo said, without saying when.

Pakistan earned the status of non-NATO ally for allowing U.S.-led international forces to use the GLOC and ALOC supply lines to invade Afghanistan in 2001 and oust the Taliban from power for harboring al-Qaida leaders. In return, Islamabad received U.S. security assistance and civilian aid.

The proposal to redirect U.S. and NATO military cargo from Karachi to Gwadar comes as Pakistan’s traditionally rollercoaster relations with the United States suffer fresh setbacks.

It started with a New Year's Day tweet by U.S. President Donald Trump in which he accused Islamabad of providing havens to terrorists fighting in Afghanistan despite receiving over $33 billion in aid in the last 15 years. Subsequently, the Trump administration suspended security assistance to Pakistan until it takes “concrete” steps against militant hideouts on its soil.

Islamabad promptly rejected Trump’s comments as “unwarranted” and “completely incomprehensible,” saying it was being scapegoated for U.S. failures in Afghanistan.

Officials also maintain that Pakistan has received around $14 billion, not as aid, but as reimbursement for money spent on deploying security forces on the Afghan border and conducting counterterrorism operations in support of the U.S.-led mission. They say Washington still owes Islamabad around $9 billion.

The tensions have led to negative public statements coming from both sides; but, Pakistani and U.S. officials have both dismissed the widespread impression that Trump’s Twitter comments pushed the relationship to the brink of collapse and that Islamabad intended to shut down the NATO supply lines.

Pakistan blocked the ground lines of communication for months after a 2011 attack by the NATO air force accidentally hit two Pakistani border posts, killing more than two dozen Pakistani soldiers. The lines were restored only after the U.S. military formally apologized for the incident.

A U.S. government source tells VOA a “robust ongoing” bilateral dialogue is on track between the two countries, particularly their militaries. A U.S. military delegation was in Islamabad on Monday. Late last week, Pakistan's army chief, General Qamar Javed Bajwa, had a phone conversation with General Joseph Votel, the CENTCOM commander.

Army spokesman Major-General Asif Ghafoor told VOA the contact helped remove any “apprehensions” about future cooperation. “Cooperation and not coercion is the way forward,” Ghafoor said.

Pakistani Senator Mushahid Hussain, who heads the defense affairs committee of the upper house of parliament, told VOA his country has allowed U.S. and allied forces to undertake more than “one million overflights free of charge” since 2001 to conduct counterterrorism and other missions.

The U.S. needs Pakistan more than we need it because of our location, because of our role and because of the options (available to Islamabad),” Hussain said. He was referring to Islamabad's deepening ties with China, Turkey, Iran and improving relations with Russia.

The senator, however, noted that despite the latest strains in mutual ties, the GLOC and ALOC lines remain operational because Pakistan is committed to supporting efforts to bring peace and stability to Afghanistan.

Pakistan is considered the safest and cheapest route to resupply NATO troops. Other possible routes that go through Iran and central Asian countries are more expensive and pass through a region Russia considers its backyard. Tensions between the United States and Russia have been high since Moscow was accused of meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential elections.

“Without Pakistani cooperation, our army in Afghanistan risks becoming a beached whale,” wrote former U.S. diplomat Richard Olson in an article for The New York Times this week.

"Pakistan has greater leverage over us than many imagine," noted Olson, who served as ambassador to Afghanistan and Pakistan before being appointed as U.S. special envoy for both the countries by the previous administration of President Barack Obama.

https://www.voanews.com/a/pakistan-...han-supplies-through-gwadar-port/4201473.html
 
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Charge them accordingly! Need to discuss it with China first.

This news will not be appreciated by Hindustan i.e. India.
 
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WTF Everyone is talking about blocking U.S supplies and thee barstewards
are offering them Gwader port. Pakistan Army is digging their own grave
by letting U.S supplies go through Pakistan.

Charge them accordingly! Need to discuss it with China first.

This news will not be appreciated by Hindustan i.e. India.

They go through Karachi and use airspace for free. Do you these leaders
have the balls to charge these yankees an arm and a leg?
 
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WTF Everyone is talking about blocking U.S supplies and thee barstewards
are offering them Gwader port. Pakistan Army is digging their own grave
by letting U.S supplies go through Pakistan.



They go through Karachi and use airspace for free. Do you these leaders
have the balls to charge these yankees an arm and a leg?

The US/NATO has requested this. It doesn't mean we are going through. Obviously they prefer the Gwadar route, but I highly doubt we will allow it.
 
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FYI... You failed to mention those arm and legs will be that of pakistan.

LOL who says this is a done deal? You should be very worried after this development.

Contrary to Hindu rhetoric US/NATO not only seek a new route, but reaffirm the need to continue to deliver their supplies through Pakistan. What happened to Chabahar or NDN LOL

Now whether we go ahead is entirely up to us of course. Some dose of reality for our Hindu fanatics on this forum.
 
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LOL who says this is a done deal? You should be very worried after this development.

Contrary to Hindu rhetoric US/NATO not only seek a new route, but reaffirm the need to continue to deliver their supplies through Pakistan. What happened to Chabahar or NDN LOL

Now whether we go ahead is entirely up to us of course.
I am happy for this deal and both parties will have to find out a way to move forward.

As far as chabahar is concerned, neither Iran nor India will be offering the route. Since this is a trading route any divergence will bring strategic and political problems. I don't think US will believe on Iran for secure transportation of Goods.

I don't mind if the donkeys fly on that side of border or I get gold medals.
 
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I am happy for this deal and both parties will have to find out a way to move forward.

As far as chabahar is concerned, neither Iran nor India will be offering the route. Since this is a trading route any divergence will bring strategic and political problems. I don't think US will believe on Iran for secure transportation of Goods.

I don't mind if the donkeys fly on that side of border or I get gold medals.

You are not happy because neither is your government which is clearly involved in destabilizing this part of Pakistan.

There is no deal. It is only an idea. There is no way the US/NATO supplies will pass our new port. Pakistan and China didn't invest their blood and sweat for our accusers. They can only imagine Gwadar by name. Besides, we are not going to destroy our beautiful and newly paved roads by transporting heavy military equipment. The US/NATO don't even pay for damages on the Karachi route. This is out of question. Good to know though they realize Gwadar's value.

Not according to many of your Indian soul brothers on this forum. They staunchly believe that Chabahar is an alternative route.
 
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Only if Trump publically apologizes and US narrative is changed to pro Pakistani ie. Media potrayal of Pakistan etc.

If you want perks of an ally then behave like an f**king ally. If Pakistan agrees with this without these conditions then lakh lanat on your leaders you deserve to be the international whipping boy.
 
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Only if Trump publically apologizes and US narrative is changed to pro Pakistani ie. Media potrayal of Pakistan etc.

If you want perks of an ally then behave like an f**king ally. If Pakistan agrees with this without these conditions then lakh lanat on your leaders you deserve to be the international whipping boy.

This is not going to happen. China won't agree neither. US/NATO should be more worried about their current route which could close if the accusations continue.
 
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You are not happy because neither is your government which is clearly involved in destabilizing this part of Pakistan.

There is no deal. It is only an idea. There is no way the US/NATO supplies will pass our new port. Pakistan and China didn't invest their blood and sweat for our accusers. They can only imagine Gwadar by name. Besides, we are not going to destroy our beautiful and newly paved roads by transporting heavy military equipment. The US/NATO don't even pay for damages on the Karachi route. This is out of question. Good to know though they realize Gwadar's value.

Not according to many of your Indian soul brothers on this forum. They staunchly believe that Chabahar is an alternative route.
Those new roads are that of pakistan and its their choice what they do with it or which general gets nearby land to fix punctures.

Chabahar is definitely an alternative route to CPEC to reach Afghanistan and central asian countries. It is operational. Who and What goods are approved by both partners Iran and India.
 
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This is not going to happen. China won't agree neither.
China will agree with it. And indeed I would bet few Yuans that China might even be pushing for it. The reasons are simple. Everybody knows blocking US logistics and ATT will be short term. Nobody in their right minds expects that Pakistan will block US/ATT supply permanently. Not sure if even China would agree with that or support such a policy. The Chinese are 100 times stronger then Pakistan but their approach with US is deft and moving forward with extreme care. It is not brutalistic. Besides Pak political and military leadership has been bought out by Saudi's. And Saudi's are US poodles. Theefore I can't see Pak leadership crapping on two tiers of overlordship anytime soon. Posturing yes. Real substance no.

However the reason this is great idea is it offers benefits on many vital fronts. First if NATO/ATT use Gwadar it will give it a starting boost which will help to bring in extra business. The port will begin to flourish with NATO/ATT providing the required boost. This would then be great international exposure to Gwadar as a functioning post. In addition it would reduce dependance on Karachi/Port Qasim which MQM uses to raise funding from the "toll" it extracts from containers. So this is win win for all.

@Chinese-Dragon
 
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However the reason this is great idea is it offers benefits on many vital fronts. First if NATO/ATT use Gwadar it will give it a starting boost which will help to bring in extra business. The port will begin to flourish with NATO/ATT providing the required boost. This would then be great international exposure to Gwadar as a functioning post. In addition it would reduce dependance on Karachi/Port Qasim which MQM uses to raise funding from the "toll" it extracts from containers. So this is win win for all.

@Chinese-Dragon

Don't you think you are thinking about MQM too much, now a days? It is gOne, now...

And unbelievable...Why they are getting interested in Gwadar? How they can have more convenient route than they are having, now, thr' Karachi???

Guys, I don't feel good on this attempt of NATO....Gwadar is too sensitive area for Americans. Looks like they are planning for trouble...

Don't involve American stuff into Baluchistan...They are eyeing on Gwadar/Baluchistan...
 
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China will agree with it. And indeed I would bet few Yuans that China might even be pushing for it. The reasons are simple. Everybody knows blocking US logistics and ATT will be short term. Nobody in their right minds expects that Pakistan will block US/ATT supply permanently. Not sure if even China would agree with that or support such a policy. The Chinese are 100 times stronger then Pakistan but their approach with US is deft and moving forward with extreme care. It is not brutalistic. Besides Pak political and military leadership has been bought out by Saudi's. And Saudi's are US poodles. Theefore I can't see Pak leadership crapping on two tiers of overlordship anytime soon. Posturing yes. Real substance no.

However the reason this is great idea is it offers benefits on many vital fronts. First if NATO/ATT use Gwadar it will give it a starting boost which will help to bring in extra business. The port will begin to flourish with NATO/ATT providing the required boost. This would then be great international exposure to Gwadar as a functioning post. In addition it would reduce dependance on Karachi/Port Qasim which MQM uses to raise funding from the "toll" it extracts from containers. So this is win win for all.

@Chinese-Dragon

Not to forget the long run Naara of anyone who wants to get Karachi's vote "Karachi generates 70% of revenue" will also be shown it's reality.
 
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