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Pak challenge for India, US

A US-Pakistan proxy war over control of Afghanistan could become an Indo-Pakistan proxy war.

November 6, 2012:
As the US and India grow ever closer as partners, they cannot escape the challenges posed by Pakistan, which has been a complication in the bilateral relationship between Washington and New Delhi since 1947.

The next US President and his Indian counterpart will find it impossible to ignore the dangers and opportunities posed by Pakistan today. Cooperation between Washington and New Delhi on how to deal with these challenges is crucial, and fortunately seems to be improving, especially as we prepare for the 2014 transition in Afghanistan.

Both India and America have strained and complex relations with Pakistan. The terror attack on Mumbai on November 26, 2008, brought India and Pakistan to the brink of another crisis. Fortunately, cool heads prevailed, especially in New Delhi, but four years later, a gradual détente has begun.

PAK-SPONSORED TERROR

Visa restrictions have been loosened on travellers between the two countries, trade is increasing, and there is talk of a genuine free trade zone.

These measures benefit both countries, but especially help Pakistan with its weaker economy. President Asif Ali Zardari visited India and seems genuinely committed to improving ties. A September Pew poll shows Indians understand the paradox. Seventy seven per cent of Indians see Pakistan as an enemy, yet 77 per cent also believe it is important to resolve the Kashmir dispute to improve relations with Pakistan.

What is unclear is how committed the Pakistani army and its intelligence service, ISI, are to détente. Traditionally, they have seen India as the enemy and the justification for their disproportionate share of the national budget. They remain closely aligned with the spoilers in Pakistan, the jihadist groups determined to fight India, not to make peace with it. Lashkar-e-Tayyiba’s boss, Muhammad Hafeez Saeed now has an American bounty for information leading to his arrest but he operates openly in Pakistan.

The mastermind of the Mumbai massacre travels the country, appears at large ISI sponsored rallies and regularly appears on talk shows demanding jihad against India and America. There is every danger that another major attack is coming, ironically made more likely if détente deepens, since the dark forces in Pakistan are determined to halt it.

The extradition of a major LeT operative, known by his nom de guerre as Abu Jindal, from Saudi Arabia to India this year (with U.S. help) illustrates the danger.

He was raising funds in the Kingdom for another major attack when arrested and sent to India. His voice matches that of the LeT boss who ordered the Mumbai terrorists to kill their hostages in phone calls monitored by Indian security services.

US AND ITS DILEMMAS

The US’s relationship with Pakistan is even more tortured and complex. On the one hand, Washington has been very generous to Pakistan this century. Since 9/11, the U.S. has disbursed over $25 billion in military and economic aid to Islamabad. According to the Congressional Research Service, about half the aid was delivered during George W. Bush’s presidency and about half by Barack Obama. No other country except Israel has received so much American aid since 2001.

On the other hand, Pakistan and US are adversaries in Afghanistan. In many ways, the U.S. is fighting a proxy war in Afghanistan. The US, the UN, NATO and troops from over forty countries back the legitimately elected Kabul government led by Hamid Karzai, as does India.

Pakistan pays lip service to the Karzai government but provides key assistance to its enemy, the Afghan Taliban.

The ISI shelters the Taliban leadership in Quetta, Karachi, and Waziristan, trains its fighters and helps it plan attacks on Afghan government and NATO targets.

Interrogations of thousands of captured Taliban fighters by NATO show that Pakistan’s support is essential to the success of the insurgency. Senior US officials have characterised the insurgents as taking direction from the ISI.

The US is also fighting a drone war against terrorist targets from al Qaeda and associated movement inside Pakistani territory despite the explicit request of the Pakistani parliament and foreign ministry that they cease flying.

From 2004 to September 30, 2012, the drones carried out 346 lethal attacks in Pakistan, almost 300 on Obama’s watch. The drones have decimated al Qaeda’s leadership but have also angered Pakistanis and become an anti-American rallying cry for Lashkar e Tayyiba and Pakistani politicians, including Imran Khan.

Finally, there is a shadow of Abbottabad haunting American-Pakistani relations. How did Osama bin Laden, high-value target number one, hide for five plus years less than eight hundred yards from Pakistan’s premier military academy?

The coming transition in Afghanistan from NATO to Afghan leadership in the war in 2014 will be a major challenge for US-Pakistan relations with major implications for India.

If Pakistan encourages the Taliban to step up the pressure on the Kabul government, and they recover territory hard won by NATO forces in Helmand and Kandahar provinces, it will be a sign Pakistan is determined to push the US out of South Asia. Many Americans will blame Pakistan for any American defeat in Afghanistan and they will have good reason to do so.

India is likely to be drawn deeper into the Afghan conflict. Already, it is a major supporter of Kabul, having disbursed over $2 billion in aid since 2001, and is likely to become the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance’s major regional ally. An US-Pakistan proxy war could become an Indo-Pakistan proxy war.

There is a better alternative: Pakistan could unambiguously use its influence with the Taliban to encourage them to engage in a serious political process with Kabul while breaking definitively with al Qaeda.

If not, then US and India need to work more closely on how to engage Pakistan and its army’s excesses.

The last Indo-US strategic dialogue session spent considerable time on the future of Afghanistan. That is a step in the right direction.

(The author is former Senior Director for Near East and South Asia Affairs, National Security Council, 1997-2001.)

This article is by special arrangement with the Center for the Advanced Study of India, University of Pennsylvania.

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Summary of the article is that ...come2014 afghanistan will return to pre-9/11 era where any proxy war between india and pakistan will wbe won by pakistan as happened in 1990s and india.Last time only kashmir was the ablaze this time whole of india will be set ablaze.
 
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Auntee Jee you are always good for a laugh.
 
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@AJTR- You ruined entire article with your same old ranting. What's your affinity towards India set on fire ? Pakistan is already paying huge price for being supportive to extremists like Taliban. Extremism in any form is not good for any country. But reality is people like you are loosing ground in Pakistan as they have seen how the table turns and extremists attack Pakistan itself.

People of Pakistan now wants end of war and terrorism, which for the first time is in resonance with India. Think about posting positive words than spewing same hatred which has ruined our countries. Get over the past and move on. How many innocent lives you want for this fanaticism to end ?
 
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Oh please keep us away from US and PAK problems in Afghanistan.
 
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Summary of the article is that ...come2014 afghanistan will return to pre-9/11 era where any proxy war between india and pakistan will wbe won by pakistan as happened in 1990s and india.Last time only kashmir was the ablaze this time whole of india will be set ablaze.

Meaningless summary. It is no longer the 1990's where India could not do much except for some minor help. This rtime enough funds can be given to "our friends" to pretty much deadlock the situation. Add to that, with the U.S. will be on our side, the situation is opposite of what you summarise. It's Pakistan who should worry because unlike us, they share a border & will suffer the consequences.
 
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I dont think democratic pakistan will repeat same mistake again ..not so sure about generals who sees military solution to every problem on earth
 
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ATJ its not the 1990s- the entire world (pretty much) is on India's side. India has the technological, human capital, fincail and political superiority by far. The Indians have pretty much sealed the border with improved tech but also learning lessons from the past. We are not going to see the days of 1990s repeated- JK has moved on, the fools who were lured by ISI to come to Pak held Kashmir to train to fight in JK are now sitting in camps in "Azad"'Kashmir ruing the day they ever agreed to leave their homes and wishing they could return to live peacefully. I think even most of Paksitan has learned the games of old (flaming Kashmir) are not a good long term plan and will achieve nothing. I certainly believe that if you can get the Indian side to the table for serious talks they can get almost all of what they want as long as Paksitan is allowed to save face and the region can move on. That is a pretty big if though.

Either way India will not allow JK to flare up again.


The real issue is there needs to be a monumental mindset change in Pakistan- it needs to focus on development and stop supporting groups who want to do harm. The futility of it all has got to be getting to Paksitan as India prospers and Paksitan, well, doesn't.
 
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Summary of the article is that ...come2014 afghanistan will return to pre-9/11 era where any proxy war between india and pakistan will wbe won by pakistan as happened in 1990s and india.Last time only kashmir was the ablaze this time whole of india will be set ablaze.

Difference is unlike last time when the individual warlord were facing off against each other on their own weapons, this time around there is a entity called Afghan National Army and America, Russia, Iran, CARs and India will be on their side while the Talibaboons will be supported by Pakistan. So this time it will be an even match with only a slight advantage for Pakistan.

Also unlike last time this time insurgency in Kashmir is at an all time low with the LOC pretty well guarded and most importantly unlike last time there is NO internal peace in Pakistan and if India wills, it is very very easy to stoke the deadly mix of islamist, sectarian and ethnic tensions which Pak will find very difficult to face.
 
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old debate with no results, the status quo remains unchanged. chop chop
 
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Can Pakistan afford genuine democracy inside Afghanistan?
 
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Can Pakistan afford genuine democracy inside Afghanistan?


Genuine democracy in Afghanistan = Pro Pakistan govt in Kabul.

The question is, if India can abandon following Chankiya and destabilizing other countries.
 
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Genuine democracy in Afghanistan = Pro Pakistan govt in Kabul.

The question is, if India can abandon following Chankiya and destabilizing other countries.
Last leadership that was Pro Pakistani entity in Afghanistan was Taliban. We all know how it turned out.

As for India, its just being opportunistic again. Just like it was in case of East Pakistan. I know the work is dirty, but this isn't have been a fair fight at all so why expect it.
 
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Genuine democracy in Afghanistan = Pro Pakistan govt in Kabul.
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So much contradiction in just 8 words.

A genuine democracy means the Afghan govt chooses whether its going to be pro or anti-Pak...not Pakistan.

As for India, its just being opportunistic again. Just like it was in case of East Pakistan. I know the work is dirty, but this isn't have been a fair fight at all so why expect it.

Why being apologetic ? Last I checked Pakistan and India werent exactly friends or even neutral neighbors. We are hostile entities on a pause and we should reserve every right to act according to our interest.
 
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Why being apologetic ? Last I checked Pakistan and India werent exactly friends or even neutral neighbors. We are hostile entities on a pause and we should reserve every right to act according to our interest.
Sir, I am not being apologetic. Just careful with words to avoid trolls from ruining this thread.
 
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Genuine democracy in Afghanistan = Pro Pakistan govt in Kabul.

The question is, if India can abandon following Chankiya and destabilizing other countries.

who is Chankiya...???
 
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