What's new

Pak ACM states India has 3500 BVR missles

Status
Not open for further replies.

maverick2009

BANNED
Joined
Mar 28, 2009
Messages
416
Reaction score
0
The report below is an a statement by current PAF ACM suggesting that india has 3500 BVR missles. " Thats alot of missles"

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=22411

Far more than i thought IAF may have !!!!!11

Thats like 9 BVR missles each for IAF 400 BVR capable fighters...

Compare wat is going to be 500 Amraams for 60+ F16/52.

THIS EQUATES to 8 missles per F16.

PAF will also no doubt be obtaining the chinease SD10 BVR soon with JF17s
 
.
By the way the 400 planes are

100 su30mki = 5 Sqds

51 Mirage 2000 = 3 Sqds

63 Mig29m = 3 Sqds

120Mig21 Bisons = 6 Sqds
 
.
By the way the 400 planes are

100 su30mki = 5 Sqds

51 Mirage 2000 = 3 Sqds

63 Mig29m = 3 Sqds

120Mig21 Bisons = 6 Sqds

IAF has no more than 60 MKIs currently. Mirage 2000s have very limited BVR capability (530D...AIM-7 sparrow generation).

Mig-29s in service have a very limited AI radar.
 
.
IAF has no more than 60 MKIs currently. Mirage 2000s have very limited BVR capability (530D...AIM-7 sparrow generation).

Mig-29s in service have a very limited AI radar.

Over 80 currently.
 
.
Err I doubt those numbers are right....

Note: As per the annual United Nations (U.N.) conventional arms register, the Indian Government reported that it had purchased 30 R-77RVV-AE missiles in 1999 and 120 R-77RVV-AE missiles in 2000. These numbers suggest that the R-77RVV-AE is operational with the IAF, at a minimum with the upgraded MiG-21s and the Su-30s. In October 1998, a locally-upgraded MiG-29 test-fired a R-77RVV-AE air-to-air missile.

Note: SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute) reported that 180 R-73 air-to-air missiles were ordered by the Indian Air Force in 1995 and all 180 were delivered by 1996. SIPRI also reported that 1520 R-73 air-to-air missiles were ordered in 1996 and 500 were delivered by 2001. As per the annual UN conventional arms register, the Indian Government reported it had purchased 100 R-73E missiles in 1999.

Note: SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute) reported that 300 R-27R1/T1 air-to-air missiles were ordered by the Indian Air Force in 1995 and all 300 missiles were delivered in the same year. SIPRI reported that 1140 R-27E missiles were ordered in 1996 and 250 were delivered by 2001. SIPRI also reported that 1140 R-27R1/T1 missiles were ordered from Ukraine in 1996 and 304 were delivered by 2001. As per the annual UN conventional arms register, the Indian Government reported it had purchased 40 R-27ER1 and 36 R-27ET1 missiles in 1999 and 20 R-27ER1 and 20 R-27ET1 missiles in 2000.

Not even close to 3500
 
. .
Err I doubt those numbers are right....

Note: As per the annual United Nations (U.N.) conventional arms register, the Indian Government reported that it had purchased 30 R-77RVV-AE missiles in 1999 and 120 R-77RVV-AE missiles in 2000. These numbers suggest that the R-77RVV-AE is operational with the IAF, at a minimum with the upgraded MiG-21s and the Su-30s. In October 1998, a locally-upgraded MiG-29 test-fired a R-77RVV-AE air-to-air missile.

Note: SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute) reported that 180 R-73 air-to-air missiles were ordered by the Indian Air Force in 1995 and all 180 were delivered by 1996. SIPRI also reported that 1520 R-73 air-to-air missiles were ordered in 1996 and 500 were delivered by 2001. As per the annual UN conventional arms register, the Indian Government reported it had purchased 100 R-73E missiles in 1999.

Note: SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute) reported that 300 R-27R1/T1 air-to-air missiles were ordered by the Indian Air Force in 1995 and all 300 missiles were delivered in the same year. SIPRI reported that 1140 R-27E missiles were ordered in 1996 and 250 were delivered by 2001. SIPRI also reported that 1140 R-27R1/T1 missiles were ordered from Ukraine in 1996 and 304 were delivered by 2001. As per the annual UN conventional arms register, the Indian Government reported it had purchased 40 R-27ER1 and 36 R-27ET1 missiles in 1999 and 20 R-27ER1 and 20 R-27ET1 missiles in 2000.

Not even close to 3500

I too agree. The 3500 may apply to some extended range WVR as well as BVR AAMs.
 
.
I too agree. The 3500 may apply to some extended range WVR as well as BVR AAMs.

Yup and the on the shelf life span of these missiles is not great The R-73 I believe is 8 years
 
.
In reply to Keyserose

No offence just one question but very important.

The facts figs from SIPRI that you quoted have dates of agreements ranging from 1995 to 2001.

Are you then suggesting that IAF have accquired no new BVR missles for the last 8 years ....???

The other question is simply this are we stating that ACM OF PAF has got his facts wrong ???

These are the current Squadron nos for su30mki

8, 20, 24, 30, 31 ( Thats defo 5 SQUADRONS)

No 31 was raised in March 2008.

The nos are varying vetween 80 upto 115 PLANES thats why i chose 100
 
.
In reply to Keyserose

No offence just one question but very important.

The facts figs from SIPRI that you quoted have dates of agreements ranging from 1995 to 2001.

Are you then suggesting that IAF have accquired no new BVR missles for the last 8 years ....???

The other question is simply this are we stating that ACM OF PAF has got his facts wrong ???

These are the current Squadron nos for su30mki

8, 20, 24, 30, 31 ( Thats defo 5 SQUADRONS)

No 31 was raised in March 2008.

The nos are varying vetween 80 upto 115 PLANES thats why i chose 100

Because i checked the SIPRI website and here is what I found for 2002 to 2008



Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 2002 to 2008
Note: The ÔNo. delivered/producedÕ and the ÔYear(s) of deliveriesÕ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ÔCommentsÕ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://armstrade.sipri.org/>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 29 May 2009


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


France
R: India (36) SM-39 Exocet Anti-ship missile 2005 Possibly $150 m deal; SM-39 Block-2 version; for Scorpene submarines
(20) Mistral Portable SAM 2006 AAM version; for Dhruv helicopter

L: . . MILAN Anti-tank missile (1979) 1984-2008 (17500) MILAN-2 and Milan-2T version; ordered from French-FRG Euromissile company; most produced in India; incl for BMP-2 IFV; delivery to be finished by 2012



Nothing for Russia
 
.
the figure seem to be over whelmingly huge!

i guess it will be some where around 2000 - 2500

have to agree with Kersersoze that this might be including BVR and WVR missiles both!!

regards!
 
.
Oh and South Asian media have been known to mis-quote air force officials a lot. So ......
 
Last edited:
.
Keyseroze

Don,t be offended but i checked the same website and found this data.

Importer/Exporter TIV Tables..

With India acquiring just under $3 billion dollars worth of missles between 2002-2008...

India has a variety of its own ballistic missles & cruise missles.

So I can only assume a large portion of that $3 billion Are BVR/WVR missles in particular alongside delivery or license production of the SU30MKI which only started arriving in 2003 onwards..

My hyperlink clearly showes very larges sums going to Russia
 
.
I have used the hyper links to compare missles imports of both india * Pakistan between 2002 - 2008.

India, s came to $2.6 billion.

Pakistan came to $478 million..

*** Its a neat little table very intersting facts
 
.
In reply to Blain

You quoted indian sources saying 60 mki

The main indian source Bharat Raksha last undated March 2009 shows 80 mki with 5 squadrons...

Wipi which seems to updated daily shows same 5 Squadrons Nos with 115 mki...

" One thing is certain IAF does not operate a squadron with just 12 planes per squadron. Generally IAF has between 17 -21 fighters per squadron.
 
.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom