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PAKISTAN AIR FORCE CHIEF SETS EXPECTATIONS FOR NEAR AND LONG-TERM FORCE GOALS

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In an interview with Pakistan’s state-owned national television network, PTV, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Chief of Air Staff (CAS) Air Chief Marshal (ACM) Sohail Aman outlined the PAF’s near and long-term force modernization objectives. (Note: the interview is in Urdu)
Currently, the PAF is phasing out 190 legacy Chengdu F-7P and Dassault Mirage III/5 combat aircraft from its fleet (more than 50 have already been retired). With the aim to supplant these fighters by 2020, ACM Sohail Aman stated that the JF-17 Thunder, which is co-produced by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC), is at the center of these procurement efforts. ACM Aman added that the forthcoming JF-17 Block-III, the Thunder’s first majorly upgraded variant, is projected to enter production in 2019-2020.
With the PAF “very satisfied” with the JF-17, ACM Aman indicated that the Thunder will receive most of the PAF’s investment. Bringing the JF-17 to complete maturity (via the Block-III) is a priority. However, ACM Aman added that the PAF is still engaged with the U.S. about procuring additional F-16s.
The proposed purchase of eight new-built F-16C/D Block-52+ in 2016 fell through as a consequence of the U.S. Congress’ refusal to release Foreign Military Financing support to partly subsidize the deal. However, the PAF is in talks with the U.S. for those (eight) and additional aircraft.

ACM Aman mentioned efforts towards procuring a new off-the-shelf fighter. He stated that the PAF is in talks with several countries in regards to 5th-generation fighter aircraft. These talks are in the advanced stages and will be sought to “plug in” gaps. Interestingly, ACM Aman mentioned this project separately from indigenous efforts, which he said will require PAC to develop a next-generation fighter as well as its internal subsystems, such as its avionics.
The domestic development and manufacturing of a next-generation fighter is a long-term goal. Next month, Kamra Aviation City will enrol its first cohort of post-graduate engineering students, who will study disciplines directly relevant to aircraft manufacturing. Kamra Aviation City’s institutes will closely work with the aviation industry. ACM Aman emphasized the need for the PAF – and the country as a whole – to become as independent as possible in sourcing technology.
ACM Aman also confirmed that the two heavily damaged Saab 2000-based Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft were domestically repaired. He stated that the price quoted by the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) was U.S. $287 million, but the work was domestically undertaken for a much lower cost – $25 million.

Notes & Comments:
It appears that F-16s are still on the PAF’s roadmap. This is not surprising considering the infrastructure to operate these aircraft, especially the Block-15 and Block-52+, are already in place. For the PAF, these aircraft would provide the lowest acquisition and operational costs in comparison to other Western multi-role fighters. However, the focus appears to be on bringing the JF-17 Block-III to fruition and having the Thunder continue its trajectory in forming the mainstay of the PAF fighter fleet in the near-term.
ACM Aman’s comments about procuring a 5th-generation off-the-shelf fighter are unclear. On the surface, this interview alludes that there are two 5th-generation fighter initiatives; a near-term project to procure an aircraft off-the-shelf, and a long-term program to develop and manufacture a fighter at PAC. In 2016, ACM Aman clearly stated that the PAF would develop a next-generation fighter, one that could encompass attributes not found on existing 5th-generation fighters. On the other hand, the two need not be mutually exclusive; a near-term procurement could evolve into domestic manufacturing under license.

Besides the Chengdu J-20, the remainder of plausible off-the-shelf next-generation fighters are in various stages of development. The Shenyang FC-31 has reached its second prototype stage, while the Turkish TFX and Korean KFX are in the preliminary design stages. One of these could be sought for procurement in the mid-to-late 2020s, by which time many of the PAF’s F-16A/B Block-15 MLUs will touch the end of their 8,000 hour lifespans.
http://quwa.org/2017/03/29/pakistan-air-force-chief-sets-expectations-near-long-term-force-goals/
 
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I have said that PAF will keep trying to get additional F-16 block 52's .. they will try to get 18 C/D to make it 36 block 52's by 2020 until the J-31 takes shape ... and with JF-17 block 3 will be rolling out by 2018 end ( max ) 100 units will give PAF breathing Space in any upcoming war ..
If PAF manage to get their hands on new 18 block 52's and 18 more used older blocks from Jordan or any EU countries it will give a quick Boost to PAF in defense roles ..
 
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Jesus Christ!

Translation: No J10, J11, J16 or Used typhoons, no SU-35. Just perhaps J31 and alluding to another 5th generation at some point. In short, it appears as though the backbone of the PAF will entail: F-16+ JF17+J31. Plus another 5th generation in the future.

Personally I'm off the opinion that procuring more F16's are a mistake, given how unreliable the Americans are, with the world moving on to F35's, Rafales and the works.. Pakistan is still stuck with the F16 mindset- the folks across the border must be experiencing euphoria. If I were a citizen of Pakistan I'd be hella pissed at this meekly approach at keeping arch rivals India at bay; no other words to slice this cake, what a pathetic strategy.

P.S As repeated like a mantra on this forum by various sane members- Pakistan urgently requires a new (heavier) platform before the arrival of a 5th gen, instead their intent appears to be dilly-dallying around with the JF-17 for the foreseeable future, as if it's a match for the Rafales. Lack of funds they say, total hogwash.
 
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I have said that PAF will keep trying to get additional F-16 block 52's .. they will try to get 18 C/D to make it 36 block 52's by 2020 until the J-31 takes shape ... and with JF-17 block 3 will be rolling out by 2018 end ( max ) 100 units will give PAF breathing Space in any upcoming war ..
If PAF manage to get their hands on new 18 block 52's and 18 more used older blocks from Jordan or any EU countries it will give a quick Boost to PAF in defense roles ..
no dear ..... u r wrong about block 3..it wont be inducted b4 2020

Jesus Christ!

Translation: No J10, J11, J16 or Used typhoons, no SU-35. Just perhaps J31 and alluding to another 5th generation at some point. In short, it appears as though the backbone of the PAF will entail: F-16+ JF17+J31. Plus another 5th generation in the future.

Personally I'm off the opinion that procuring more F16's are a mistake, given how unreliable the Americans are, with the world moving on to F35's, Rafales and the works.. Pakistan is still stuck with the F16 mindset- the folks across the border must be experiencing euphoria. If I were a citizen of Pakistan I'd be hella pissed at this meekly approach at keeping arch rivals India at bay; no other words to slice this cake, what a pathetic strategy.

P.S As repeated like a mantra on this forum by various sane members- Pakistan urgently requires a new (heavier) platform before the arrival of a 5th gen, instead their intent appears to be dilly-dallying around with the JF-17 for the foreseeable future, as if it's a match for the Rafales. Lack of funds they say, total hogwash.
my dear AHQ is not sitting idle..just wait and watch :p:
 
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no dear ..... u r wrong about block 3..it wont be inducted b4 2020


my dear AHQ is not sitting idle..just wait and watch :p:

Bud, for the sake of Pakistan; I hope they pleasantly surprise us all for a change. In modern warfare, there is no space for being defensive as there's little margin for error, given the vast technological leaps being made annually- across the globe. In my honest assessment, those that are left behind; will most certainly stay behind. I hope PAF won't be among them.
 
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Jesus Christ!

Translation: No J10, J11, J16 or Used typhoons, no SU-35. Just perhaps J31 and alluding to another 5th generation at some point. In short, it appears as though the backbone of the PAF will entail: F-16+ JF17+J31. Plus another 5th generation in the future.

Personally I'm off the opinion that procuring more F16's are a mistake, given how unreliable the Americans are, with the world moving on to F35's, Rafales and the works.. Pakistan is still stuck with the F16 mindset- the folks across the border must be experiencing euphoria. If I were a citizen of Pakistan I'd be hella pissed at this meekly approach at keeping arch rivals India at bay; no other words to slice this cake, what a pathetic strategy.

P.S As repeated like a mantra on this forum by various sane members- Pakistan urgently requires a new (heavier) platform before the arrival of a 5th gen, instead their intent appears to be dilly-dallying around with the JF-17 for the foreseeable future, as if it's a match for the Rafales. Lack of funds they say, total hogwash.
what do you expect there isn't much money to throw around on new jets. people seem to forget the 15 year war thats taking place on pakistans door step which pretty much destroyed the countries economy. Now after 3 years things are looking well.

PAFs aim was always to have 100+ f16's and that won't stop till they get to the magic 100 number. yes jf17 especially block 3 is where they are investing all their resources and money.

off the shelf option in 2020 will be j31 and maybe j20 (i think eventually china will let PAF have it) or if turkey is really interested then they might go down the route of investing 5 billion dollars into the TFX programs.

But for now more jf17's and more f16's for the next 3 years atleast. Also UAE mirages come into the picture but apparently UAE aren't retiring them either till 2020
 
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Bud, for the sake of Pakistan; I hope they pleasantly surprise us all for a change. In modern warfare, there is no space for being defensive as there's little margin for error, given the vast technological leaps being made annually- across the globe. In my honest assessment, those that are left behind; will most certainly stay behind. I hope PAF won't be among them.
dont worry PAF wont be among them :-)
 
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Rather than sitting put, I think this article shows the PAF leadership is taking an intelligent approach to the future.
Apparently they are pleased enough with the JF-17, to envision the Block 3 as the core of the PAF going forward. Although there is some apprehension in trying to obtain more F-16s, either new or used, there obviously is a familiarity with the platform and is also the most cost effective acquisition. Plus, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of potential aircraft that are potentially available for the PAF to acquire and upgrade such as in the example of the ROSE Mirages. These steps will hopefully keep up present and near term capabilities.

Most importantly, PAF leadership is showing they are serious about indigenization efforts which is the MOST important thing. Calling a 5th generation of the shelf buy a stop gap measure says volumes of the direction PAF wants to go. The success of Kamra Aviation City is more important for the future than any Russian, European, or American fighter that can be bought today.
 
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what do you expect there isn't much money to throw around on new jets. people seem to forget the 15 year war thats taking place on pakistans door step which pretty much destroyed the countries economy. Now after 3 years things are looking well.

PAFs aim was always to have 100+ f16's and that won't stop till they get to the magic 100 number. yes jf17 especially block 3 is where they are investing all their resources and money.

off the shelf option in 2020 will be j31 and maybe j20 (i think eventually china will let PAF have it) or if turkey is really interested then they might go down the route of investing 5 billion dollars into the TFX programs.

But for now more jf17's and more f16's for the next 3 years atleast. Also UAE mirages come into the picture but apparently UAE aren't retiring them either till 2020

I see your viewpoint. In my very humble opinion, financing for a new platform isn't the hinderance at play here, it's more to do with PAF and dare I say it, tunnel-vision. Outdated thinking is perhaps the factor throwing the spanner in the works and maybe a hint of narcissism given their laurels.

I genuinely want to see the best version of PAF, they have all the talent and endless ability, but are not utilising or channeling their efforts towards a proactive strategy, remains defensive which is always beyond risky. Imagine turning up to street fights and looking to 'rope-a-dope' each and every time. Unless and until the PAF alter their mindset they could be in for a (God forbid), rude awakening, or at the very least remain on the back-foot for time to come. Which my friend isn't particularly 'healthy' is it?!
 
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No matter how many knock backs the PAF gets from USA on F16/52 ,,, the Pakistanis will not stop asking for more planes.

They will keep on asking until USA agrees to grant aided F16/52 in small nos

Old habits die hard
 
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Rather than sitting put, I think this article shows the PAF leadership is taking an intelligent approach to the future.
Apparently they are pleased enough with the JF-17, to envision the Block 3 as the core of the PAF going forward. Although there is some apprehension in trying to obtain more F-16s, either new or used, there obviously is a familiarity with the platform and is also the most cost effective acquisition. Plus, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of potential aircraft that are potentially available for the PAF to acquire and upgrade such as in the example of the ROSE Mirages. These steps will hopefully keep up present and near term capabilities.

Most importantly, PAF leadership is showing they are serious about indigenization efforts which is the MOST important thing. Calling a 5th generation of the shelf buy a stop gap measure says volumes of the direction PAF wants to go. The success of Kamra Aviation City is more important for the future than any Russian, European, or American fighter that can be bought today.

Pal, Indigenisation is brilliant; I'm all for it; but given Pakistan's precarious position and the: technological, parity, numerical issues being faced by PAF currently- which is in stark contrast to it's 'not so friendly' neighbour. It really leaves the PAF in a major pickle, therefore, Pakistan ought to purchase a new, equally capable platform before the arrival of the much touted 5th generation planes, (which mind you isn't anytime soon), to compliment the JF-17 which are a god-send or will prove to be with the much anticipated block-3 variant. Once you have a few squadrons of the 5th generation at your disposal; it gives you vital breathing space for an 'indigenous 5th gen programme'.

P.S. I don't think it's to do with the lack of funds. But do feel free to disagree, at your disretion.
 
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Let me remind you all " We are defence air force , our target is air denial , we don't want to attack enemy in or on enemy Air , Land and Sea , So we don't need good Single Engine Medium multirole or any type of Heavy Bird" For Us JF-17 Hai Na and 80 old F-16 Zindabad ...............
Who cares about Rafeels , Upgraded SU-30s , Upgraded Mig-29 and Upgraded M2K and Y we very about Enemies Air Defence .............
 
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Pal, Indigenisation is brilliant; I'm all for it; but given Pakistan's precarious position and the: technological, parity, numerical issues being faced by PAF currently- which is in stark contrast to it's 'not so friendly' neighbour. It really leaves the PAF in a major pickle, therefore, Pakistan ought to purchase a new, equally capable platform before the arrival of the much touted 5th generation planes, (which mind you isn't anytime soon), to compliment the JF-17 which are a god-send or will prove to be with the much anticipated block-3 variant. Once you have a few squadrons of the 5th generation at your disposal; it gives you vital breathing space for an 'indigenous 5th gen programme'.

P.S. I don't think it's to do with the lack of funds. But do feel free to disagree, at your disretion.

Listen bud, I can afford a Ferrari if I wanted too. But then I would be eating bagels and drinking water. Just because you can afford something doesn't mean you should make that purchase.

I think its a better approach to make rational purchases based on capability needs.

Rather than a lack of vision, I think its ultimately corruption and a tendency to favor other factors rather than national security that derails the military potential that Pakistan and for that matter other Muslim countries possess.
 
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Listen bud, I can afford a Ferrari if I wanted too. But then I would be eating bagels and drinking water. Just because you can afford something doesn't mean you should make that purchase.

I think its a better approach to make rational purchases based on capability needs.

Rather than a lack of vision, I think its ultimately corruption and a tendency to favor other factors rather than national security that derails the military potential that Pakistan and for that matter other Muslim countries possess.

...Ummmmm I think you may have forgotten, payments are not made in one go.. At least not with China and you're underestimating Pakistan a wee bit. Financial constraints certainly aren't the problem, they can more than arrange for the requisite finances for two squadrons of J10 if they do indeed decide to pursue the acquisition with fevour (and maintain them), without having to live off 'bagels and water'.
 
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