Pakistan Air Force will have to operate from Afghanistan to escape S-400: Senior Indian MoD official

[500]

All i know is....S-400 or blocking sale of F-16, it won't be able to save IAF from the wrath of PAF......

On topic... for S400, what is this for?

Impressive KORAL Land Based Radar Electronic Warfare System on aselsan booth at IDEF 2015 07051509 | IDEF 2015 Show Daily News Coverage Report | Defence security military exhibition 2015

And I have also read following comment on Quora....

"Dear Guys ,

I don't know anyone of you following Turkish defence closely but I certainly am.

A small point , Turkey has bought from Belarus a S-300 System (Only Radar sub systems , no missle included) It was around 2012-2013. From that time on they worked on that system. Taking into consideration the difference between S-400 and S-300 which is only capacity wise , They long time ago finished solved the how system is working. The Koral system is partly designed as a result of that S-300 study. When you solve S-300 , the S-400 a piece of cake.

Here is the official explanation made by Aselsan last week: The Coral system has been installed in Syria border from July 1025 on (Hatay) . And from that time until today there has been more than 1000 test in real war environment . And all of the tests showed success rate far above the expectations.

Please remember , Russian bombs fell on to PYD headquarter last week and the bombs fell on to Assads troops as a result of mistakes. The system also has the ability to misguiding Russan bombers navigation systems. I think you can imagine what is going on....

As I read from the papers , US military analysts saying the Koral System is very powerfull system high above the expectations.

The 5 system oficially accepted by Turkish air force last week after these successful tests.
The system unlike the Russian systems , is completely digital and fully automatic system with very short response time.

So please do not take lightly this system ... I think it is one of its kind which you will hear very often in the future..."

Also see following thread....

Israeli air strike on Syria

@500....if you can shed some light on myth of S 400?

Since earth is round and not flat, SAM gets blind zones. Low flying aircraft can avoid SAM. The bigger is distance the higher is blind zone. Here I made a chart:

 

[Immortan.Joe]

Iron barely works against home made rockets, You really want to deploy expensive missiles against cheap artillery and MLRS. Ho-barw in the world are you expecting to counter hundred of artillery shelling landing simultaneously with battery of 12 super expensive missile.

I think you are under a mistaken belief that India would stand down and take your artillery barrage without retaliating.

India qould not treat Pakistan as Israel treats Palestinians. Your artillery barrage would be responded by counter-artillery barrage. The advantage that Iron-Dome would provide to India is that it would shield Indian artillery and SAM systems from initial barrage while nothing would shield Pakistani artillery from Indian counter barrage, thus silencing Pakistani artillery without suffering losses.


As a lot of competent people have repeatedly stated, everything has a counter-measure and those counter-measures have their counter-measures and so on. Iron dome ,in Indian military, would not be a standalone system but a part of its whole Artillery ecosystem.

 

[HAIDER]

S400 is hype and Indian wants to buy, before China get it.....let s see who win the race. China also ordered S400

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I reckon you need to speed up a little bit in order to catch up for the updates regarding the changing cycle in the world's geopolitics.

What change? Has China stopped copying, stealing designs?

Geopolitics is different. Russia wont give up cash money for something. Even Su 35, Russia has iron clad deals that China wont "reverse engineer" it.
Anyway their political relationship has warmed or boomed, but not defence. Not to the level of Blocking sale to India.

 

[Areesh]

no you didn't win the war. You are a fanboy who thinks that you win the war. There is a difference my Israel loving bharati fanboy.

Most of the S-400s in Russia are forward deployed to the borders. They were designed for battlefield use.

Excellent for us. The probability of destroying such systems increase manifold if they are next to our borders or in our artillery range.

 

[Immortan.Joe]

It is a foolish idea. Wasting $10000 to counter something $100. And that too in hundreds.

But then you have claimed that India is going to build stealth aircraft just in 4 years.

So I can understand that you believe in such kind of moronic plans too.

MLRS rockets cost in same range as Iron dome interceptors.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Since earth is round and not flat, SAM gets blind zones. Low flying aircraft can avoid SAM. The bigger is distance the higher is blind zone. Here I made a chart:

View attachment 298685

Thanks

 

[Genghis khan1]

The Iron Dome can easily counter hundreds at once. A single battery deploys 100 interceptors, multiple batteries can protect a single location. The Israeli version has been very successful. India has decided to induct a more advanced version they are developing today. The Indian version's primary purpose is to stop the Nasr.

And the S-400 is mobile and also presents itself as a very small target for artillery. Artillery is an area damage weapon, it's not enough to defeat the S-400.

Will not works. When it can miss 6 to 7 randomly fired home made rockets, as witnessed in Gaza, it will in no way in hell can counter, 100s of simultaneously incoming shells. One shell if landed even in proximity is good enough to damage sophisticated equipment.

 

[Osiris]

Worst case scenario:
1. For that S-400 has to be deployed very close to Pakistani border, in which case even a land based artillery system can easily take out S-400.

2. Despite being deployed close to Pakistani border, Parts of Balochistan next to Iranian border will still be out of range.
3. Air bases in North Area and other mountains or Hilly terrain in other parts of the country will provide natural cover against Radar detection or to evade incoming missile lock.

Offensive Scenario:

4. S-400 max stated interception speed is Mach 11, while practically demonstrated speed is Mach 8. Even if deployed deep inside Indian territory to guard major city, Pakistan can still neutralized S-400 either using their IRBM with terminal speed ranging from Mach 15+ to Mach 19+.

5. Pakistan can also use over saturation of Air defences method used by USAF to neutralized S-400 as discussed in one of my thread before.
S-400 Triumf SAM Killer.

Lets talk about saturation.

A single unit of S-400 missile has 8 launchers or with 4 missile per launcher that is 32 missiles.
In addition there is radar vehicle, mobile command post and relay vehicles.

To completely destroy a s-400 battery ...theoretically you need 32(to engage 32 interceptors ) + 8 (for the launch vehicles) + 1 (for the command post) +1 (radar vehicle)

42 Babur or similar missile to fired with in a short period of each other to destroy one battery of S-400.

That is after you have discovered exact co-ordinates each every launcher and radar post etc.

And this is just conservative estimate for a single command post can control up to 72 launchers of 384 missiles.

Some how economics of saturation attack, will not work in your favor.

In this approach, you will end up spending all your resources in SEAD rather than able to targeting the enemy.

Which the exact purpose of such a system.

 

[Areesh]

MLRS rockets cost in same range as Iron dome interceptors.

No they are not.

And each Iron Dome Tamir missile that Israel fires — and usually two are sent up to intercept each descending rocket — costs at least $50,000.

Should Israel and the U.S. rethink Iron Dome's usefulness? - LA Times

 

[Immortan.Joe]

Your mathematics is screwed. BMD technology is more expensive than ballistic missile technology. Does that mean we shouldn't use BMD?

The Iron Dome is meant to protect a system that's worth over $1B. And the Iron Dome also doubles up to protect forward headquarters from tactical nuclear strikes. $10,000 is cheap for that purpose.

BMD is not costly compared to missiles they supposed to protect from.

Iron dome interceptors are in same range (money wise) as MLRS.

SRBM cost nearly same as their interceptors.

MRBMs and ICBMS cost 10-15 times more than their interceptors. Though sunk cost in BMD capable of defending against MRBM and ICBM is quite high.

 

[$@rJen]

no you didn't win the war. You are a fanboy who thinks that you win the war. There is a difference my Israel loving bharati fanboy.

yes we didn't win... we lost J&K to Pakistan and we're now doomed..

 

[Areesh]

yes we didn't win... we lost J&K to Pakistan and we're now doomed..

You don't have atleast 35% of your "atoot ang" though.

 

[Genghis khan1]

MLRS rockets cost in same range as Iron dome interceptors.

We are not talking about guided MLRS. Cheap area denial will do the job just fine.

 

[majid mehmood]

the max range of this missile is 400km
but of course it would decrease due to the following thing
1: india would place inside around 50-100 km
2: it detect 5m2 at 400 km so planes that modern planes will have will less than this around 3m2 max (so the range is decreased by 40-50km)
and due geographical condition and many aspects it will further reduce around 50km
so taking all these thing into account missile range might reduce to 200-250km
so statement made by indian official was totally an idiotic one