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After burning a U.S. flag, Pakistani activists of a student wing of fundamentalist party Jamaat-e-Islami burn an effigy of CIA contractor Raymond Davis during a protest in Karachi on March 7

What does Pakistan do for the United States?

Since 2001, this country has given Pakistan at least $22 billion in aid, so Americans certainly should expect something in return. That's nearly enough money to erase California's long-standing budget deficit or fund the state of Missouri for one year.

In California and Missouri, the money would pay for roads, schools, health care, law enforcement and much more. In Pakistan, what did Washington accomplish? Well, among other things, the United States lined the pockets of senior political and military leaders with millions if not billions of dollars. And when Western auditors ask to see the books, Pakistanis throw up their hands and angrily object to this "humiliation," saying, as one did this year, "You treat us like lackeys!"

A few months ago, despairing over rampant theft of U.S. aid, the United States Agency for International Development hired Transparency International, a German anti-corruption organization, to set up an "anti-fraud hot line." It began operations in December. By last month, callers had provided real evidence of crimes, and suddenly Pakistani militants began threatening to kill the office head, Syed Adil Gilani. He had to flee the country.

Face it: Pakistanis hate Americans. Look at that poor CIA contractor, Raymond Davis, who languished in a miserable Pakistani prison for more than a month after shooting two men who were trying to rob him. Neither Pakistani judicial nor government officials were willing to let him go, afraid that whoever authorized his release would be targeted for assassination - like the two government officials killed so far this year because they betrayed liberal, "Western" sentiments.

A recent public-opinion survey found that barely 21 percent of the nation had any respect whatsoever for the United States.

What does Pakistan do for the United States?

Almost all of that $22 billion gift was intended to train and equip Pakistanis to go after al Qaeda in North Waziristan. Well, almost 10 years later, al Qaeda is still there, largely unperturbed. Pakistani officials used the money they didn't steal to upgrade the nation's military so it will be better prepared to fight an unlikely war with India - all the while pretending that battle tanks and F-16 fighters were to be used against al Qaeda.

Incredibly, the Pentagon, afraid to offend its "allies," went along with this. A Congressional Research Service Report notes that "the Defense Department has characterized F-16 fighters, P-3C patrol aircraft and anti-armor missiles as having significant anti-terrorism applications." Come on. Anti-armor missiles? How many tanks does al Qaeda have?

Not long ago, when new U.S. intelligence suddenly showed an unusually opportune moment to hit senior al Qaeda leaders, Pakistanis said they couldn't take on the mission "due to a shortage of counterinsurgency equipment," the congressional report said. Could there be better evidence of billions wasted?

The United States has managed to kill some al Qaeda militants using missiles fired from drones. Pakistan often supplied the intelligence for those attacks. But last month, Pakistan's intelligence agency, angry about the Raymond Davis affair, suspended all cooperation with the Americans. For almost a month, the U.S. military fired not a single rocket from a drone.

What does Pakistan do for the United States?

The Obama administration is trying a new approach: spend another $7.5 billion on humanitarian aid and economic development to win hearts and minds. From the beginning, it was a hard sell. Pakistani militants already call the American Embassy in Islamabad the "crusader castle." It turned out that Pakistan suffered devastating floods last year. Our nation poured most of its new resources into aid for flood victims. But once again, much of it was stolen.

That information came in over the new fraud hot line. The Pakistani media picked it up, and one province's director general for disaster management was fired.

Given the rampant theft, USAID and the State Department debated how best to disburse the new development aid. State wanted to use the new, in-vogue approach of giving the money directly to the government, "to empower the nation's leaders," as aid jargon puts it.

How ludicrous is this? Instead, the aid money will "enrich the nation's leaders." The two agencies compromised; half the money will be spent through nongovernment groups, but the other half will be placed directly into the outstretched hands of grinning government officials.

What does Pakistan do for the United States?

Steal our money, threaten and imprison our people, loathe and abuse us. Why can't anyone in Washington ever seem to figure this out?

Read more: Pakistan a bad investment for U.S.

© 2011 By Joel Brinkley

Joel Brinkley, a professor of journalism at Stanford University, is a Pulitzer Prize-winning former foreign correspondent for the New York Times. E-mail him at Brinkley@foreign-matters.com. Contact The Chronicle at SFGate.com/chronicle/submissions/#1.

This article appeared on page F - 9 of the San Francisco Chronicle

Pakistan a bad investment for U.S.
 
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Wat a third class article written by some moron...This idiot needs to do some research thn write.

Joel Brinkley, a professor of journalism at Stanford University, is a Pulitzer Prize-winning former foreign correspondent for the New York Times. E-mail him at Brinkley@foreign-matters.com. Contact The Chronicle at SFGate.com/chronicle/submissions/#1.\

So much for a 'moron'. :lol:
 
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lets talk about our country :cheers:
To talk about an issue you just have to make a thread and people will join you. As you can see, the above issue you have raised is very important, but posting it in a thread about US pakistan relation is inappropriate to say the least.
 
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USA's tax dollars gone down the drain, as we here in North American deal with huge deficits and budget cuts, we still continue to give aid to a country which still largely sees the western world as the real enemy. Terrorism cannot be wiped away with dollars but with real intent and proper action, unfortunately Pakistan has done neither. Will some fake patch work is done in its remote northern regions, its border with India still goes unchecked, the good/bad terrorist argument is still very much alive in the country and its views are slowly getting more and more extreme. Sadly Obama lacks the spine to do anything, the citizens of The United States will continue to fund this so called "War on Terror " until the USA itself seizes to exist.
 
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Since 2001, this country has given Pakistan at least $22 billion in aid, so Americans certainly should expect something in return
Isnt a 40-60 billion $ loss of economy n billions in infrastructure...... losing around 5000 soldiers and more thn 10,000 injured soldiers enough?not to forget the thousands of civilisians martyred by terrorists?



These guys have spent like hundreds of billions of dollars.....wat have they accomplished?!!!!
And when Western auditors ask to see the books, Pakistanis throw up their hands and angrily object to this "humiliation," saying, as one did this year, "You treat us like lackeys!"

Illegal activities of cia and xe n other fags?


Look at that poor CIA contractor, Raymond Davis, who languished in a miserable Pakistani prison for more than a month after shooting two men who were trying to rob him.
Oh.... a cia agent,armed roaming around in public places,no immunity,fake car registration,surv equipment.. kills 2 ppl n a us embassy vehicle kills another innocent and f...ks off..........WOW how poor n innocent?

But last month, Pakistan's intelligence agency, angry about the Raymond Davis affair, suspended all cooperation with the Americans. For almost a month, the U.S. military fired not a single rocket from a drone.

N just a day ago these fags killed 40 innocent people holding a peace meeting or a jirga?


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The f-16 yes? dont we f...king give u $$ for tht?
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What does Pakistan do for the United States?

Steal our money, threaten and imprison our people, loathe and abuse us. Why can't anyone in Washington ever seem to figure this out?

%@@#@#@ WATEVER @##$%^^ ... GET LOST.
 
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  • >spend a billion dollars a day on the war in Afghanistan
  • >end up accomplishing nothing in 9 years and simply pushing them into Pakistan
  • >tell Pakistan to push them back with 22 days of money
  • >Pakistan tries but loses $50 billion from natural disasters
  • >complain that the USA accomplished nothing in 9 years because of Pakistan

Cool story, bro.
 
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"Look at the poor CIA contractor Raymond Davis"...

Enough said the writer is a half-wit when it comes to Pakistan affairs he doesn't seem to understand the complexity of the politics. Instead, he provides a simpleton argument of getting ripped off by Pakistan, using the US gives aid blah blah blah argument totally ignoring drone strikes, covert CIA operations, interference in Pakistan domestic politics, etc.

Nor does he seem to understand even US's approval rating is low in ally UK, and other European countries, so it can't be just Pakistanis seeing how rotten American foreign policy and US Government current and past administrations are behaving and acting.

Nor does the writer examine the timeline when Pakistan's public view of US over the decades it wasn't always negative, during Pres. Clinton's Presidency it was overall positive especially Richard Nixon's too ;-)...He doesn't examine the shift in public view in accordance with shift in foreign policy.


I guess this isn't the article he wrote to help him win the Pulitzer Prize...
 
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  • >spend a billion dollars a day on the war in Afghanistan


  • It is to stabilise Afghanistan and to ensure a better future for Afghan children and women.

    • >end up accomplishing nothing in 9 years and simply pushing them into Pakistan


    • If ops in A'stan are pushing the militants to Pakistan, then what is Pakistani army doing? It means either that the Pakistani Army is a total failure, good for nothing or that the Pakistani Army isn't willing to really do it.

      • >tell Pakistan to push them back with 22 days of money


      • So you want money for fighing a war that YOUR leaders have called YOUR WAR? What are you? Mercenaries?

        • >Pakistan tries but loses $50 billion from natural disasters


        • Nobody can control natural disasters but it is evident that the country that you hate the most was the one that helped you the most. Far more than even your all-weather friends.

          • >complain that the USA accomplished nothing in 9 years because of Pakistan

          Indeed! It is because of the double-dealings of the ISI and Pak Army vis a vis the 'Good Taliban, Bad Taliban'. In short, the taliban that kill Afghan women and children are good and the taliban that kill Pakistani women and children are bad.

          It is because of your half-hearted actions against the Afghan taliban. This policy of 'Good Taliban, Bad Taliban' has been the ISI's forte right from the start.
 
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USA's tax dollars gone down the drain, as we here in North American deal with huge deficits and budget cuts, we still continue to give aid to a country which still largely sees the western world as the real enemy. Terrorism cannot be wiped away with dollars but with real intent and proper action, unfortunately Pakistan has done neither. Will some fake patch work is done in its remote northern regions, its border with India still goes unchecked, the good/bad terrorist argument is still very much alive in the country and its views are slowly getting more and more extreme. Sadly Obama lacks the spine to do anything, the citizens of The United States will continue to fund this so called "War on Terror " until the USA itself seizes to exist.


And after all that horrifying news you and your ilk still decide to join in mass numbers and linger at an online forum dedicated to that terrible country. Get lost.
 
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It is high time US should realize this and withdraw from interfering in Pakistan's affairs... don't spend anymore taxpayer money on the wars and aids all over the world and do something to its own economy and create jobs. If it delays the move, it is going to lose out the competitive edge it has been able to command over these years.

As for the Pakistanis, it is upto your govt to measure up what they could have gained out of this relationship and capitalized on this to rebuild their economy ... I would say it was a huge opportunity lost.
 
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Joel Brinkley, a professor of journalism at Stanford University, is a Pulitzer Prize-winning former foreign correspondent for the New York Times. E-mail him at Brinkley@foreign-matters.com. Contact The Chronicle at SFGate.com/chronicle/submissions/#1.\

So much for a 'moron'. :lol:

That does not make him an expert on Pakistan and its affairs. He is just presenting a shady one sided view. The loss of human life in our case alone out matches all of the combine US and NATO casualties. He hasnt mentioned any of that so yes Joel Brinkley is a moron.
 
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"Poor" contractor Raymond Davis? Who is in jail "just" because he killed 2 people who tried to rob him? The article is beyond BS.
 
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As far as the "aid money" goes...

It's the US offering aid money is it not? The aid money approved by US Congress. If US government wishes to provide aid that is their choice nobody nor Pakistan has forced them to. So it is not Pakistan that is the burden, if US decides to offer aid there is obviously no burden there. As for the money several billion of it is reimbursement money as clarified by Pres. Musharraf in the past.

Besides, the money being offered to Pakistan is a drop in the bucket hence it isn't a burden on US tax payers as usual you are distorting the truth and playing with words. The real burden is the money being spent on unnecessary wars, and foreign bases. Which cost multiple times more than any aid to Pakistan.

Threads have been made that already clarify about US aid money to Pakistan why don't you bother to read more and understand more next time you don't make such low quality posts.
 
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