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Reporting from Islamabad, Pakistan— Loud and combative, Fauzia Wahab is unafraid to denounce mullahs or defend deeply unpopular America. In recent weeks, however, the liberal lawmaker has sat hunkered down in her home in Karachi, rarely stepping out her front door.

Islamic militants elsewhere in Pakistan have assassinated a Cabinet minister and a prominent governor since the first of the year. But the Taliban and other violent extremist organizations aren't the only cause for concern.

The killings of Minority Affairs Minister Shahbaz Bhatti this month and Punjab Gov. Salman Taseer on Jan. 4 have exposed just how deep extremism has seeped into Pakistani society.

When Taseer's assassin, a 26-year-old police commando, made his first court appearance, lawyers in their traditional black suits and black ties greeted him with kisses and a cascade of rose petals.

A weak and corrupt government, led by the secular Pakistan People's Party, or PPP, has proved powerless. Even as it has launched military offensives against the Taliban in several areas, it has sought to appease militants in everyday society. And it has barely tried to stem the tide of radicalization in universities, the news media, security forces, political parties and even the legal community.

The military and intelligence communities also have the power to intervene. But both have ties to Islamic militants that go back decades.

"I have been advised by everyone to go home, to go into hibernation," Wahab, a ruling party member, said during a telephone interview from her home. "What else can I do? Am I supposed to come out on the road and say, 'Come on and kill me?' They are roaming around, and our lives are under threat."

The country's leaders have conspicuously steered clear of the issue that cost Taseer and Bhatti their lives: a blasphemy law that makes it a crime to insult the prophet Muhammad, the Koran or Islam. Human rights advocates say the law is frequently used to settle scores or persecute minorities, particularly Christians. Those found guilty may face the death penalty.

Both Taseer and Bhatti, a Christian, spoke out against the law. But after Taseer's assassination, leaders of the ruling party dropped any talk of revising the law; instead they vowed to not tamper with it.

Extremists were unconvinced and responded with a steady stream of death threats. Sherry Rehman, a leading PPP lawmaker who had proposed amendments to the law, received a spate of them. She has pulled back the amendments and, like Wahab, sits holed up in her Karachi home.

Although Wahab hasn't spoken out about the blasphemy issue, she received threats after saying CIA contractor Raymond Davis, who is accused of murdering two Pakistani men in January, has diplomatic immunity and should be released. Wahab has also accused Pakistan's judiciary of being soft on militants.

Ayaz Amir, a journalist and lawmaker with the main opposition PML-N party, said the killings of the two politicians "have reduced the space for rational talk; people are afraid right now."

"In private, politicians will talk about these things, but on the floor of parliament, on talk shows and in the press, they prefer to keep quiet," Amir said. "This encourages an atmosphere of intolerance to spread."

No institution appears immune. At the prestigious University of the Punjab, a radical group has clamped down on anything it deems un-Islamic, be it music classes or male and female students being seen together. When a professor had several of the group's students expelled for violent behavior last year, other members severely beat him with rods and sticks.

Even the upper chamber of parliament, the Senate, has been affected. After Taseer was assassinated, a move to offer a traditional memorial prayer was rejected, which observers said reflected the raw emotions caused by differences over the blasphemy law.

Meanwhile, extremist groups have been emboldened.

At a rally last month called by Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a group regarded in the West as a front for the banned militant organization Lashkar-e-Taiba, more than 20,000 Pakistanis jammed a highway in the eastern city of Lahore to hear Islamist leaders urge the government to establish a ministry for jihad, or holy war. India and the West have accused Lashkar-e-Taiba of masterminding the terrorist attacks in Mumbai in 2008 that killed more than 160 people.

"I can assure you that the funding for this ministry will be given by [Jamaat-ud-Dawa], and we will present a million trained sons of ours for this purpose," the group's political affairs chief, Hafiz Abdul Rehman Makki, told the crowd. "Give these million warriors of God AK-47s!"

Analysts say radical groups can attract large numbers because the government, hopelessly mired in corruption and inefficiency, doesn't provide the unemployed, discouraged masses with much of an alternative.


Pakistan extremism: In Pakistan, Islamic extremism's reach runs deep - latimes.com
 
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No arguments there. The country needs to deal with this problem with an iron fist, it will take brute force to quell down this problem.
 
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I thought Fozia Wahab resigned after she claimed that Raymond Davis had diplomatic immunity which turned out to be false.
 
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Jamaat-ud-Dawa a banned organisation still operates in the open and continues with hate speeches againist Jews and Hindus kafir's nothing will change the Pakistani goverment is powerless to act. :tdown:
 
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Jamaat-ud-Dawa a banned organisation still operates in the open and continues with hate speeches againist Jews and Hindus kafir's nothing will change the Pakistani goverment is powerless to act. :tdown:

JUD is free in Pakistan as they are not found guilty of anything...and yes we have freedom of speech ..
 
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JUD is free in Pakistan as they are not found guilty of anything...and yes we have freedom of speech ..


JUD is banned by UN and last time i checked Pakistan was a member unless u don't care for international law? anyway it is your country do as you wish but you wont get my sympathy when you get bombed every day like you are getting now, you created this jihadi frankenstein monster and you will reap what u sow.
 
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JUD is banned by UN and last time i checked Pakistan was a member unless u don't care for international law? anyway it is your country do as you wish but you wont get my sympathy when you get bombed every day like you are getting now, you created this jihadi frankenstein monster and you will reap what u sow.

JUD was banned by UN and all there centers in majors cities were closed...But as they are not culprits so they are free ....suicide bombers are different category ,they are brainwashed young people , As we consider good Taliban and bad Taliban .You cant say "you reap what you sow " everyone knows the big game...
 
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JUD was banned by UN and all there centers in majors cities were closed...But as they are not culprits so they are free ....suicide bombers are different category ,they are brainwashed young people , As we consider good Taliban and bad Taliban .You cant say "you reap what you sow " everyone knows the big game...


Have you heard there speeches? you know before 26/11 JUD had a website which has now been blocked if i told you what was on that site then you would see how they made lies and talked hate about Hinduism and other religions even though they are banned their ideology still exist and they continue in open to promote 'holy war' they even said Pak goverment should make a Ministry of Jihad, they can change their names 1000x but they are a front still of LET.
 
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Have you heard there speeches? you know before 26/11 JUD had a website which has now been blocked if i told you what was on that site then you would see how they made lies and talked hate about Hinduism and other religions even though they are banned their ideology still exist and they continue in open to promote 'holy war' they even said Pak goverment should make a Ministry of Jihad, they can change their names 1000x but they are a front still of LET.

Your own court free two Indian Muslims ( i dont remember their names) who were suspected to involved in 26/11 and have only links with Hafiz Saeed .As no evidence were found against them so they are free..so it is clear that JUD was not involved in mumbai attacks..

yes i heard his speeches and also indian conspiracies...
 
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Your own court free two Indian Muslims ( i dont remember their names) who were suspected to involved in 26/11 and have only links with Hafiz Saeed .As no evidence were found against them so they are free..so it is clear that JUD was not involved in mumbai attacks..

yes i heard his speeches and also indian conspiracies...


But your own FIA has provided evidence on JUDs involvement in Mumbai terror attacks..on the basis of which 6 of your terrorists were indicted.
 
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Your own court free two Indian Muslims ( i dont remember their names) who were suspected to involved in 26/11 and have only links with Hafiz Saeed .As no evidence were found against them so they are free..so it is clear that JUD was not involved in mumbai attacks..

yes i heard his speeches and also indian conspiracies...


If your talking about Fahim Ansari yes he has been acquitted in the Mumbai terror attack but that does mean JUD is not a front for LET if you don't believe India media which i can understand watch this docu by a western journalist:


Unreported World is granted rare access to the Pakistan headquarters of what the US and UN say is a front organisation for one of the world's biggest terrorist networks, and the organisation behind the 2008 Mumbai attacks.

While the group says it's a charity set up to help the poor, reporter Evan Williams talks to insiders, government ministers and terrorism experts to investigate the truth about an organisation that has expanded its activities from Kashmir to attacking western targets outside Pakistan.

Williams and director Will West begin their journey in Lahore, the capital of Pakistan's Punjab province. They have a meeting with Asadullah, a member of Lashkar-e-Taiba - 'The Army of the Righteous'. The terrorist organisation has been directly blamed for the Mumbai attacks that killed 173 people, and a string of other deadly attacks in India. Asadullah tells Williams he and 26 friends fought in Kashmir, but he was the only one who survived.

Lashkar's terrorist activities led to it being banned in Pakistan. But the United Nations says it is now operating in the country under a new name - Jamaat-ud-Dawa - and the UN continues to view it as a terrorist front organisation. JuD claims it is no more than an Islamic charity, and denies it is a front for Lashkar and its terrorism.

Williams and West travel to a village on the outskirts of Lahore. It was once a Lashkar military training camp, but now it is the JuD headquarters. They've been granted very rare access to the organisation's facilities.

Opponents claim that this centre is used to raise funds that are then channelled into terrorism - a claim denied by JuD. Senior members of the organisation, together with a government official, show the team around, stressing the charitable work they say they carry out, including providing medical care and education for thousands of nearby villagers.

Their spokesperson says that supplies are donated by supportive businesses across Pakistan. He also says that India was behind the decision to label the group a terrorist organisation, and that it is completely separate to Lashkar. However, the group's leaders get jumpy at growing disquiet with the team's presence, telling Williams and West that they can no longer guarantee their safety. The team is then escorted out of the compound.

Back in Lahore, Williams talks to one of the country's most authoritative writers, Ahmed Rashid. He says that every time Lashkar has come under pressure, it changes its name and closes its bank accounts, before opening up a new office and new account and reappearing in a new light. He claims everyone still calls Jamaat-ud-Dawa Lashkar-e-Taiba because that's what they are.

The team follows up this claim in a meeting with Rana Sanaullah Khan, Punjab's Law Minister, and asks him why, when the rest of the world says Jamaat-ud-Dawa is a front for terrorism, the Pakistani government tolerates them. Khan says that, although many people in JuD do good work, it's not just a charity. He claims that some JuD people are carrying out terrorist activities in Kashmir, but that he fears that if the organisation was banned, it would respond with a wave of suicide attacks.

The strength of the organisation is clear when the team visits the group's main mosque, which, a spokesman says, on a good day has up to 10,000 people.

To hear another view on why JuD is allowed to continue in Pakistan, Unreported World meets the former intelligence chief who was responsible for setting up many of Pakistan's militant groups. Hamid Gul is now retired but remains politically involved in the struggle for Kashmir.

He tells Williams that if Islamist militants triumph in neighbouring Afghanistan, a new wave of radicalised fighters will turn their attention to Kashmir. 'There will be uprising in Kashmir, massive uprising,' he says. 'Maybe it will lead to an armed conflict between the two countries - and then the Jihadis will be the right arm of the Pakistan army.'



Unreported World - 4oD - Channel 4
 
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Re: The point about the Punjab University, IJT, the student wing of the JI, is notorious for having used cigar cutters as finger cutters in UofPunjab. They've attacked Ahmedi students enmass not long ago. They have a moral police division of their own who break musical instruments, force women to 'cover themselves' (read don't wear 'western clothes') and beat up people who they find in the company of females.
 
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The thread is about how Pakistan uses kid gloves with Islamic extremists, some Indian friends seem to want a my terrorists are better then your terrorists thread - think that one over, because we will give you just that -- the thread is about an important issue, you will have noted that Maulana Fazl ul Rahman, the party boss of the Jamaat e Ulema e Pakistan has escaped a second assassination attempt on his life -- by the way the JUI is known as the trainer of Taliban, the so called "seminaries" or madaress that JUI runs have become notorious given their graduates.

The Jamaat e Islami, a political party inspired by totalitarian ideals combines what it insists is Islam with totalitarian ideals to craft what it insists is the Ideology or weaponization of Islam -- these are examples of the kinds of extremist ideas that find expression in the Pakistani political life -- is it any wonder that pakistan deal with these kinds of people with kid gloves?? And of course then there is the Wahabi of Arabia andf the patronage to Sunni extremist gangs and their influence in the Pakistan armed forces.
 
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