PAF's JF-16 Fighter Jet

[Ultima Thule]

J-10C/D cost 65 million per plane. JF-17 block 3 will be 95% in Performance with J-10C/D and will cost between 30 to 40 millions depend on the configuration. Almost 2 to 1 ratio, I rather have JF-17 than J-10.

If there was a way to give negative rating, I would have given negative rating for anyone suggesting Pakistan to buy JH-7A. First of all it’s an old design and it was rejected by PAF 10 years ago in favor of JF-17. I would rather have Used F-16 or used Mirage-2000 from France than buying JH-7A.
Pakistan must save money and focus on JF-17. Limited batch of JF-17 block 3 will be ready by the end of this years.

Pakistan badly need deep penetration heavy strike/ maritime jet JF-17, can't fill that roll, its basically a light air defence/multirole jet, as you said J-11/j-16's price is 65 million dollar,JH-7A price is 30-40 million dollar , JH-7A have latest avionics and can defend itself to enemy with BVR/WVR @jupiter2007

 

[GriffinsRule]

JH-7A is a joke and rightly rejected by PAF. And just having a powerful radar does not mean it is capable of defending itself against even a Mig-21/F-7 in WVR combat.

 

[Ultima Thule]

JH-7A is a joke and rightly rejected by PAF. And just having a powerful radar does not mean it is capable of defending itself against even a Mig-21/F-7 in WVR combat.

It has BVR, AESA, latest avinoics, especially JH-7A and upcoming B @GumNaam

 

[MastanKhan]

JH-7A is a joke and rightly rejected by PAF. And just having a powerful radar does not mean it is capable of defending itself against even a Mig-21/F-7 in WVR combat.

Hi,

Paf also rejected the Hawkeye---it rejected the A6---it rejected the Mirage F1 Mirage 2000----Rafale---F20 Tigershark---.

JH7A is still the best " low flight " strike platform after the F111---. There is nothing in the chinese or the russian air force to compete with it or replace it---.

Paf has fckd up pakistan many a times---.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Hi,

Paf also rejected the Hawkeye---it rejected the A6---it rejected the Mirage F1 Mirage 2000----Rafale---F20 Tigershark---.

JH7A is still the best " low flight " strike platform after the F111---. There is nothing in the chinese or the russian air force to compete with it or replace it---.

Paf has fckd up pakistan many a times---.

Talking just for the sake of it is not a good thing. What authority do you have that PAF rejected Mirage 2000 and Rafales? Not being able to afford something is not the same thing as rejecting it. PAF would gladly take either of those fighters any day of the week. And Mirage F1s and F20 were rejected over F-16 ... a very sensible and wise decision given the difference in capabilities. Just count yourself how many of those types are still in the air vs the number of F-16s.

 

[jupiter2007]

Hi,

Paf also rejected the Hawkeye---it rejected the A6---it rejected the Mirage F1 Mirage 2000----Rafale---F20 Tigershark---.

JH7A is still the best " low flight " strike platform after the F111---. There is nothing in the chinese or the russian air force to compete with it or replace it---.

Paf has fckd up pakistan many a times---.

Regardless of what you say, JH-7A or JH-7B will not join PAF....that chapter has been closed long time ago. We need to look forward and not backward. JF-17 block 3 can have multiple configurations, it’s a multi role fighter.

 

[denel]

Regardless of what you say, JH-7A or JH-7B will not join PAF....that chapter has been closed long time ago. We need to look forward and not backward. JF-17 block 3 can have multiple configurations, it’s a multi role fighter.

Yes but you are falling into the same trap; one vehicle cannot do all; there is a need to specialised role. JH-7 or Su-35 are ideal platforms for deep strike. Jf-17 cannot do that.

JH-7A is a joke and rightly rejected by PAF. And just having a powerful radar does not mean it is capable of defending itself against even a Mig-21/F-7 in WVR combat.

It is not meant for AAC but rather low level delivery; with that same merit we have not see evaluations of PG vs jf-17 yet; i am sure that a Mig17 will outmanouver jf-17 any time as well.

 

[GriffinsRule]

There is no need for a different platform for a specialized role. That is a fallacy. Multirole aircraft exist for that reason.

 

[jupiter2007]

Yes but you are falling into the same trap; one vehicle cannot do all; there is a need to specialised role. JH-7 or Su-35 are ideal platforms for deep strike. Jf-17 cannot do that.


It is not meant for AAC but rather low level delivery; with that same merit we have not see evaluations of PG vs jf-17 yet; i am sure that a Mig17 will outmanouver jf-17 any time as well.

JH7 is not worth wasting money and resource (maintenance cost, etc). It does not have any future, it and old design.

 

[denel]

JH7 is not worth wasting money and resource (maintenance cost, etc). It does not have any future, it and old design.

It is just one option, but remember the mothballed Roses are no fairy either; they are barely being kept together but for how long?

There is no need for a different platform for a specialized role. That is a fallacy. Multirole aircraft exist for that reason.

Well that is your view point. Multi-role are not fit all; jf-17 is too light a class for a deep strike capability.

 

[Thorough Pro]

That is one sweeping statement and I am afraid far from reality, I hope you were/are not a part of "Griffins"

There is no need for a different platform for a specialized role. That is a fallacy. Multirole aircraft exist for that reason.

 

[MastanKhan]

Talking just for the sake of it is not a good thing. What authority do you have that PAF rejected Mirage 2000 and Rafales? Not being able to afford something is not the same thing as rejecting it. PAF would gladly take either of those fighters any day of the week. And Mirage F1s and F20 were rejected over F-16 ... a very sensible and wise decision given the difference in capabilities. Just count yourself how many of those types are still in the air vs the number of F-16s.

Hi,

Are you going to start this story again????

If the Paf hierarchy can afford the BMW's---then they can afford the M2K's.

Yeah F1's / M2K's were rejected for the F16's---that was the worst tactical mistake by the Paf---.

The Jock boys did not have the brains to understand the effects of that decision---they still don't have the courage to admit to the blunder they committed---.

JH7 is not worth wasting money and resource (maintenance cost, etc). It does not have any future, it and old design.

Hi,

The US B52 bomber just got a new 50 years lease on life with its new role---.

 

[Ultima Thule]

JH7 is not worth wasting money and resource (maintenance cost, etc). It does not have any future, it and old design.

Look the B-52 it is 50 year old and will remains through 2050 JH-7A has a lot of new systems and will upgrade in the future with AESA, latest avionics and other subsystems if customers ask @jupiter2007

 

[MastanKhan]

Look the B-52 it is 50 year old and will remains through 2050 JH-7A has a lot of new systems and will upgrade in the future with AESA, latest avionics and other subsystems if customers ask @jupiter2007

Hi,

Dale brown wrote about the upgrade of the B52 bomber some 25 years ago in one of his works of fiction---.

And in the year 2017---the B52 pops up with the same upgrades and functions and launch parameters that he had listed in his fiction novel---.

If you read up on the lives of the retd american flyers---you will find thatevery one of them wanted to fly the F4--F16---F15---F14---F18 and nobody volunteered for the F111---B52's---B1's---B2's---the A6's---the A10----type of aircraft---. They considered them worthless like the PAF pilots do---.

But someone had to fly the american machines---and they did---and did a great job---.

So---please don't believe in the Paf's version that the JH7 is no good---. In its low flight role---it is better than the SU35's and even SU 34's---.

the only aircraft better is the F111 in that category---.

And that is the aircraft that pakistan needs for strike roles over the ocean---.

 

[jupiter2007]

Hi,

Are you going to start this story again????

If the Paf hierarchy can afford the BMW's---then they can afford the M2K's.

Yeah F1's / M2K's were rejected for the F16's---that was the worst tactical mistake by the Paf---.

The Jock boys did not have the brains to understand the effects of that decision---they still don't have the courage to admit to the blunder they committed---.



Hi,

The US B52 bomber just got a new 50 years lease on life with its new role---.

Please don’t compare American B52 bombers to Chinese JH-7A/B 3rd gen design. If we want a heavier bomber/fighter, we will need to invest in a new platform or newer fighter which can be further upgraded, for example J-16, SU-35, SU-57/T-50, J-31 and J-20, etc.

Here is a Photoshop picture of Chinese bomber, it’s a A-50 & JF-17 combo.