Pakistan finally becoming a nation state?

[Multani]

We are better shut. This is time to rebuild our own home first.

Jerusalem is Haram Sharif.

 

[Cheetah786]

Pakistani Shia Muslims don't seem to forget Karbala Sharif and Najaf Sharif right? They are also a million miles away and in trouble.

I am sorry what does this has to do with Karbla or Najaf ? My mullahs friend did you forget Hizbullah and Iran against Israel and its Arab allies.

If your holy sites are in Palestine shouldn't you ask the ones you pray to 'House of saud' to stop supporting Israel first before you give me a lesson.

And if you feel so strong about this cause instead of telling us like typical pakistani mullah why dont you fly to Palestine.

 

[Multani]

Muslim countries dont give a hoot when it comes to Pakistan. Just look at Saudi Arabia after visiting Pakistan they went to India and entered into a strategic agreement with the Indians "Pakistan's arch rival"

This is how they repay us for what we have done for them. I think that plenty of Pakistanis are still naive enough to worry more about Palestine than their own country however this trend is now in a downwards spiral. I hope this continues. Pakistanis need to worry about how to take Pakistan out from the crisis that it is caught in.

No one is asking Pakistan not to take care of itself. Its not give and take here. Its not about selfishness. Its not about being naïve or smart.

The fact on the ground is that Jerusalem is Haram Sharif. Jerusalem is Bait al Maqdis.

We Muslims have three holy sites

1) Makkah Sharif
2) Madina Sharif
3) Bait al Maqdis

 

[Kompromat]

Jerusalem is Haram Sharif.

Not just for us, for Jews and Christians as well so it has to be shared. Geographically its first an Arab responsibility, then Turkish, then perhaps ours. We cannot afford the Islam ki thekedari anymore.

 

[Multani]

why dont you fly to Palestine.

Pakistani Shia Muslims have been protesting as much for our third Haram Sharif, Jerusalem, as much as for Karbala Sharif and Najaf Sharif that are at the moment in danger.

 

[IceCold]

No one is asking Pakistan not to take care of itself. Its not give and take here. Its not about selfishness. Its not about being naïve or smart.

The fact on the ground is that Jerusalem is Haram Sharif. Jerusalem is Bait al Maqdis.

We Muslims have three holy sites

1) Makkah Sharif
2) Madina Sharif
3) Bait al Maqdis

Pakistan comes first and foremost. We have a responsibility and if and when shit hits the fan, we will react, we always have but we cannot go every where. We are stretched too thin.

Middle East countries are going jack to resolve this crisis. The Pathetic response for OIC is just an example. If they are not willing to stand for Palestine, that we should avoid getting into unnecessary conflict with the Israelis.

On a side note i am of this opinion that we should accept Israel. Israel is a reality which is not going anywhere. Pakistan is not helping by choosing not to recognize them. Infact we can play a better role as mediator if we accept Israel as a country.

 

[JonAsad]

Well let me just point out that those Pakistani people who can stand and watch innocent Ahmadi's being violently attacked are not capable of feeling any sympathy for anyone. So really, why do you expect them to feel or react to those innocent people being killed in Gaza. They have always been like this, you just never noticed because they were Ahmadi's.

maybe the reason-

 

[Multani]

Not just for us, for Jews and Christians as well so it has to be shared. Geographically its first an Arab responsibility, then Turkish, then perhaps ours. We cannot afford the Islam ki thekedari anymore.

I am talking about the Haram Sharif of Muslims. There is no difference between Makkah Mukarramah, Madina Munawwarah, and Bait al Madqis from Haram Sharif stand point of view.

It is Haram Sharif.

 

[Kompromat]

I am talking about the Haram Sharif of Muslims. There is no difference between Makkah Mukarramah, Madina Munawwarah, and Bait al Madqis from Haram Sharif stand point of view.

It is Haram Sharif.

For you. For me, Lahore, Multan, Islamabad, Karachi and all of those pinds are no less 'holy' where my people are starving and breathing under an uncertain future. Haram will be protected with or without us, but our own people can't. Our efforts for the next 30 years should be to rebuild Pakistan into an economic, social and military power. Only than maybe we can afford to take our share of Islamic thekedari.

 

[Cheetah786]

[ Pakistani Shia Muslims have been protesting as much for our third Haram Sharif, Jerusalem, as much as for Karbala Sharif and Najaf Sharif that are at the moment in danger.

I know you will avoid these question at all cost, but i will ask any way.

1)Egypt backed by House of saud is helping enforce the blockade on Palestinians to help out Israel yes or No.

2)Arabs states are allied with Israel yes or No.

When you answer these two questions then i will answer yours i asked these 2 already and you simply avoided thees and keep making it shia issue.

Iranians military is present at both of those sites protecting it from, you ready for this 'House of Saud ' and Israel trained and financed terrorist ISIS. So where are Sunni/Wahhabi Arab tanks and fighter jets to protect the Holy sites you keep talking about.

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan’s zombie-like response to the Gaza killings

Tuesday, 15 July 2014


While Israeli jets pounded Gaza with sophisticated bombs over the last two weeks, indiscriminately killing unarmed men, women and children before an unresponsive world conscience, the lukewarm reaction to this bloodshed from the Pakistanis seems out of place.

Although Pakistani people, particularly women and children, watch in horror the pictures of mutilated, blood soaked bodies of Palestinian children, women and men, the trauma and anger is not translating into any worthwhile protests which has been the hallmark of the country in such cases in the past.

The Pakistani “silence” is all the more disturbing for Pakistani people, especially after they have been watching video clips on social media over the last couple of months showing the besieged people of Gaza calling the Pakistan army to come for their rescue against the Israeli aggression.

Pakistan’s reluctant and slow response to the latest Palestinian crisis is perhaps because Islamabad has been deeply engaged in its own web of crises; including escalating terrorism emanating from country’s unwise jumping on the bandwagon of the U.S.-led war on terror.

Too inward looking

At present Pakistan is too inward looking to attend to any foreign crisis. Its army is engaged in a fierce final phase of a decade long war against the Taliban militants in the tribal region bordering Afghanistan. The operation is aimed at flushing out the militants from the final stronghold of the Taliban and resulted in displacing about a million civilians from the region requiring huge resources to provide them shelter, food and medicines during the holy month of Ramadan.

The Pakistani foreign office issued a belated customary statement condemning Tel Aviv for the bloodletting of unarmed civilians and calling upon the world to take concrete measures to resolve the Palestinian issue to bring the crisis to an end. The media followed it by taking up the issue but not giving it the kind of priority the Palestine issue used to take 10 to 15 years ago.

Islamist leaders like Jamaat-ud-Dawah’s Hafiz Muhammad Saeed and pro-Ikhwan party Jamaat-e-Islami’s Sirajul Haq have begun bringing their workers out on the streets for protests. But the political scene was being confused by some strange political characters like Dr. Tahirul Qadri who is running an anti-government campaign funded by donations collected from Western countries.

Unusual enthusiasm

Pakistan, in the past, has shown unusual enthusiasm in displaying sympathy and support to different causes of brother Muslim people elsewhere in the world.

Though the majority of Pakistanis suffer from illiteracy, their love for Islam and fellow Muslims is overwhelming. This love knows no bounds when it comes to expressing support on the streets and through giving generous donations.

On a number of occasions in the past, Pakistani Muslims have responded to international acts. Whether it was the issue of the blasphemous caricature in the European press, or the setting ablaze of the Holy Quran by U.S. Pastor Terry Jones, or the murder of Muslim women in European countries for wearing hijab by Islam haters, Pakistanis had always responded to such gruesome acts by registering strong protests on the streets which often turned out to be violent.

Similarly, in cases of Muslim genocide in Palestine, Indian-held Kashmir, Bosnia, Chechnya and Myanmar, Pakistanis went further than raising their voices for these causes but also helped out by generously donating for their oppressed brethren engaged in a struggle for freedom against the occupant armies.

The kind of spark in their resilience shown by Pakistani Muslims in the past, even by sudden and spontaneous responses to the causes of Muslim world, can be judged by the widespread violent protests against the blasphemous caricatures in the European press in early 2006.

The old Pakistan

I can vividly recall that during the early 1990s when the U.S. launched its first gulf war on Iraq, Pakistan did not have many supporters of Saddam Hussain and common people hardly knew him in Pakistan. Yet a religious leader, Shah Ahmad Noorani (late), gave a call to the masses to hold demonstrations against the U.S. and in support of Saddam. It was amazing that tens of thousands of people emerged out of nowhere and gathered on the major streets. They blocked the major parts of Karachi within a few hours.

That was the story of a past Pakistan. The present day Pakistan has become a tough place to live for the common man because of spiraling price-hikes, unemployment, street crimes and power cuts that leave most parts of the day without electricity, forcing the industries to shut down and businessmen to shift their businesses and industries to other countries.

Alas, the unwise and power hungry rulers have badly spoiled the resilient Islamic character of a nuclear Pakistan to the extent of leading the courageous and loving people of the country into ideological trauma where they are silently watching the helpless Palestinian women and children being killed.

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Mansoor Jafar is Editor of Al Arabiya Urdu based in Islamabad. He can be reached via Twitter: @mansoorjafar

Last Update: Tuesday, 15 July 2014 KSA 18:05 - GMT 15:05

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...ombie-like-response-to-the-Gaza-killings.html


I think the author is right. I also think that this is EXACTLY what Pakistan needs right now. Fix home before going crazy for others. E.Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Bosnia, Somalia....we have learned our lesson!

Pakistan is not a nation state and never will be and the slow response to Gaza will soon hurt us massively and among public it was not in fact for first time I saw liberals supporting Jihadis like HAMAS and but if we try to become nation you would end up seeing another 1971

 

[Kompromat]

Pakistan is not a nation state and never will be and the slow response to Gaza will soon hurt us massively and among public it was not in fact for first time I saw liberals supporting Jihadis like HAMAS and but if we try to become nation you would end up seeing another 1971

With ease you disassociate yourself from Pakistan gets me worried about your mental state. Go and join Hammas. Keep Pakistan out of it. Palestine is not our business!!

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

The reason why we Pakistanis and Muslims all around world are weak, is because we are not united. We are all divided into different races and sects. We look down upon each other on basis of color and races. Rather calling ourself musalman we call our self Shia Sunni. This is the main plight of Muslims.
If we wish to see muslim ummah to lead world from front then we should unite and should fight as one unit against our enemies like Taliban, corrupt politicians, isis, Israel etc.

 

[Cheetah786]

The reason why we Pakistanis and Muslims all around world are weak, is because we are not united. We are all divided into different races and sects. We look down upon each other on basis of color and races. Rather calling ourself musalman we call our self Shia Sunni. This is the main plight of Muslims.
If we wish to see muslim ummah to lead world from front then we should unite and should fight as one unit against our enemies like Taliban, corrupt politicians, isis, Israel etc.

Every time you turn around there is another one crawling out from under the rock "what about ummah".

 

[VCheng]

I think the author is right. I also think that this is EXACTLY what Pakistan needs right now. Fix home before going crazy for others. E.Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Bosnia, Somalia....we have learned our lesson!

Have Pakistanis really learned the lesson? Really?

Are we ready to put Pakistan above the notion of "ummah" and solve its problems first before trying to go all jihadi on others?