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"We want to open the west and use your country to help us develop a corridor for trade and tourism," Zhu Rongji said, pointing to the giant map of China on the wall behind his desk.

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It was 1993, and Shahid Javed Burki, then director of the World Bank's China operations and later Pakistan's caretaker finance minister, was calling on the then vice-premier in Beijing.

China, Zhu told him, was different from other big countries in that it had sea access only on one side. That was where Pakistan came in.

China's "all-weather friend" is an integral part of its "look west" policy to find economic sustenance for landlocked western provinces. This is why China in 1986 started working on a 600-kilometre highway across the Karakoram mountain range connecting Kashgar in Xinjiang province with Pakistan's northeast.

Nearly three decades on, Burki is on a mission to expand the highway into an ambitious 2,000km China-Pakistan Economic Corridor. It will connect the deepwater Pakistani port of Gwadar on the Arabian Sea with Xinjiang, providing China easy access to fuel imports from the Middle East and Africa while creating a cheap overland export route to a maritime exit port for interior provinces such as Gansu and Qinghai.

"The idea is to develop the Karakoram Highway into a motorway network all the way to Gwadar, establish a railway line and two pipelines for oil and gas, and create industrial hubs along the way," Burki said.

The corridor is conceived and planned at the cost of India's interests
S.D. MUNI, FORMER AMBASSADOR
Largely financed and built by Beijing, Gwadar is strategically located near the Strait of Hormuz that channels a third of the world's oil trade. It could play a major role in China's energy security by providing a much shorter alternative to the current, circuitous 12,900km route from the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Malacca to China's eastern seaboard.

But the port and the corridor are not without their problems. Baluchistan province, where Gwadar is located, has been grappling with a low-intensity separatist insurgency. Many Chinese workers have been attacked and killed amid the violence, often making Beijing wary of the venture.

The ascent of a new leadership in Beijing, however, seems to have given the China-Pakistan corridor plan a new impetus just as it has done to a proposed Bangladesh China India Myanmar corridor that would provide landlocked Yunnan province access to the Bay of Bengal.

In February, the Pakistani government transferred the contract for running Gwadar from the Port of Singapore Authority to China Overseas Port. During the Pakistan leg of his first overseas trip as premier in May, Li Keqiang vowed to "speed up" the project. An agreement was signed in July when Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif visited China within a month of returning to power.

Burki estimates the corridor will take five to 10 years to set up and cost up to US$15 billion. Efforts are being made to raise the money through structured finance instruments with the help of the countries, donor agencies and industrial sectors that will gain from the corridor.

"There is an active South Asian diaspora in the world of structured finance who we hope to rope in," Burki said.

To do that, he is chairing a special session on the economic corridor at the South Asian Diaspora Convention in Singapore this week, hosted by the National University of Singapore's Institute of South Asian Studies.

But the corridor could be a tough sell to the diaspora as a whole because India remains deeply suspicious of Gwadar's endgame. Not only does the planned corridor pass through Azad Kashmir, a sore point with the Indians, but the port would also position the Chinese on its western flank.

Pakistan's enthusiastic noises about offering Gwadar for a Chinese naval base have not helped either, reinforcing India's "string of pearls" fears stemming from China's involvement in nearby ports such as Hanmabanthota in Sri Lanka, Sittwe in Myanmar and Chittagong in Bangladesh.

"What's in it for India? More so when the corridor is conceived and planned at the cost of India's interests, claims and political sensitivities," said S.D. Muni, a former Indian ambassador and special envoy to the UN.

The corridor would find a lot more investors if India came on board because of the market that would come with it. "India matters because it would boost the rates of return. It would also bring in the vast and wealthy Indian diaspora," Burki said. "India is hungry for energy too and this corridor can meet its needs."

India is already part of the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline project that will move natural gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan into Pakistan and then to India. It is also among the four countries that invested in the recently commissioned Myanmar-China natural gas pipeline that allows China access to cheap fuel.

Pakistan happy to aid in China's quest for land route to the west; India, not so much | South China Morning Post
 
"What's in it for India? More so when the corridor is conceived and planned at the cost of India's interests, claims and political sensitivities," said S.D. Muni, a former Indian ambassador and special envoy to the UN.


LOL Mr Mani Pakistan Is Under No Obligation to Look At What India's Interests Are.This Is Between China and Pakistan,Who Are You To Talk About It
Whats In It For India? I Can Smell Jealousy From Miles
 
The corridor would find a lot more investors if India came on board because of the market that would come with it. "India matters because it would boost the rates of return. It would also bring in the vast and wealthy Indian diaspora," Burki said. "India is hungry for energy too and this corridor can meet its needs."
Though a utopian idea, an energy and goods transit corridor from Beijing to Mumbai via Nepal (Khatmandu) would be a win-win situation for all three countries.

Later the corridor could have an off shoot to connect Kolkata port too and further extended to South East Asia including BD and Myanmar.

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What do you guys think?




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Though a utopian idea, an energy and goods transit corridor from Beijing to Mumbai via Nepal (Khatmandu) would be a win-win situation for all three countries.

Later the corridor could have an off shoot to connect Kolkata port too and further extended to South East Asia including BD and Myanmar.

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What do you guys think?




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If this happens it will be India Chini bhai bhai. But it will never happen.

Pakistan approach is safer and much more cost effective.
 
LOL Mr Mani Pakistan Is Under No Obligation to Look At What India's Interests Are.This Is Between China and Pakistan,Who Are You To Talk About It
Whats In It For India? I Can Smell Jealousy From Miles

True. However, India needs to consider the fact that Pakistan is willing to sell her naval bases, airfields and airspace to foreign entities for the right remuneration.

In quintessence, Pakistan can be bought if the price is right.
 
True. However, India needs to consider the fact that Pakistan is willing to sell her naval bases, airfields and airspace to foreign entities for the right remuneration.

In quintessence, Pakistan can be bought if the price is right.

Though it hurts me deeply, but I must say you are right. Our previous general president proudly states in his book that he even sold people. With human traffickers as your leaders what else can be expected
 
Though it hurts me deeply, but I must say you are right. Our previous general president proudly states in his book that he even sold people. With human traffickers as your leaders what else can be expected

My intentions weren't to offend, but to state plain facts. If the governance of Pakistan can be influenced from within to reflect favorably to foreign interests, it is an option worth looking into for Indian authorities.
 
Though a utopian idea, an energy and goods transit corridor from Beijing to Mumbai via Nepal (Khatmandu) would be a win-win situation for all three countries.

Later the corridor could have an off shoot to connect Kolkata port too and further extended to South East Asia including BD and Myanmar.

Map_zps16dbfbc1.jpg


What do you guys think?




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The Idea Is Pretty Good.Many Indian Writers Have Expressed Desire To Convince Chinese To Set Up A CPEC Style Economic Corridor In India.However Pakistan Has Two Advantages Over India In This Regard
1.Gwadar Is Located At The Mouth Of The Ultra Strategic Strait of Hormuz.No Indian Port Can Provide China That Privelege
2.Though The China India Relationship Has Warmed Over The Period Of Time It Is Still No Where Close To The Level of Mutual Trust and Confidence Between Pakistan and China

My intentions weren't to offend, but to state plain facts. If the governance of Pakistan can be influenced from within to reflect favorably to foreign interests, it is an option worth looking into for Indian authorities.

Dear You Can't Compare Pakistan's Relationship With China and India as If They Were On The Same Footing.If Pakistan Is Offering Bases To China(And That Is Big IF) Then There Is Decades Of Mutual Trust and Confidence.With Pakistan's Relationship With India It' Ben Pretty Much The Opposite Unfotunately
 
The Idea Is Pretty Good.Many Indian Writers Have Expressed Desire To Convince Chinese To Set Up A CPEC Style Economic Corridor In India.However Pakistan Has Two Advantages Over India In This Regard
1.Gwadar Is Located At The Mouth Of The Ultra Strategic Strait of Hormuz.No Indian Port Can Provide China That Privelege
2.Though The China India Relationship Has Warmed Over The Period Of Time It Is Still No Where Close To The Level of Mutual Trust and Confidence Between Pakistan and China
I agree to that. However, it must be noted that it is not only about oil trade through the Strait of Hormuz (where Pakistan has the geographical advantage over India), but trade in other goods through direct routes saving enormous amount of time and costs.

Sino-Indian trade is now $70 billion slated to reach $100 billion by 2015 and a whopping $500 billion by 2020! But the trade corridors are circuitous, expensive and time consuming. Therefore, a direct route from Chinese hubs to India would be cost effective and a win-win situation for both countries.
 
I agree to that. However, it must be noted that it is not only about oil trade through the Strait of Hormuz (where Pakistan has the geographical advantage over India), but trade in other goods through direct routes saving enormous amount of time and costs.

Sino-Indian trade is now $70 billion slated to reach $100 billion by 2015 and a whopping $500 billion by 2020! But the trade corridors are circuitous, expensive and time consuming. Therefore, a direct route from Chinese hubs to India would be cost effective and a win-win situation for both countries.



Dear Gwadar and The Corridor Is Important To China For 3 Reasons
1.Pakistani Seaports Are Closer To Western China Than China's Own Ports
2.It Provides Chinese A Friendly Alternative To An Ever Perilous Oil Route Through The Mallacca Straits
3.It Will Provide Relief To The Ever Congested Chinese Seaports(Capacity Problems Are An Issue With Fast Growing Economies BTW Pakistan Can Help India In This Regard As Well)


While It May Be True That China and India's Mutual Trade Are Massive, But This Is About Getting Energy Supplies From Gulf and Africa To China Safely.It Is Not Just A Deep Seaport But A Network Of Freight Rail Motorways and Oil and Gas Pipelines.This Mega Project Is Going Bring Economic Integration Of Un Precedentd Magnitude.Western and Indian Writers Can Belittle As Much As They Want But If They Had Good Sense They Would Be Pushing Their Governments To Offer The World To Pakistan For This Corridor





However If You Are So Insistent Why Not Get The Chinese To Build One Of The DMIC Seaports At Dighi or Dholera and Extend Trade Linkages Upto Tibet This Will Enhance The Value Of The DMIC But I Do Not Know If It Would Go Down Well With The Japanese
 
This route can also serve purpose in linking trade with Iran and Afghanistan....
 
Dear You Can't Compare Pakistan's Relationship With China and India as If They Were On The Same Footing.If Pakistan Is Offering Bases To China(And That Is Big IF) Then There Is Decades Of Mutual Trust and Confidence.With Pakistan's Relationship With India It' Ben Pretty Much The Opposite Unfotunately

It depends on what perspective you see things from. This is how Saudis see your Pakistani Prime Minister, as their private butler:

"Nawaz Sharif, specifically, is very much Saudi Arabia's man in Pakistan," Mr. Alwaleed says

This is how the Americans treated your DG of the ISI. Honestly, I'd have been scared saying that to someone who had a registered firearm on him.

Pasha said US arrogance “knew no limits” and accused the Americans of waging “psychological warfare” over the whereabouts of Taliban leader Mullah Omar and bin Laden’s successor Ayman al-Zawahiri.

He quoted a US intelligence officer as saying “you are so cheap… we can buy you with a visa,” and said himself that systemic failures showed Pakistan was a “failing state”.

Leaked report reveals Pakistan-US ‘understanding’ on drones – The Express Tribune

So you see, your so-called friends with whom you share "decades of mutual trust and confidence" wouldn't blink a second to slap some sense into you if your nation strays from path they prescribe. That's the kind of influence money buys in Pakistan.
 
It depends on what perspective you see things from. This is how Saudis see your Pakistani Prime Minister, as their private butler:

"Nawaz Sharif, specifically, is very much Saudi Arabia's man in Pakistan," Mr. Alwaleed says

This is how the Americans treated your DG of the ISI. Honestly, I'd have been scared saying that to someone who had a registered firearm on him.



Leaked report reveals Pakistan-US ‘understanding’ on drones – The Express Tribune

So you see, your so-called friends with whom you share "decades of mutual trust and confidence" wouldn't blink a second to slap some sense into you if your nation strays from path they prescribe. That's the kind of influence money buys in Pakistan.



Again Comparing Apples With Oranges.I Again Repeat with Insistence India Is Not Saudia China or USA For That Matter.You Can't Compare Pakistan's Relations With India To Relations With These Countries
 
Again Comparing Apples With Oranges.I Again Repeat with Insistence India Is Not Saudia China or USA For That Matter.You Can't Compare Pakistan's Relations With India To Relations With These Countries

If you say so. :angel:
 
Technically...The best route that China can get to ship its product to both Central,South and Eastern Part of China is through the route of Western India (Somewhere in Gujurat Coast then move thorough Tibet to connect to South China,Eastern China and Tibet, Move through Northen India to West China.

Ecnomically passage through India makes perfect economic sense...but again...Pakistan has advantage that it has good relation with China for more than 50 year and also Pak GOV can be controlled as per the wish of the China GOV which may not happen for Indian GOV.....
 
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