PAF's 35 Year Old Modern Day Killer

[Raider 21]

That was a due to mix up in communications, indeed no F-16s were used in the offensive roles which was carried out by the Mirage and JF-17s while the F-16s were patrolling deep inside own territory, hence the reason for their BVR kills.

JF-17s were also maintaining air cover. One of them had a visual on the Viper that downed the Sukhoi.

OT.

I would take Sir Kaiser Tufail's word over any other for multiple reasons. Calling him an internet rambler does nothing to reduce his respect & reputation. It only shows the quality of your class-less trolling.

Debatable. KT has more to the pen than his performance as a pilot and officer. A remarkable man, but there are others who have done better and more. His way of noting experiences down are actually very well written. He's been wrong occasionally, yet his content is worthy to read on his blog.

 

[Dazzler]

The A5s are still parked , not sure if they are usable for rainy days.

They are put to the rest, just like F-6s at Masroor and several other bases.

 

[Khafee]

Please dont degrade the argument by denegrating other with names like kid and child. We are all equal here and here to learn.
Regards
A

When someone is senselessly ridiculed and provoked, for simply hoping for blessings, from his Lord & Master, THE Owner of the universe, reactions can be quite negative. He still remained quite civil.

Please look at what he was replying to.

 

[HAIDER]

F-6s are well retired now however some A-5s have been mothballed as they still retain capability of a certain strike role....should the need arises.

A5c was modified as nuclear strike bomber. Chinese still have fleet for special op. I don't think Pakistan will discard all of them, PAF will keep in storage for a while.

 

[araz]

When someone is senselessly ridiculed and provoked, for simply hoping for blessings, from his Lord & Master, THE Owner of the universe, reactions can be quite negative. He still remained quite civil.

Please look at what he was replying to.

I know my friend. Iam as significant as a spec of dust or less in front of my Lord and master. What has been written is sometimes used colloquially in Pakistan. It is in response to the people who always use Allah's name wity an intention to complete a task, but then dont complete it as a matter of routine. Where as it is not right and should be discouraged I regrettably understand where the original statement comes from. I am just relating this to explain the nature of the people rather than any disrespect to any poster. Two wrongs do not make it right. Denegrating someone is against forum rules which is why I have pointed it out.
A

A5c was modified as nuclear strike bomber. Chinese still have fleet for special op. I don't think Pakistan will discard all of them, PAF will keep in storage for a while.

Is it A5 or do we store M3/5s for this role?
A

 

[araz]

i said inshallah
he ridiculed me for saying inshallah like fools wish blabla and good for nothing people do that.
and in reality is actually have an idea about wht deal is going to happen so they r kids and they will never learn
please check previous comments

I have tried to e plain my point aof view. Please read post #95. While unsavoury it is colloquial term and Keys might have used it in that sense. He is a very senior poster from before my times in 2006. So I felt the "kid" bit was unjustified.
Regards
A

 

[ali_raza]

I have tried to e plain my poi t of view. Please read post #95. While unsavoury it is colloquial term and Keys might have used it in that sense. He is a very senior poster from before my times in 2006. So I felt the "kid" bit was unjustified.
Regards
A

me too i m from 2007 i made my second account in 2010 i guess

 

[umair86]

If it hadn't been for that stupid brainless Hitler Nazi Germany could have been the dominating country today ruling half of the world.

You seem to have a knack of going off topic and throwing your weight around.

Your statements are not entirely true. But kudos to how you deflected your cheerleading - bordering on drooling - for USA and imposed it on someone else, lol.

History tells us an entirely different story to the tune we find you singing praise of the US for. A Europion country by the name Germany has that distinction in my book of being the most hardworking, creative and perfectionists of all.

There is no doubt that US is a great nation of hardworking people that have come from all over the world, no less geniuses from Germany, to prosper in the land of opportunity that became all the more attractive destination after World War II.

Relating back to the thread topic, it was German aviation prowess that advanced American and Russian aviation industry to new heights after they took designers and blue prints of German aviation marvels back to their respective countries and more decided to settle their on their own accunt and the victors made use of them to make unparalleled advancements in their own countries.

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The Nazi German Horten Ho 229, one of aviation’s most futuristic designs.
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Following is one of the designs it "inspired",
Northrop Grumman's concept for a flying wing fighter has similarities to the Hortens' innovative design:
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The Ho 229's design has influenced a Nasa project for a small flying wing which could explore Mars:
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Merely Cheerleading for Germany would have been really really mediocre and cheap of myself, so I decided backing my claims with some relevant facts as a much better approach.

 

[Mav3rick]

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/jf-...-were-around-too-pakistani-spokesperson-says/

Proud to announce, I was project director for JF-17 Thunder program jointly produced by Pakistan and China during the tenure of General Pervez Musharraf,” retired PAF Air Marshall Shahid Latif said in a statement on social media today.

“Today, same jets targeted and shot down Indian Jets which entered Pakistani Airspace,” he added.

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/art...efeated-after-dogfight-with-indian-air-force/

So basically Shahid Latif is a liar, right? As it has been proved that both IAF Jets were downed by AIM-120-C5's which can only be launched by F-16's which means that none of the JF's shot down any IAF Jet.

 

[American Pakistani]

So basically Shahid Latif is a liar, right? As it has been proved that both IAF Jets were downed by AIM-120-C5's which can only be launched by F-16's which means that none of the JF's shot down any IAF Jet.

By that account you might as well consider ISPR liar?

But I believe ISPR more than any F16 fan or any other person online.

 

[The Eagle]

So basically Shahid Latif is a liar, right? As it has been proved that both IAF Jets were downed by AIM-120-C5's which can only be launched by F-16's which means that none of the JF's shot down any IAF Jet.

No one is proven liar or will ever risk his credibility like this. The fact is, such statements are based upon official strategy due to the strategic requirements and in need at that time.

 

[SQ8]

So basically Shahid Latif is a liar, right? As it has been proved that both IAF Jets were downed by AIM-120-C5's which can only be launched by F-16's which means that none of the JF's shot down any IAF Jet.

That is a rather emotional outburst for no reason. Considering that even the initial videos showed the victorious pilot in front of a JF-17.

There was an initial narrative the PAF wanted to take to specifically avoid the infantile whining of the IAF as seen in their press conference. When that no longer had any fruit the real situation was expressed with Kaiser Tufails piece.

 

[Thorough Pro]

It's hard to call someone in the know a liar when all the facts are not known to you.

So basically Shahid Latif is a liar, right? As it has been proved that both IAF Jets were downed by AIM-120-C5's which can only be launched by F-16's which means that none of the JF's shot down any IAF Jet.

 

[Mav3rick]

By that account you might as well consider ISPR liar?

But I believe ISPR more than any F16 fan or any other person online.

No one is proven liar or will ever risk his credibility like this. The fact is, such statements are based upon official strategy due to the strategic requirements and in need at that time.

That is a rather emotional outburst for no reason. Considering that even the initial videos showed the victorious pilot in front of a JF-17.

There was an initial narrative the PAF wanted to take to specifically avoid the infantile whining of the IAF as seen in their press conference. When that no longer had any fruit the real situation was expressed with Kaiser Tufails piece.

It's hard to call someone in the know a liar when all the facts are not known to you.

We know, from various sources, that the Indian fighter(s) was/were shot down by AIM-120-C5 and thus by virtue of it, F-16's. This is a fact now, right?

I can understand the reason to conceal certain facts and to release carefully crafted responses, however to outright lie to the entire world is a different matter altogether. And yes, ISPR openly lied about the thing too especially when Major Ghafoor stated that no F-16's took part in the operation on the 27th/28th Feb, that was not just a strategically placed 'truth', it was a blatant lie which should have been avoided. ISPR could have said that JF's took part in the operations and that we cannot release further information on the participation of other assets at this time.

And why care about the whining of an aggressor, we should have rubbed it in before offering peace.

 

[sparten]

The shoot down was unexpected. Ghafoor had been given the pre attack briefing. That it was Mirages and JF17 which carried out the strikes was known to him. And initially reports were unclear as to which A/C was responsible.