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Pakistan better than US at gun control

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March 14, 2018
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The president of the United States has vowed to arm teachers and refused to raise the age limit for purchasing guns. The White House announced on Sunday that the Trump administration will increase existing funds for the justice department to arm and train teachers and other staff at schools in using firearms. This is intended to ‘harden’ schools as targets against mass shootings.

Recently, 17 people were killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school in Parkland, Florida when a 19-year old former student opened fire. It was the deadliest shooting since 2012, when 26 people were killed at Sandy Hook, Connecticut. Mass shootings in the US are not new. On average, one mass shooting is recorded per day in the US. One commentator writing in the New York Times wrote that ‘Americans have accepted these common atrocities as part of life’ and that there is no ‘political will to do anything about it.’

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The US is the only developed country where mass shootings occur at such an alarming frequency. There are nearly 265 million privately owned firearms in the US. 42% of Americans live in home where someone owns a gun. Liberals and conservatives give different explanations and diagnoses for the problem and the country remains divided over it. Gun control is one of the most polarizing issues in the US. This polarization is, at least, part of the reason why nothing really gets done about it.

Southern states in the US have much more relaxed gun laws in the US as compared with Northern States. It’s not a surprising correlation that Southern States tend to vote conservative and Northern States tend to vote liberal. Liberals argue that more and better gun control is the solution to mass shootings. The state of Vermont allows people as young as 16 to buy handguns without parental consent. One can also easily buy guns online at stores such as Guns America and Cabelas. There are states where the legal age for buying guns is lower than the legal age for driving or drinking. The liberal argument, fundamentally, is that being able to buy guns so easily inevitably leads to mass shootings.

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Conservatives firmly believe that “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The right to bear arms is guaranteed in the second amendment of the US constitution. Conservatives argue that liberal demands for gun control are an attempt to take away American citizens’ last defense against the forces of totalitarianism. They argue that in the event of a martial law, the citizens should be able to organize and arm themselves against a tyrannical government. In the 18th century, arms would refer to weapons with little more firepower than muskets. Technically, the second amendment allows citizens to possess nuclear weapons as well. That is, of course, a ridiculous assertion.

The debate in the US continues and mass shootings show no sign of stopping.

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Pakistan, on the other hand, despite the challenges it has faced in terms of security especially since 9/11, has done a better job at gun control than the US. Even though there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of minor and major terrorist attacks in Pakistan since September of 2001, Pakistan has managed to bring these attacks under control significantly. A look at Pakistan’s gun control regime shows why Pakistan is not suffering from the problem of regular mass shootings as the US.

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The total number of privately owned firearms in Pakistan is estimated to be around 18,000,000, according to a report by small arms survey. It must be noted that the proliferation of these firearms in Pakistan occurred during and after the Afghan Jihad. Thus, Pakistan is ranked 6th in terms of civilian owned firearms. The US is at number one. As of 2014, the total number of licensed gun owners in Pakistan was 352, 843 i.e. the total number of licenses granted under the Ministry of Interior. 0.18% of Pakistani citizens have a license for firearms as compared to 37% of US citizens.

Pakistan’s National Report (2016) under the UN Program of Action (PoA) on Small and Light Weapons (SLAW) shows that Pakistan has been a vocal proponent of arms control at the national level, sub-regional and regional as well as the global level. An elaborate legal, administrative and regulatory regime exists in Pakistan to check the flow of weapons. The Arms Ordinance 1965 and the Illicit Arms Act 1991 provide the legal basis for exercising controls over the sale and purchase of firearms in Pakistan, as per the UN Programme of Action. A very strict criterion for issuance of arms licenses has been established by the Arms Control Policy 2012. The authority for approval for possessing automatic weapons exists solely with the Prime Minister.

According to import policy of the government of Pakistan, only authorized arms dealers or the Pakistan Ordnance Factory are allowed to deal in imports of Non-Prohibited Bore Weapons. The annual Import and Export Policy Order issued by the ministry of Commerce covers all restrictions and controls of firearms. All arms licenses at the federal and provincial levels are being computerized through the National Data Base and Registration Authority (NADRA) to develop a central computerized record of all authorized firearms in the country. Stockpiles are securely maintained by the Armed Forces of Pakistan as per standard operating procedures.



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Marking is made on the weapon that includes details such as the year of manufacture, serial number etc. The manufacturers are also required to maintain an updated record of all weapons at all times. Procedures are also in place for tracing of firearms, in case there is some error or discrepancy in record keeping.

This is a summary of the methods used by the Pakistan government to maintain gun control in the country. Perhaps, the US could learn a thing or two from Pakistan in this endeavor.
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The US is also very good at car strikes.
 
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Illegal guns caused havoc in Karachi thanks to strict measures on Afghan border things are now under control and our murder rate is falling

The US is also very good at car strikes.
From what i have observed during the debates on guns in US their guns are their religion they are not just for protection
 
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This orange head turd will turn the schools into battle fields. With teachers carrying arm and a lot of them knuckleheads will resort to shoot the students and then group of students armed with better guns will butcher the teachers....a scene from apocalypse is about to be enacted in reality.
 
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This orange head turd will turn the schools into battle fields. With teachers carrying arm and a lot of them knuckleheads will resort to shoot the students and then group of students armed with better guns will butcher the teachers....a scene from apocalypse is about to be enacted in reality.
We actually did something similar to teachers but thankgod it never went past discussion stage
I am for eventual removal of guns from civies and only issuing of lisence for pistol in present stage you dont need rifles and shotguns for protection
 
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My @$$ is good at gun control than Pakistan's gun control ......
the author of this article is writing this piece while sitting behind a desk in his office and reviewing statistics, that is why it looked good on his computer screen with the charts and all.........
This is the Gun Control for Pakistan - especially Punjab ...... Officially, no new applications are being entertained since 2012 or Jan 2013....a small window opened up in late 2013 and early 2014 but that was closed swiftly too.....and currently only LEA / Military personnel are being issued licenses in Punjab ....they are in process of computerrizing the records of manual licenses....so Bravo to Punjab for such an amazing gun control.....they reduced the number of licenses issued in last 3 years to a 4 digit figure probably.....

But that is wrong....even today book type licenses are being made in back data by the Arm section of the local administrative departments, be it Lahore, Mianwali, Attock, or Rawalpindi, all are in this business......just pay the price of 25k and you will get an authentic license with full back record.....now you can take this license to NADRA and get it revalidated (computerized)....there is no check whether the Licensee has a criminal record - because don't forget i paid a hefty sum to the clerk to get an "All Ok Report" .......that is gun control .....

you want an unlicensed weapon deliver to your doorstep, that is also not an issue, there are dealers from Punjab, the manufacturers from KPK, DAK, who will make a deal on the whatsapp and on price of 10k, a .30 cal TT will be delivered to your doorstep.....that is Gun Control for you......

and the author is talking about Gun Control.....huh

We actually did something similar to teachers but thankgod it never went past discussion stage
I am for eventual removal of guns from civies and only issuing of lisence for pistol in present stage you dont need rifles and shotguns for protection
with all due respect, have you fired a weapon for the purpose of Sports? there is so much discipline involved, if you learn to handle yourself safely around a weapon be it a shotgun or a pistol, you get better to control your anger too.....we should be and must be promoting Weapons for the purpose of Sporting and Home defense......be it an AK or a Pistol......
 
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with all due respect, have you fired a weapon for the purpose of Sports?
Yes i have
if you learn to handle yourself safely around a weapon be it a shotgun or a pistol, you get better to control your anger too...
Can we use the same argument for drugs?
we should be and must be promoting Weapons for the purpose of Sporting and Home defense
I am actually against that we need to treat illegal guns like drugs and only after passing strict criteria should you be allowed to own guns and that too only of the pistol variety plus we need to have strict penalties for illegal gun ownership our murder rate is the highest in the region so is our gun ownership
 
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This orange head turd will turn the schools into battle fields. With teachers carrying arm and a lot of them knuckleheads will resort to shoot the students and then group of students armed with better guns will butcher the teachers....a scene from apocalypse is about to be enacted in reality.

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Too right bro.

I can see now "shooters" will come in with even more heavier weapons and body-armour to protect themselves if teachers are armed.

Tell you the truth, the USA is one messed up country and Trump is just a representation of a lot of messed up people in the USA.
 
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you be allowed to own guns and that too only of the pistol variety
Most crimes are committed by criminals armed with handguns. I believe only bolt action rifles (up to 7.62 NATO) and shotguns should be allowed to civilians. Handguns should to be strictly controlled too.
 
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18 million of us are a reason the yanks and Indian don't dare to cross the border
 
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Yes i have
good, then you should know the feeling of discipline firing and the peace of mind it brings, and how tiring it can get and how much of good sports it is.....

[quote[Can we use the same argument for drugs?[/quote] we cannot, because drugs are prohibited in religion, plus there is no safe use of drugs, prolong intake will still have an effect on your sensory system & can lead to chronic diseases ...... drug is a life taking pill - guns are life saving ......

I am actually against that we need to treat illegal guns like drugs and only after passing strict criteria should you be allowed to own guns and that too only of the pistol variety plus we need to have strict penalties for illegal gun ownership our murder rate is the highest in the region so is our gun ownership
gun reforms is what is all about, we already have a good system in place but need to implement it.....lets take Punjab Arms Act 2017 for instance - according to the act applicant to produce Medical certificate, an affidavit that he has no criminal record and is of sound mental health, verification from the local police.......now it looks good on the paper, but unfortunately no new licenses are being issued under this Act, all the licenses being made are back dated so any thug can get himself a .223 or .222 or a 7mm or .44 semi auto license and wreck havoc.....so if Punjab govt would only streamline the process and start entertaining new applications, they would be doing good for the society not bad.....this can be further improved by establishing a mandatory 2 days Gun Safety course at approved gun ranges......the benefit of this would be that you will be able to take the illiterate / undiscipline, Raja g & Malak g type banday off the table .....problem solved

moving on to the part where you say about handgun lic only for the Civies, well try hitting an intruder in your courtyard or farm at a 75m distance or 50 m or even 30 mtrs......you can't actually do that....even a shotgun or a rifle is much better suited......
 
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good, then you should know the feeling of discipline firing and the peace of mind it brings, and how tiring it can get and how much of good sports it is.....
No the first thing i felt was how easy it is to murder people with it it made such a big hole in the wall
we cannot, because drugs are prohibited in religion,
So is usary and intermixing of genders
there is no safe use of drugs,
Yes it is we use it in sleeping pills and pain killers
prolong intake will still have an effect on your sensory system & can lead to chronic diseases .
Harm the person taking it unlike guns who mainly harm someone at the other end of the barrel

Most crimes are committed by criminals armed with handguns. I believe only bolt action rifles (up to 7.62 NATO) and shotguns should be allowed to civilians. Handguns should to be strictly controlled too.
Hey i am looking for a middle ground here i am for a British style approach but i doubt it will happen in my lifetime inside Pakistan

Most crimes are committed by criminals armed with handguns. I believe only bolt action rifles (up to 7.62 NATO) and shotguns should be allowed to civilians. Handguns should to be strictly controlled too.
All of our family members have atleast one gun in their homes ours is an oddity inside our family
 
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