Pakistan interested in buying 30-40 J-31s

[帅的一匹]

Pls don't jump like that... let's it be clean. Chine 5th gen aircraft where?? it's not even combat proven, so it's just "maybe". Chine gonna sell a paper spec with the FC-31 ( China don't even want it...). As for BAE , no they're not gonna sell dreams or problem solution, but THEY HAVE BACKGROUND into that, whatever it's with their new Stealth wing or F-35 and so on... You see the Difference?

China fifth gem aircraft where? Are you deliberate or just ignorant? yeh, I see the difference. The huge difference of the industrial ability between China and Turkey. We are leading too much, at least we don't force a tractor manufacture to produce tank engines when you get embargoed by Austria. China can develop J20 on its own and you need to rely on BAE, that's the real difference. But you might be banned anytime by other NATO members as they take cautious of Erdogan's dictatorship.

 

[HannibalBarca]

China fifth gem aircraft where? Are you deliberate or just ignorant? yeh, I see the difference. The huge difference of the industrial ability between China and Turkey. We are leading too much, at least we don't force a tractor manufacture to produce tank engines when you get embargoed by Austria. China can develop J20 on its own and you need to rely on BAE, that's the real difference. But you might be banned anytime by other NATO members as they take cautious of Erdogan's dictatorship.

You did not answer the Q... BAE has more knowledge than China in those peculiar fields. Whatever you like it or not.
But if you want to get personal on that matter.. I think it's better to end it here.
In the End , FC-31 is not combat proven neither a 5th gen aircraft... China herself do not want it , so pls stay on Topic and don't bring J20 that has nothing to do in it.
As for your Engines and such, you did nothing from zero, you reverse eng it and Basta, and the quality is less than the Russian original, try to make it a good pcs in your Brain, till this day your " Engine" are weak and they are getting updated and changed till today.
Don't need to jump on your Horses, everyone begin from somewhere, CHINA WERE MOCKED and still do, yet you're advancing, so bf spitting your trashy opinion, the minimum you can do is to not REDO WHAT OTHERS DID TO YOU. at least , Honor you country, and don't make a fool of the majority good Chinese ppl around here....

ps: Go back to learn FLags...

 

[帅的一匹]

You did not answer the Q... BAE has more knowledge than China in those peculiar fields. Whatever you like it or not.
But if you want to get personal on that matter.. I think it's better to end it here.
In the End , FC-31 is not combat proven neither a 5th gen aircraft... China herself do not want it , so pls stay on Topic and don't bring J20 that has nothing to do in it.
As for your Engines and such, you did nothing from zero, you reverse eng it and Basta, and the quality is less than the Russian original, try to make it a good pcs in your Brain, till this day your " Engine" are weak and they are getting updated and changed till today.
Don't need to jump on your Horses, everyone begin from somewhere, CHINA WERE MOCKED and still do, yet you're advancing, so bf spitting your trashy opinion, the minimum you can do is to not REDO WHAT OTHERS DID TO YOU. at least , Honor you country, and don't make a fool of the majority good Chinese ppl around here....

ps: Go back to learn FLags...

You know what ? I'm gonna put you in my ignore list. BAE is not a Turkic company?! If you are smart enough, do it on your own. When it comes to reverse engineer, Turkey is absolutely sterling at this one. Actually you count on TOT at other peoples' mercy. Kettle doesn't call pot black. I will call it an end, do suit yourself.

 

[HannibalBarca]

You know what ? I'm gonna put you in my ignore list. BAE is not a Turkic company?! If you are smart enough, do it on your own. When it comes to reverse engineer, Turkey is absolutely sterling at this one. Actually you count on TOT at other peoples' mercy. Kettle doesn't call bottle black.

LOL like I care.. you're upset and that show us how little you are

 

[帅的一匹]

Who tell you China doesn't want FC31? He is lying.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Who tell you China doesn't want FC31? He is lying.

Go to bed.. you need some sleep.
China gonna buy few, by pity... FC31 is mostly meant for Export...

 

[NakedLunch]

Can PAF wait until year 2030? India will be flying with 5th gen long time before that.

No, Pakistan cant wait that long before we get a 5th Generation fighter. As soon as India starts getting their Rafael's Pakistan will be in no position to delay procuring a 5th Gen aircraft. With the relationship we have with the Chinese military, the J 31 makes perfect sense. We get a hell of a lot of leeway when dealing with the Chinese. It is a great asset for Pakistan.

 

[MastanKhan]

Can PAF wait until year 2030? India will be flying with 5th gen long time before that.

Hi,

Thank you for your post. It is more like 20 years for the TFX if it comes in Paf colors---.

As for someone stating that the J31 is not flying in the Plaaf colors has no effect on the aircraft's capabilities if the Paf choses to fly it---.

If the Paf choses this aircraft---then it will meet and exceed the criteria of what the Paf has in mind---in stealth---and in the EW suite---.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Can PAF wait until year 2030? India will be flying with 5th gen long time before that.

after 2030.

the amca is so behind it wont see service till easily 2035, around the same time frame as the tfx

the fgfa....... no comment easily 2030+

pakistan can have the fc-31 by 2023-2025 if they put resources to it. heck even sooner if china wants it.

 

[BRAVO_]

It's good that it just yr opinion. PAF joining Turkish TFX is as good as zero. It a massive downgrade going for TFX. I give an example.

Why go for a paper Mig-21 (TFX)when F-16 (J-31)is already available?

If PAF goes for TFX, it will be purely political motivated and religion link with no beneficial and pile of money goes down the drain. PAF needs a fifth gen fighter in few years time and Turkish side is not able to deliver it in just short time.

It's good that it just yr opinion. PAF joining Turkish TFX is as good as zero. It a massive downgrade going for TFX. I give an example.

Why go for a paper Mig-21 (TFX)when F-16 (J-31)is already available?

If PAF goes for TFX, it will be purely political motivated and religion link with no beneficial and pile of money goes down the drain. PAF needs a fifth gen fighter in few years time and Turkish side is not able to deliver it in just short time.

PAF will keep in mind many factors before the selection of its next generation jet, some of them are as follows:

1: J-31 program is funded by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation and it is without support or directives from the People Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). the lack of support or scale from the PLA is something the PAF will be keeping in mind considering that Pakistan has a limited fiscal capacity.
2: PLAAF has already chose Chengdu J-20 as its principal next-generation fighter platform.
3: AVIC’s is targeting those markets which are unable to access the latest in Western aerospace technology. while through TFX pakistan has a chances to hand on the western tech.
4: in JF-17s case it was co funded, which mean even if PLAAF was not interested it was having an order of about 150 units and finally now it is on the track to re hit the export market.
5: in J-31 case the pool of potential takers is much thinner.
6: one more fact PAF has no history or relationship with SAC. which mean PAF will pretty much start a new relationship.

 

[Centurion2016]

Turkey has zero experience at developing & building combat planes.

AND NO license assembly of F16 with massive support from Lockheed martin is not the same.

CHINA & RUSSIA have been trying to build a fifth gen fighter for a decade

ACCORDING to indian defense experts PAK FA from RUSSIA does not meet fifth gen capability. Hence their decision to go for stop GAP rafale for now

THIS MAKES TFX a pipe dream that will take decades to arrive EVEN THEN with MASSIVE USA support

THJAT LEAVES J31

Well with 2 TECH DEMO PLANES ......this plane needs 10 more prototypes and 3000 hours of flight testing to even reach PLAAF induction IF AT ALL....

FOR PAF that means no J31 until well AFTER 2O25

even them WE HAVE NO IDEA of WHAT ENGINE wat Radar wat missles wat EW suites WAT sensor fusion capability

PAF is banking on paper planes THAT DO NOT EXIST as YET

RAFALE is coming in 2 YEARS

INFACT even JF17 bock 3 will not be in PAF until post 2020.

PAF have their work cut out to remain relevant beyond 2020

 

[ChineseToTheBone]

Supposedly, the first deliveries of the Sukhoi PAK FA to India will begin next year. This means that Pakistan will need a more advanced jet sooner rather than later. With the next prototype of the J-31 rumoured to perform in the Paris Air Show during June of this year, it seems that development is on schedule.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Turkey has zero experience at developing & building combat planes.

AND NO license assembly of F16 with massive support from Lockheed martin is not the same.

CHINA & RUSSIA have been trying to build a fifth gen fighter for a decade

ACCORDING to indian defense experts PAK FA from RUSSIA does not meet fifth gen capability. Hence their decision to go for stop GAP rafale for now

THIS MAKES TFX a pipe dream that will take decades to arrive EVEN THEN with MASSIVE USA support

THJAT LEAVES J31

Well with 2 TECH DEMO PLANES ......this plane needs 10 more prototypes and 3000 hours of flight testing to even reach PLAAF induction IF AT ALL....

FOR PAF that means no J31 until well AFTER 2O25

even them WE HAVE NO IDEA of WHAT ENGINE wat Radar wat missles wat EW suites WAT sensor fusion capability

PAF is banking on paper planes THAT DO NOT EXIST as YET

RAFALE is coming in 2 YEARS

INFACT even JF17 bock 3 will not be in PAF until post 2020.

PAF have their work cut out to remain relevant beyond 2020

Capital letters will not make it more accepted...

First TFX will have a BAE support.

Second Turkey may not build "their" own plane, but her Industry in that field is already built. Whatever it's F-16/F-35 or airbus and such. Brains and specialized worker are available.

Third TFX is not a dream, since few things have been done in that direction, the only variable will be Time.

Fourth TFX is not a F-35 Copy, it will not be a super stealth jet, it will be a compromise btw strike and steath.

And Last Rafale is a good plane, but it's becoming an old one... half life has just hit the door. And it's has nothing to do with stealth...

 

[Readerdefence]

Turkey has zero experience at developing & building combat planes.

AND NO license assembly of F16 with massive support from Lockheed martin is not the same.

CHINA & RUSSIA have been trying to build a fifth gen fighter for a decade

ACCORDING to indian defense experts PAK FA from RUSSIA does not meet fifth gen capability. Hence their decision to go for stop GAP rafale for now

THIS MAKES TFX a pipe dream that will take decades to arrive EVEN THEN with MASSIVE USA support

THJAT LEAVES J31

Well with 2 TECH DEMO PLANES ......this plane needs 10 more prototypes and 3000 hours of flight testing to even reach PLAAF induction IF AT ALL....

FOR PAF that means no J31 until well AFTER 2O25

even them WE HAVE NO IDEA of WHAT ENGINE wat Radar wat missles wat EW suites WAT sensor fusion capability

PAF is banking on paper planes THAT DO NOT EXIST as YET

RAFALE is coming in 2 YEARS

INFACT even JF17 bock 3 will not be in PAF until post 2020.

PAF have their work cut out to remain relevant beyond 2020

Hi my friend it's like after two years once rafale is here you going to invade Pakistan
Just hold your horses and wait for two years and everybody will see what Pakistan
Is having in their sleeve

 

[MultaniGuy]

Insh'Allah Pakistan will get those J-31s soon