Pakistan in diplomatic push to reset ties with Bangladesh

[Michael Corleone]

Thank you for the detailed response.

I must say that I am surprised to hear that the military in Bangladesh has so much influence and is alleged to be working behind the scenes to manipulate the government. If that is correct, was the military behind the deterioration of Pakistan-Bangladesh ties under the Hasina Wajid as well? If yes, what would make the military change course on Pakistan-Bangladesh ties now?

Simple, two factions in the military India and China centric and the internal power struggle also influences the politics

 

[VikingRaider]

We still dislike Hasina.

You are free to like or dislike her , no one is stopping you .

Rapprochement however will happen with or without her blessing.

I know this very well. But be sure , after she is gone, at least no one from Zia family will be in power in Bangladesh .

You kidding right?? You know who. Dont act like you don't know.

Indeed I know my version buddy. But leave it .

 

[leonblack08]

Simple, two factions in the military India and China centric and the internal power struggle also influences the politics

Right on Target.

Some people out of their political zealousness are quick to categorize that Bangladesh's army has sold out. But they fail to realize that there are patriotic officers who are trying very hard to keep things in balance.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Right on Target.

Some people out of their political zealousness are quick to categorize that Bangladesh's army has sold out. But they fail to realize that there are patriotic officers who are trying very hard to keep things in balance.

They're trying to score brownie points, they will reach what can only be described as an 'Orgasmic state' of euphoria, when they one up BAL supporters and vice versa for BNP supporters.



In this realm of political point scoring, everything is viewed through monochrome lenses, us Vs them, BNP Vs BAL, they quite conveniently choose to disregard the fact that there exist people who aren't into factionalism of politics, as in people who love the country but don't support any particular party.


I believe, I'm one such person, as I harbour the same disdain for all political parties and their supporters, however since they can't play their petty games with me, they just accuse me of being a latent BAL supporter.


Opposing anarchy in the streets in the name of democracy makes a BAL supporter, how very convenient right ?


It's always Black & White, them Vs us, the good guys Vs the bad guys.....

What's more ironic is that these heroines don't live in Bangladesh.

Such people should be ashamed to call themselves Bangladeshi, Indeed people with such mentalities are the plague that haunts Bangladesh and it's economic potential.


These political brownie points scorers should be tried and charged with sedition.


It's all starting to get annoyingly monotonous now, since past week, the near incessant moaning, finger pointing, reminiscing past governments, namecalling, character assassinations, massive paragraphs about why so and so government is good.....


Can you people give it a bloody rest ? Or does your pathetic existence revolve around scoring brownie points on social media and PDF ?

Derailing threads with wholly off topic and unrelated arguements over party politics is against the rules, so I implore you lot, STOP, only you can put an end to this, either side should stop and consequently the other will too.


Thank you.

 

[Tom-tom]

Fighting a violent conflict and triggering civil war instead of continuing to use peaceful means of protest, aka MLK, also comes with 'risk' - it's not for fun and the people engaging in said civil conflict have to be prepared to pay a price. Pakistan owes nothing to Bangladesh.

And you can't with a serious face argue that East Pakistanis faced anywhere close to the discrimination that African Americans in the US suffered - if MLK could protest peacefully and use a peaceful movement for change to affect change, so could have East Pakistanis.

East Pakistanis chose to use violence as a means for change, there is a cost for that approach and that cost was paid.

Now, as I said before, you can either move on from the past and accept it, or be prepared to continue this cycle of hatred and animosity where wounds will be re-opened on both sides, irrespective of the views of trailer trash like Hamid Mir Jafar's in Pakistan.

Bengalis should be slaves of west pak, and indentured servants? What great life that turned for African Americans higher rate of poverty, higher rate of health problems, higher rate of everything shi**ier.

The scenario between black African descendants of slaves in America fighting for civil rights is a different scenario.

Mujib gave west pak choices and conditions, your west pak refused. Mujib went to west pak to negotiate. West pak imprisoned mujib and started getting armed soldiers from west pak to kill civilians in east pak.

Your comparison between former descendants of slaves and bengalis shows how little you think of bengalis. I think your getting confused as some bengalis have darker skin, but that's were the comparison ends.

71 happened because of two egotistical assholes. Bhutto and mujeeb. Both died at the hands of their own men. For politics they had many many men and women suffer

Mujib gave west pak choices and conditions, your west pak refused. Mujib went to west pak to negotiate. West pak imprisoned mujib and started getting armed soldiers from west pak to kill civilians in east pak.


I think he gave 7 point condition then that got refused then he went into enemy hostile territory to negotiate.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM so effectively bengalis in east pak should have become second class citizens in your own territory that's been their own soil.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

West pak imprisoned mujib and started getting armed soldiers from west pak to kill civilians in east pak.

Incorrect - what happened was a crackdown suspected separatists and Indian collaborators. Hasina Wajid has done much the same in her crackdown on the opposition - murder is murder, whether done by a military firing squad or through the hangman's noose. Autocratic regimes engage in autocratic methods to stifle dissent. There was no 'crackdown on civilians for the sake of just murdering civilians'.

Point being, East Pakistanis & West Pakistanis fought a violent conflict - atrocities were committed on both sides. Losses, human and material, were incurred by both sides. East Pakistan became Bangladesh and Pakistan doesn't owe Bangladesh anything else.

You can live your life as an independent nation, move beyond the past, build bridges with Pakistan, or you can keep ranting and raving about the events of 1971 and Pakistan and Pakistanis will just ignore you and build relationships with other Bangladeshis who ARE interested in moving beyond the past.

If Pakistanis can find no partners for peace willing to leave the past behind in Bangladesh, then we'll just ignore you - a country thousands of miles away that really has no direct bearing on Pakistan's national security or national interests.

 

[Trango Towers]

Bengalis should be slaves of west pak, and indentured servants? What great life that turned for African Americans higher rate of poverty, higher rate of health problems, higher rate of everything shi**ier.

The scenario between black African descendants of slaves in America fighting for civil rights is a different scenario.

Mujib gave west pak choices and conditions, your west pak refused. Mujib went to west pak to negotiate. West pak imprisoned mujib and started getting armed soldiers from west pak to kill civilians in east pak.

Your comparison between former descendants of slaves and bengalis shows how little you think of bengalis. I think your getting confused as some bengalis have darker skin, but that's were the comparison ends.





Mujib gave west pak choices and conditions, your west pak refused. Mujib went to west pak to negotiate. West pak imprisoned mujib and started getting armed soldiers from west pak to kill civilians in east pak.


I think he gave 7 point condition then that got refused then he went into enemy hostile territory to negotiate.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM so effectively bengalis in east pak should have become second class citizens in your own territory that's been their own soil.

If mujeeb was so good why did his own troops kill him..
Choices...well you have his daughter now and she is making you Indian slaves. Enjoy

 

[Bilal9]

Guys I'd desist from turning this thread into another 1971 thread, only helps our enemies.

Rapprochement is happening not because Hasina likes/dislikes India/Pakistan, the reason is way bigger and forced by Geopolitical posture regionally.

Tradewise, Bangladesh needs to balance sources and markets in different countries. Put her eggs in different baskets.

 

[HalfMoon]

Relations will get better when Bangladeshis remove Indian stooges out of government. Inshallah

Taking out Hasina is not that difficult for ISI but RAW will try to install another puppet.

So Pakistan has to ensure that Khaleda Zia gets out of jail and becomes PM immediately to check mate the Indians.

 

[Avicenna]

Bengalis should be slaves of west pak, and indentured servants? What great life that turned for African Americans higher rate of poverty, higher rate of health problems, higher rate of everything shi**ier.

The scenario between black African descendants of slaves in America fighting for civil rights is a different scenario.

Mujib gave west pak choices and conditions, your west pak refused. Mujib went to west pak to negotiate. West pak imprisoned mujib and started getting armed soldiers from west pak to kill civilians in east pak.

Your comparison between former descendants of slaves and bengalis shows how little you think of bengalis. I think your getting confused as some bengalis have darker skin, but that's were the comparison ends.





Mujib gave west pak choices and conditions, your west pak refused. Mujib went to west pak to negotiate. West pak imprisoned mujib and started getting armed soldiers from west pak to kill civilians in east pak.


I think he gave 7 point condition then that got refused then he went into enemy hostile territory to negotiate.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM so effectively bengalis in east pak should have become second class citizens in your own territory that's been their own soil.

Give it a rest buddy.

This thread is about reconciliation.

Not beating a dead horse.

 

[bluesky]

In contrast Hasina is not such fool but a clever politician who had sympathy for people and also have some Messiah complex ( like you ), although she is not as dumb as you are! .

Why making another personal attack? Is it because you are unable to forward any logical arguments? I thought dumbest people are those who blindly support a political party for their temporary personal benefits, such as an opportunity to import finished goods from India and discouraging industrialization of the country.

By the way, do you think it is a dumb idea to propose the alleviation of waterlogging in Dhaka? If so, I accept your verdict that I am the dumbest person in this Forum.

 

[VikingRaider]

I thought dumbest people are those who blindly support a political party for their temporary personal benefits, such as an opportunity to import finished goods from India and discouraging industrialization of the country.

There is another kind of dumbest people who hold intiuitive ideas , and try to forcefully put words into others mouth . Do you really believe you can convince others with your ranting other than some people who are whining because their party is not in power?

In the end what you are going to get with this tricks? You are forcefully trying to prove that some people are AL ,crony , and some do not want industrialization in Bangladesh because of their personal benefits.

Okay let's assume for a second for the sake of argument that you are correct . So actually what can you do ? How can you stop them ?

By blubbering in PDF ? Are you really so unrealistic , so childish ? Are you only arguing and trying to forcefully impose your words to another people only to win and argument! Or do you believe that you really can change Bangladesh by doing so ?

If yes then feel free to be victorious .

Keep playing your game on empty field I have no time to argue with such people who forcefully and childishly try to impose their words on other people. If such thing makes you happy , keep doing so . Best of luck.

 

[Bilal9]

This thread is hilarious.

I see wannabe business exploiters in this thread, and some ethno-bigots and race-baiters. Suspicion all around. Relax.

The best (or worst) that is going to be the outcome of the Pakistan-Bangladesh warming of relations will be increased trade based on practical considerations (more cotton and grey cloth from Pakistan, more agricultural produce traded back and forth) and maybe some political military understanding of sorts, a thawing of formerly frosty relations hitherto not seen in the last fifty years. I doubt it will immediately translate into joint Bangladesh Pakistan military exercises. Give it some time.

No one is going become the exploiter or exploited, no one will start killing Hindus, no one will make windfall loots because of this warming of relations. Come back down to earth friends.

 

[Tom-tom]

Taking out Hasina is not that difficult for ISI but RAW will try to install another puppet.

So Pakistan has to ensure that Khaleda Zia gets out of jail and becomes PM immediately to check mate the Indians.

Morons talk about taking out a bd pm that brought or either allowed economic progress to happen in last two decades at very good rate.

That's paks must realise the wrongs their state done. I would like a genuine partnership with pak but those conditions must met or a full genuine partnership will not happpen and India will walk free and continue to bully..

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Morons talk about taking out a bd pm that brought or either allowed economic progress to happen in last two decades at very good rate.

That's paks must realise the wrongs their state done. I would like a genuine partnership with pak but those conditions must met or a full genuine partnership will not happpen and India will walk free and continue to bully..

Leave it be pal, nothing fruitful will come of this back and forth....

This is precisely why you don't see any other BD users discussing this topic.