Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Tipu7]

If things moves along well my ideal number would be 150-160

No, not that many.

 

[Scorpiooo]

A

If things moves along well my ideal number would be 150-160

At max 2 sqr

 

[mingle]

A

At max 2 sqr

Two are low Atleast 55-65 jets PAF should add will help us to retire Some Mirages as well

 

[TsAr]

That's just wishful thinking on the part of Pakistan.

its not wishful thinking my friend, just read what Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr said in the latest pentagon briefing.

Agree to the organization but Jehad was being waged even before Pakistan stepped in in the late 70s. During the US INVASION to which I specifically referred there was no help from Pakistan. One thing we need to be aware of is that arms and ammo and organization is a need but the Afghan spirit to wage jehad was what won them both the wars. There are other factors mainly terrain and the ruggedness of it. The awareness of how to utilize the terrain to one's advantage cannot be taught by outsiders.
We Pakistanis have had a role but to say that there would have been no jehad without Pakistan is a fallacy.
A

Agree on the bold part, even before the soviets invaded into to Afghanistan, mujahedeen's started to raise there heads against the liberal Afghan govt policies. Even though it was no where near the agitation that was there at the time of USSR invasion, obviously with help from Pakistan.

 

[khanasifm]

its not wishful thinking my friend, just read what Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr said in the latest pentagon briefing.

Agree on the bold part, even before the soviets invaded into to Afghanistan, mujahedeen's started to raise there heads against the liberal Afghan govt policies. Even though it was no where near the agitation that was there at the time of USSR invasion, obviously with help from Pakistan.

The country is buying jf-17 and other stuff on Chinese loans and cannot afford western gizmos on cash or loans [emoji383] cannot pay of its loans already piled up, in imf for last 30/40 years ans decades

Not sure what is this f-16 mantra [emoji1272] based on ?

 

[TsAr]

The country is buying jf-17 and other stuff on Chinese loans and cannot afford western gizmos on cash or loans [emoji383] cannot pay of its loans already piled up, in imf for last 30/40 years ans decades

Not sure what is this f-16 mantra [emoji1272] based on ?

how did PAF manage to get the 70 plus F-16's in the first place, as far as i remember our economic situation was never in green...

 

[Scorpiooo]

We have 85 F16 till now

 

[CHI RULES]

The country is buying jf-17 and other stuff on Chinese loans and cannot afford western gizmos on cash or loans [emoji383] cannot pay of its loans already piled up, in imf for last 30/40 years ans decades

Not sure what is this f-16 mantra [emoji1272] based on ?

The CPEC is now operational and people with some know how can tell how much beneficial it is so far even without economic zones, I wonder where this money is going. Further is it true that JF17s are manufactured against Chinese loan. Meanwhile there are news that China is providing ammo to Pak on installments meanwhile credit line provided is also in form of soft loans. One should also not forget suspended coalition funds which cannot be considered as loan but a debt on US side for terrorism and infrastructure destruction in Pakistan.

Unfortunately after Gen Zia and for some part during Benazir Govt Pakistan has never played it's cards rationally. A strong lobbying and firm stance by foreign ministry can play an important role which looks absent even in PTI govt, Shah Mehmood is nothing more than B class copy of Sultan Rahi. We are unable to get so far AH1z, F16 block 70 or even V upgrades, the worst scenario is reports are there that engines for Philippine's T129 are approved meanwhile we are still wait list.

No one can deny that if PAF has proven it;s worth with old F16s blocks what a havoc they can create with newer blocks.

 

[Euro fighter]

We have 85 F16 till now

No you dont you have 73

18 block 52
55 F16/A/B some of these had a MLU but not all of them.


The biggest headache for PAF is your best air asset is USA origin who is now a strategic ally of India
It means in a war scenario no spares
USA will do all it can to prevent the war escalating and will withhold spares and force negotiation
You simply cant rely on F16 long term.

In contrast if South Koreans Japanease ot Taiwan went to war against China the USA would pour in support for F16s operations

This handicapp is massive for PAF long term this is why you keep looking to china you need uninterupted supply of parts during war not sanctions

 

[Scorpiooo]

No you dont you have 73

18 block 52
55 F16/A/B some of these had a MLU but not all of them.


The biggest headache for PAF is your best air asset is USA origin who is now a strategic ally of India
It means in a war scenario no spares
USA will do all it can to prevent the war escalating and will withhold spares and force negotiation
You simply cant rely on F16 long term.

In contrast if South Koreans Japanease ot Taiwan went to war against China the USA would pour in support for F16s operations

This handicapp is massive for PAF long term this is why you keep looking to china you need uninterupted supply of parts during war not sanctions

85 was total number including the ones we list till now

 

[Euro fighter]

85 was total number including the ones we list till now

Wrong

you have 73

you may have had 80+ delivdered but 10 F16 have been lost since 1990 in accidents

 

[Tornado23]

We have 85 F16 till now

75*

 

[Tornado23]

No you dont you have 73

18 block 52
55 F16/A/B some of these had a MLU but not all of them.


The biggest headache for PAF is your best air asset is USA origin who is now a strategic ally of India
It means in a war scenario no spares
USA will do all it can to prevent the war escalating and will withhold spares and force negotiation
You simply cant rely on F16 long term.

In contrast if South Koreans Japanease ot Taiwan went to war against China the USA would pour in support for F16s operations

This handicapp is massive for PAF long term this is why you keep looking to china you need uninterupted supply of parts during war not sanctions

75*

27 f16am
17 f16bm
9 f16a adf
4 f16b adf
12 f16c 52
6 f16d 52

 

[Scorpiooo]

No you dont you have 73

18 block 52
55 F16/A/B some of these had a MLU but not all of them.


The biggest headache for PAF is your best air asset is USA origin who is now a strategic ally of India
It means in a war scenario no spares
USA will do all it can to prevent the war escalating and will withhold spares and force negotiation
You simply cant rely on F16 long term.

In contrast if South Koreans Japanease ot Taiwan went to war against China the USA would pour in support for F16s operations

This handicapp is massive for PAF long term this is why you keep looking to china you need uninterupted supply of parts during war not sanctions

Dont worry PAA already in process of alternative from China

 

[GriffinsRule]

The CPEC is now operational and people with some know how can tell how much beneficial it is so far even without economic zones, I wonder where this money is going. Further is it true that JF17s are manufactured against Chinese loan. Meanwhile there are news that China is providing ammo to Pak on installments meanwhile credit line provided is also in form of soft loans. One should also not forget suspended coalition funds which cannot be considered as loan but a debt on US side for terrorism and infrastructure destruction in Pakistan.

Unfortunately after Gen Zia and for some part during Benazir Govt Pakistan has never played it's cards rationally. A strong lobbying and firm stance by foreign ministry can play an important role which looks absent even in PTI govt, Shah Mehmood is nothing more than B class copy of Sultan Rahi. We are unable to get so far AH1z, F16 block 70 or even V upgrades, the worst scenario is reports are there that engines for Philippine's T129 are approved meanwhile we are still wait list.

No one can deny that if PAF has proven it;s worth with old F16s blocks what a havoc they can create with newer blocks.

You can also look at the approval for Philippine with Quad and China in mind. US is desperate to mend or strengthen its relations with SE Asian nations so this approval will earn them favor for trying to base Marines there.