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*Awan*

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My dear friend Hussain Raza from PTI asked me this interesting question:



We know that Pakistan does not recognize Israel but does Israel recognize Pakistan? Or Israel recognized Pakistan but has no relations with Pakistan?



Here's my answer:



Pakistan maintains ties to Israel without having diplomatic relations. These are not full diplomatic ties but are meant to convey messages on critical issues to avoid misunderstandings. For example, Pakistan went on a high alert after our nuclear tests in 1998 when we received information India was considering allowing Israeli fighter jets to fly from Indian air bases to attack Pakistani nuclear installations. There was information that Israeli air force was present somewhere in India for that purpose. Pakistan conveyed to the US a warning: If Israelis participated in an Indian attack on Pakistan, then Pakistan will retaliate against both and not just India alone. This got the Americans worried and they arranged for a direct contact between the Pakistani and Israeli ambassadors in Washington. The Israelis gave the highest assurances they had no assets in India to be used against Pakistan. That contact diffused the immediate tensions.



Of course Pakistan was not imagining that Israel has a close military cooperation with India. Israel does have such cooperation.



In 1999, elite Israeli military units helped India avert a certain defeat in the Kargil heights of occupied Kashmir. The Israel military contribution in that small war was secret and largely remains so, but it was important enough to change the course of conflict. We are still not sure at what point Kashmiri and Pakistani fighters faced off with Israelis on the opposite side in Kargil in occupied Kashmir. Maybe Pakistani military would have more information on this. This Israeli participation in a Pakistani-Indian conflict would have remained a secret had not some Israeli diplomats in India alerted some Indian journalists, possibly as an attempt to show Indians how grateful they should be to Israeli assistance and, consequently, ensure more Indian orders for Israeli military hardware.



Israel is keen to have diplomatic relations with Pakistan. It is in Israel’s interest to win over a large Muslim nation. But whatever Pakistani contacts with Israel, Islamabad is not very keen on any immediate relations and can wait until Palestinians and Arabs sort out the dispute over Palestine and especially the question of Al-Quds, or Jerusalem, where Israelis want to control holy sites for Christians and Muslims.



A real Pakistani concern is how much Israel bolsters Indian military capabilities. In 2002, Pakistan Air Force shot down an Israeli-made unmanned Indian surveillance plane. So one can imagine Pakistani military planners are not happy with Israelis getting too much involved with the Indians.



We also need to be concerned about Israeli policy hawks who want an alliance with India because they believe the two countries can work together against Muslim nations. Many wiser Israelis and Indians understand such a policy would be suicidal for both. But such wise thinking is not enough unless it actually stops such an alliance from materializing. The verdict on this count is yet to come. One encouraging sign of this would be for Israel to hold back some technologies and weapons that India is sure to buy for one express purpose: to target Pakistan and fortify the brutal Indian military occupation in Kashmir. Let’s see how the Israelis balance this.



Overall, Israelis are keen to avoid talking or acting against Pakistan in public. They don’t want to see Pakistanis retaliating by helping Israel’s enemies. So you won’t see Israeli politicians or media condemning Pakistani nuclear program the way US officials and media do.



A little known fact: You can make telephone calls from Israel to almost all Arab and Muslim countries, possibly including Pakistan. But you can’t call Israel from Pakistan. Not that it really matters in the age of internet, but it gives you a clear idea where we and the Israelis stand in terms of policy red lines.

Ahmed Quraishi
 
Bravo!

The recognition of Israel is NO choice for us, no matter what happens Israel is not going to be recognized as a legitimate state by Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Our founding father left very clear policies for us.

Addressing a mass meeting in Bombay on November 8, 1945, Quaid e Azam said, “We Musalmans of India, are one with the Arab world on this issue. It is not a question of a National Home for Jews in Palestine. It is a question of Jews reconquering Palestine, which they had lost 2000 years ago, with the help of British bayonets and American money. I have no enmity against Jews. I know they were treated very badly in some parts of civilized Europe. But why should Palestine be dumped with such a large number of Jews? If Jews want to reconquer Palestine, let them face Arabs without British or American help”?
 
Bravo!

The recognition of Israel is NO choice for us, no matter what happens Israel is not going to be recognized as a legitimate state by Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Our founding father left very clear policies for us.

Addressing a mass meeting in Bombay on November 8, 1945, Quaid e Azam said, “We Musalmans of India, are one with the Arab world on this issue. It is not a question of a National Home for Jews in Palestine. It is a question of Jews reconquering Palestine, which they had lost 2000 years ago, with the help of British bayonets and American money. I have no enmity against Jews. I know they were treated very badly in some parts of civilized Europe. But why should Palestine be dumped with such a large number of Jews? If Jews want to reconquer Palestine, let them face Arabs without British or American help”?



U want jews to face the whole of arab land, but they should not have support of Americans and british..what a logic!!!
 
Addressing a mass meeting in Bombay on November 8, 1945, Quaid e Azam said, “We Musalmans of India, are one with the Arab world on this issue. It is not a question of a National Home for Jews in Palestine. It is a question of Jews reconquering Palestine, which they had lost 2000 years ago, with the help of British bayonets and American money. I have no enmity against Jews. I know they were treated very badly in some parts of civilized Europe. But why should Palestine be dumped with such a large number of Jews? If Jews want to reconquer Palestine, let them face Arabs without British or American help”?

Well said Quaid-e-Azam. :tup:
 
Bravo!

The recognition of Israel is NO choice for us, no matter what happens Israel is not going to be recognized as a legitimate state by Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Our founding father left very clear policies for us.

Addressing a mass meeting in Bombay on November 8, 1945, Quaid e Azam said, “We Musalmans of India, are one with the Arab world on this issue. It is not a question of a National Home for Jews in Palestine. It is a question of Jews reconquering Palestine, which they had lost 2000 years ago, with the help of British bayonets and American money. I have no enmity against Jews. I know they were treated very badly in some parts of civilized Europe. But why should Palestine be dumped with such a large number of Jews? If Jews want to reconquer Palestine, let them face Arabs without British or American help”?
you know what, i never understand liberals of my country,these uni cellular organisms always cry Jinnah Pakistan Jinnah Pakistan,but when Jinnah say something against their likings then you don't find them on those threads.
Palestine and islamic banking system are just two examples.
 
U want jews to face the whole of arab land, but they should not have support of Americans and british..what a logic!!!

Do you even know how it all started? The "Holy Land" as the jews call it, is NOT just theirs. Israel is a illegitimate son of the west, as once Quaid e Azam M. Ali Jinnah is reported to have said in public gathering. It's not about being supported by others when facing a bigger enemy, it's about what's legitimate and what's not. Israel is every sane Pakistani's view is a ILLEGAL State. I will stand on my founding fathers' words and what was decided in Khartoum Resolution, "No peace with Israel, No recognition of Israel, No negotiations with it."

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you know what, i never understand liberals of my country,these uni cellular organisms always cry Jinnah Pakistan Jinnah Pakistan,but when Jinnah say something against their likings then you don't find them on those threads.
Palestine and islamic banking system are just two examples.

Exactly! It's height of shame for us that we could not implement the true vision of our founding fathers, golden principles defined by Allama Iqbal and set by Quaid e Azam and his team are forgotten, even manipulated now. Sadly.
 
In principal, Israel has no problem with a normalisation process with Pakistan, including full diplomatic contacts. I personally pity the future Israeli ambassador in Islamabad - the security around the US embassy compound in Islamabad is a child play compared to the security rings that will be required around an Israeli embassy. :police:

However, Israel also wants to maintain its relations with India and will probably inform India on any move in the normalisation process with Islamabad in order not to make India suspicious. In addition, Israel will probably use its diplomatic contacts in Islamabad like the US - to pressurise Pakistan to stop its terror sponsoring and control its nuclear weapons. :usflag:

I am quite pessimistic and I do not see a bright future for the relations between the two countries in light of the wide spread anti-Semitism and anti-Israeli moods in the Pakistani public. This relations will no go further than Israeli's current relations with Egypt and Jordan where there too there is a high level of anti-Semitism. :undecided:

Perhaps Israel has better chance with future normalisation with other Muslim countries, such as Indonesia, Malaysia, and Bangladesh.

BTW, Israel did not risk its soldiers in Kargil in 1999, but equipped India with vital military supply that was missing, and India is indeed grateful for Israel for its quick help. As for the possibility of an air strike it is just an urban legend. According to some resources Israel considered to Attack Pakistan's nuclear facilities in the 1980's before Pakistan developed nuclear weapons (following the Israeli success to attack Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981). There was no point to attack Khauta in 1998 after Pakistan already developed nukes.

Anyway, I hope that some day Pakistan will find its way and become a peaceful country. :pakistan:
 
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