Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Scorpiooo]

Either New/used F16 will be coming in future or Not. PAF need backup Plan in medium category category from Chinese or any 3rd country till project azam materialized

This backup plan can be J10x, j31 or any other practical option (depend on loan option availability)

Russian su 35, mig 35 can be good alternative, but non practical due to CAATSA risk (so they almost out).

In coming years heavyweight fighters will become major requirement for naval protection

 

[Tornado23]

Everyone here is quick to criticise but not so good at providing alternatives.

What if Pakistan refuses? What then? Are people aware of the amount of shit that can befall us?

Forget spares for F-16s or any new missiles for them

Expect pressure on European suppliers like Germany and Italy to stop supplying us

Expect a ton of shit from IMF/WB/FATF

Expect a possible state sponsor of terrorism designation

Expect India to jump and host US Forces.


But sure. instead of thinking about these things lets just carry on and make stupid prostitution analogies....

Hence why it's better to invest more in indigenous weaponry then to rely on external suppliers.

We should've done/ should do what China has done. Reverse engineer EVERYTHING.

Tow atgms, helicopters, fighter jets, naval ships, submarines, engines, etc etc. Reverse engineer and improve them.

 

[PakFactor]

Either New/used F16 will be coming in future or Not. PAF need backup Plan in medium category category from Chinese or any 3rd country till project azam materialized

This backup plan can be J10x, j31 or any other practical option (depend on loan option availability)

Russian su 35, mig 35 can be good alternative, but non practical due to CAATSA risk (so they almost out).

In coming years heavyweight fighters will become major requirement for naval protection

From my source we can expect J-10 to fly in PAF before next March 23rd 2022 the deal is in the final legs. As per him it's capabilities are as good as F-16C.

 

[Blacklight]

From my source we can expect J-10 to fly in PAF before next March 23rd 2021 the deal is in the final legs. As per him it's capabilities are as good as F-16C.

 

[PakFactor]

My bad corrected the date -- I was working on some business accounts and 2021 was on my mind lol.

 

[Scorpiooo]

From my source we can expect J-10 to fly in PAF before next March 23rd 2022 the deal is in the final legs. As per him it's capabilities are as good as F-16C.

Any info abouts numbers?

 

[Blacklight]

From my source we can expect J-10 to fly in PAF before next March 23rd 2022 the deal is in the final legs. As per him it's capabilities are as good as F-16C.

When you say F16C, it is a very ambiguous statement.

Blks 25, 30/32, 40/42, 50/52, 70/72 are all "C's"

 

[PakFactor]

Any info abouts numbers?

He didn't say, and I also asked about sensors and other things he kept quite.

 

[Scorpiooo]

When you say F16C, it is a very ambiguous statement.

Blks 25, 30/32, 40/42, 50/52, 70/72 are all "C's"

May be they mean black 50/52. As general info J10C is still behind block 70 even can say even behind block 60

 

[PakFactor]

When you say F16C, it is a very ambiguous statement.

Blks 25, 30/32, 40/42, 50/52, 70/72 are all "C's"

50/52 according to him.

 

[Raider 21]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1401041088295677952

23rd March 91 flypast rehearsal. On the actual day of the flypast, one of the aircraft was flown by the pilot at the beginning of the video in the front seat of a B model and the cameraman in the back. Flypast was led by the the legendary Mickey Abbas.

 

[Blacklight]

50/52 according to him.

J10 with an AESA radar, and Chinese haveglass - shouldn't that be closer to Blk70/72?

 

[PakFactor]

J10 with an AESA radar, and Chinese haveglass - shouldn't that be closer to Blk70/72?

This was his message below:

A short answer to your question: The J-10s would likely be in the PAF by next 23 March flypast!

In some areas, the J-10 is better than F-16C Black 50/52. The radar is an AESA type, and the PL-15 makes it very lethal. Internal fuel of both is the same. I cannot say much about the sensors, etc.

@Blacklight

Note: I did ask him about Project AZM he completely avoided the topic and and asked him again honestly didn't show much interest in it or much enthusiasm.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Aamir Hussain]

I think a deal could be done on basing. If the US were to lease 2 bases Pak could in return demand release of CSF or ask for EDA. As it's Army involved in these negotiations I expect some quid pro quo is the bases do go ahead. No way would we let a foreign country operate out of Pak while the same foreign country denies us weapons systems. If the basing negotiations fail then expect US to try and come down hard on us.

Yasser (If that is your name) the game is no longer this simple. If this was the on the table, GoP would have played along easily. But to me, it seems, things are not so much in black and white anymore. Our neighbors in the east know how to bargain and if they are out destroy Pakistani inroads into export of Basmati rice, would they accept acquisition of war material and release of funds that can be used to acquire major US defense articles by Pakistan? I think not.

It is no longer possible for us get major defense articles from US in light of India's importance to US viz a viz China containment policy of US and its Allies in Indo-Pacific theater. India, in their scheme of things plays a pivotal role in a possible outbreak of hostilities. It is earmarked to act as a major staging area to launch counter operations if Taiwan is threatened in any way. Furthermore, between, India, Japan, and Korea all three nations are equipping themselves as blue water navies with air operations capability. All three nations are gearing up their Attack Helo Fleets and upgrading their armored forces. Not to speak of their air forces and heavy lift capability. The plan is to drain China economically and divert funding from major infrastructure initiatives like Belt and Road etc. towards military spend and take the game away from China.

So from where I sit, to me, it just ain't gonna happen!!!