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Need information regarding Pakistan Central and Northern Commands, their operations and responsibilities.

Here is the article from India Strategic web site: ..:: India Strategic ::..

Need short summary point to point information.
 
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and there responsibilities ? also what about the Air Force Commands?

AFAIK - These commands have been developed with synergy in mind. The Army commands now are in synch with PAF commands of the same sector which allows them to work in tandem.

@Xeric @Icarus @Malghani - would be able to shed more light on it.
 
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AFAIK - These commands have been developed with synergy in mind. The Army commands now are in synch with PAF commands of the same sector which allows them to work in tandem.

@Xeric @Icarus @Malghani - would be able to shed more light on it.

US Military also have all these commands linked with the USAF. All of these three commands have different headquaters. I've seen the picture of C4ISR (NCW) room of PAF, someone told me that the picture is old. They have completely new and advance NCW HQ. Please shed some light on that too.
 
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AFAIK - These commands have been developed with synergy in mind. The Army commands now are in synch with PAF commands of the same sector which allows them to work in tandem.

@Xeric @Icarus @Malghani - would be able to shed more light on it.
Yaar i have already given a detailed (long) explanation on the same somewhere here. Will see if i can trace it back.
 
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Need information regarding Pakistan Central and Northern Commands, their operations and responsibilities.

Here is the article from India Strategic web site: ..:: India Strategic ::..

Need short summary point to point information.

Details of any potential changes are sketchy, but Southern and Central commands already nominally exist and have had formations allocated to them.

The commander of IV Corps in Lahore is also the commander of Central Command, which also consists of I and XXX Corps.

The composition of Quetta-based Southern Command is slightly different as it faces east and west. The main responsibility of Quetta-based XII Corps is the Afghan border, and Karachi-based V Corps is focused exclusively on the eastern border.

How this geographically opposing orientation would work in practice remains to be seen.

A possible Northern Command would consist of X Corps and also perhaps XI Corps. There will not be a separate command HQ, and the commander of Northern Command will continue to be one of the existing corps commanders.

Despite the recent promotions and allocations, however, and though supportive of the prospective reorganization as it would offer “nothing but benefits,” former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, Brian Cloughley said he is unconvinced wholesale change is imminent.

“The big problem with this is nonavailability of high-quality officers for the three separate HQs. The Army is already suffering badly from an officer shortage, and such a massive staff expansion will really strain it.”

He also cites the operating costs of the new commands and does not believe the new Army chief will “leap into anything dramatic so quickly.”

The Air Force is currently structured around a three-command model. According to Kaiser Tufail, a former Air Force pilot and analyst, “It has to be emphasized that this structure is largely a peacetime arrangement that helps in overseeing routine activities at operational bases, a task which had previously overburdened the [Air HQ] at the expense of sufficient attention to plans and policymaking,” he said.

During times of conflict, things would be rather different.

“The wartime role of the PAF’s regional commands is rather limited, and largely pertains to vetting [and accordingly apportioning] the air support requirements of the Army’s Corps HQ that fall within the respective area of responsibility,” Tufail said.

But he sees potential benefits for Air Force/Army interaction in reorganization.

“Perhaps, the Army’s commands would allow a more efficient one-to-one interaction for the air support tasks to be worked out between the Army and PAF Regional Command HQs.”

However, to be truly effective, Khan said any changes would ideally be made in conjunction with another much- talked about change: an appointment of a tri-service commander/Chief of Defense Staff (CDS) and joint HQ.

“It would be ideal to have a five-star CDS,” Khan said. “Appointing a CDS, who would oversee all three services, the Strategic Plan Division, the ISI, promotions and procurements in addition to being a single point of contact between the military and the government.”

However, he does not believe the Army will allow this to happen.

“There will be no movement in making the office of [the Joint Chief of Staff] a viable institution because the Army is not willing to accept the chief of JCS on rotational basis,” he said.

Pakistan Army's Shift to Three-Command Model Inches Forward | Defense News | defensenews.com
 
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It is measure of articulation of command. Take this example; we want to employ 2 x corps 'together', that is to say in the same sector. Now previously it would mean that the corps commander of the A Corps and B Corps would have to coordinate this together with no one senior to both of them to actually coordinate the move and employment of the corps. There are two options now. 1) The COAS takes over and control both the corps 2) The corps commanders of A and B corps do it themselves. In forst case, whereas the COAS can do it, but then what if two more corps are also being employed 'together' elsewhere? This would imply that the COAS would be coordinating A and B corps at one place and B and C corps in another place. Add to them two more corps and he would also be commanding D and E corps in another sector. Matlab, shamozal.


Now in case he leave this to the two corps commander, there are certain issues. Like, whereas the corps commanders are in picture of the assets of their own corps, their strength and weakness, but they would not be similarly savvy about the second corps.


But now with a Command Commander sitting on top, he would be not only be commanding the two or three crops which makes up a command during peace time as a 'single' entity (just like a corps commander commands two or three divisions as one piece), but he would also be in knowledge of the 'properties' of both the corps. This way, the coordination would be easy. Moreover, having a command commander would mean, that he could attach, detach and group and re-group the assets of either of the corps as if they were companies of a battalion. This way, if a corps has to be given an additional brigades from the second corps, he can just order the re-grouping and it would done seamlessly just as a CO can move a platoon of his battalion to another company of his battalion.


Moreover, these commands would also be in coordination/command of the FC / Rangers, SSG, to an extent Police and other CAFs that falls under the area of the command. Thus making it simpler and smoother for the command commander to employ ALL the assets of the country whether it is the FC, Rangers of Army as if it were the same units. This is more also helpful in view of the internal security situation of the country


i hope that clear up the issue.


As for the number of commands; as of now we have the Northern, Central and Southern Commands only.

Now gimme back my half hour :)
 
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Details of any potential changes are sketchy, but Southern and Central commands already nominally exist and have had formations allocated to them.

The commander of IV Corps in Lahore is also the commander of Central Command, which also consists of I and XXX Corps.

The composition of Quetta-based Southern Command is slightly different as it faces east and west. The main responsibility of Quetta-based XII Corps is the Afghan border, and Karachi-based V Corps is focused exclusively on the eastern border.

How this geographically opposing orientation would work in practice remains to be seen.

A possible Northern Command would consist of X Corps and also perhaps XI Corps. There will not be a separate command HQ, and the commander of Northern Command will continue to be one of the existing corps commanders.

Despite the recent promotions and allocations, however, and though supportive of the prospective reorganization as it would offer “nothing but benefits,” former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, Brian Cloughley said he is unconvinced wholesale change is imminent.

“The big problem with this is nonavailability of high-quality officers for the three separate HQs. The Army is already suffering badly from an officer shortage, and such a massive staff expansion will really strain it.”

He also cites the operating costs of the new commands and does not believe the new Army chief will “leap into anything dramatic so quickly.”

The Air Force is currently structured around a three-command model. According to Kaiser Tufail, a former Air Force pilot and analyst, “It has to be emphasized that this structure is largely a peacetime arrangement that helps in overseeing routine activities at operational bases, a task which had previously overburdened the [Air HQ] at the expense of sufficient attention to plans and policymaking,” he said.

During times of conflict, things would be rather different.

“The wartime role of the PAF’s regional commands is rather limited, and largely pertains to vetting [and accordingly apportioning] the air support requirements of the Army’s Corps HQ that fall within the respective area of responsibility,” Tufail said.

But he sees potential benefits for Air Force/Army interaction in reorganization.

“Perhaps, the Army’s commands would allow a more efficient one-to-one interaction for the air support tasks to be worked out between the Army and PAF Regional Command HQs.”

However, to be truly effective, Khan said any changes would ideally be made in conjunction with another much- talked about change: an appointment of a tri-service commander/Chief of Defense Staff (CDS) and joint HQ.

“It would be ideal to have a five-star CDS,” Khan said. “Appointing a CDS, who would oversee all three services, the Strategic Plan Division, the ISI, promotions and procurements in addition to being a single point of contact between the military and the government.”

However, he does not believe the Army will allow this to happen.

“There will be no movement in making the office of [the Joint Chief of Staff] a viable institution because the Army is not willing to accept the chief of JCS on rotational basis,” he said.

Pakistan Army's Shift to Three-Command Model Inches Forward | Defense News | defensenews.com

JCS must be on rotational basis, because it happens all over the world, it must not be confined to army only.
 
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Or Haleem prepared by Altaf bhai;)

Is Dr Hannibal Lecter invited ;)

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