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PAF victories against Israeli Air Force, kept secret for 25 years - Air Commodore (r) Khalid Chishti

We shot down an Indian Su30 with an Israeli pilot if memory serves me correct in feb2019.
Before the Israelis deny that there were none of their personal with India, the munitions used by the IAF where largely Israeli, their advisors and military personnel are there still.
After being humiliated by the PAF, India threatened the following day that they would use ballistic missiles against us. Pakistan countered that and said in return would hit India AND ISRAEL very hard.
If there was no Israeli pilot, Pakistan would not have made such a statement.
This never happened, even if you wish it did.
Of course, just like when the Israelis hadn't planned to bomb kahuta with the Indian pals.
We are well aware Israel keeps a very close eye on us.
I know the Israelis pilots have 'better' things to do, such as bombing defenceless civilians, that's why you guys and the pee drinkers are close
"you guys"? 🤔
He's not Israeli.
You would believe any news that would fit your narrative.

Pakistan is irrelevant to Israel, always has been. It's too far away.
 
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This never happened, even if you wish it did.

"you guys"? 🤔
He's not Israeli.
You would believe any news that would fit your narrative.

Pakistan is irrelevant to Israel, always has been. It's too far away.
Of course, Israel is a very insular country that doesn't care of things beyond her ever expanding borders,
The Zionist are a global disease and only the most simple would believe anything you ( group) says
 
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Of course, just like when the Israelis hadn't planned to bomb kahuta with the Indian pals.
We are well aware Israel keeps a very close eye on us.
I know the Israelis pilots have 'better' things to do, such as bombing defenceless civilians, that's why you guys and the pee drinkers are close
Excuse me
 
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Of course, Israel is a very insular country that doesn't care of things beyond her ever expanding borders,
The Zionist are a global disease and only the most simple would believe anything you ( group) says
Take an IQ test and reevaluate who is simple and who isn't
 
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This never happened, even if you wish it did.

"you guys"? 🤔
He's not Israeli.
You would believe any news that would fit your narrative.

Pakistan is irrelevant to Israel, always has been. It's too far away.

Hurts huh? We shot down your guys, you never got one of ours. Maybe that well publicised aura of invincibility is not all it's cracked up to be.

You can go back to shooting up kids on beaches now.
 
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This never happened, even if you wish it did.

"you guys"? 🤔
He's not Israeli.
You would believe any news that would fit your narrative.

Pakistan is irrelevant to Israel, always has been. It's too far away.
prophet was said all jews will be killed by people of Khorasan and Pakistan is brain of it and Afghanistan is heart of it ..if you are infidel you will never understand
 
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Ironically, many PAF combat pilots were based in Jordan at that time which is now a major Israeli ally in the Middle East. Russian stooge ZA Bhutto had a major role to put Pakistan against Israel in the Egyptian-Syrian adventure although Israel did nothing against Pakistan up until then. However, Israel did take revenge by actively supporting in the 1971 Indian invasion of East Pakistan by supplying logistics and intelligence.
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Guys... are we able to learn anything? In all honesty Israelis dont give a crap about Pakistan. Anyone with a mind would realize that by now. What the majority of our people think about them is really not true. In all honesty. I have worked with Israelis and they admire our hard work and morals.

The whole kahuta rumour is just a rumour. There is literally no credible intelligence that Israel ever planned to attack Pakistan. No reason, no threat. Pakistan never threatened Israel and vice versa. Ben Gurion and Qaid Azam are from a completely different time.

We have no beef. All this propaganda is just progaganda. Our enemies our to our direct east/west.

We can choose our present and future. Not our past. Our past enemies may not be our present/future enemies. We must follow REALPOLITIK. In this world there is no such thing as permanent enemies or permannet friends.

Keep in mind many of the members here are first time newbies. Keep in mind some of our guests here are Jewish. The Jewish people have honestly suffered a lot even in the last few decades. I personally am witness to anti semitism and hatred against muslims.

As muslims/pakistanis we must learn to think out of the box. It does not mean we compromise on Palestine. It does not mean we compromise on our morals.

It simply means we must accept certain differences and learn to accept that in this life we must work together to keep a semblance of peace. So when we have our Jewish friends WHO ARE WILLING TO GO OUT OF THE WAY TO COME DISCUSS ON THIS FORUM THAT WE LOOK AT FACTS AND PUT OPINIONS/SUPERSTITIONS ASIDE.
 
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Ask yourself why did Israel activate their THAD missile defense system in Feb 2019.


Puny Israel probably shit it's pants that Pakistan is angry and not scared to go head on with 6 times larger India then what chance their tiny country have.
 
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Military scholars have noted that in every Indo-Pak war both sides are known to make so many mistakes that it was laughable... thats really how bad both forces were in tactics. One prime example being the surrender of 1971 where our generals in the east believed the Indians were outnumbering them when in reality india barely had a few thousand troops near dhaka. Makenshaw played a pyschological game and made ayub tremble.

But who could blame ayub for dismembering his great nation? ayub had better things to do like get drunk off jack and meet his lovely whores in rawalpindi, and blackmailing Fatima Jinnah (one of the founders of Pakistan). What lovely generals we have.

Today though things would be much different. Pakistani military forces have had immense experience over the last few decades, something that the Indians lack.

Wt the hell are u on about !

by 71 Ayub khan had resigned and was replaced by Yahya khan.

Undisputed fact is that Pakistan had only one corps comprising three divisions in East Pakistan during 1971. In fact when operation search light began on 25th March, 1971, the total number of Pakistani troops on ground were around 27,000.
The three divisions, of Pakistan army, by end November 1971, comprised a total force of 45,000, on books, including combatant and non-combatant troops. Out of these, there were 34,000 combatant troops and the remaining 11,000 were non-combatants, supporting men and CAF personnel.

This one corps was pitched against three corps of Indian Army from the West and North West and another two corps from the North East and East, a total of five Indian Corps plus 175,000 Indian backed and trained Mukti Bahini and many thousands of Awami League miscreants.

The figure of 93,000 prisions also included children, women, civil administration officials and staff, non-combatant troops such as nurses, doctors, cooks, barbers, shoemakers, carpenters and others. The higher number talked about was a deliberate attempt to defame and demoralize Pakistani army, to demonstrate to the world extent of Indian victory. It was also helpful in putting meat to the story of three million killed, hundreds and thousands of rapes and genocide. An army of less than 40,000, spread over a large theatre of conflict under attack from guerrillas supported by Indian army was hardly in a situation of doing what it was accused of.
 
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Wt the hell are u on about !

by 71 Ayub khan had resigned and was replaced by Yahya khan.

Undisputed fact is that Pakistan had only one corps comprising three divisions in East Pakistan during 1971. In fact when operation search light began on 25th March, 1971, the total number of Pakistani troops on ground were around 27,000.
The three divisions, of Pakistan army, by end November 1971, comprised a total force of 45,000, on books, including combatant and non-combatant troops. Out of these, there were 34,000 combatant troops and the remaining 11,000 were non-combatants, supporting men and CAF personnel.

This one corps was pitched against three corps of Indian Army from the West and North West and another two corps from the North East and East, a total of five Indian Corps plus 175,000 Indian backed and trained Mukti Bahini and many thousands of Awami League miscreants.

The figure of 93,000 prisions also included children, women, civil administration officials and staff, non-combatant troops such as nurses, doctors, cooks, barbers, shoemakers, carpenters and others. The higher number talked about was a deliberate attempt to defame and demoralize Pakistani army, to demonstrate to the world extent of Indian victory. It was also helpful in putting meat to the story of three million killed, hundreds and thousands of rapes and genocide. An army of less than 40,000, spread over a large theatre of conflict under attack from guerrillas supported by Indian army was hardly in a situation of doing what it was accused of.

Ok my mistake. I honestly meant YAHYA KHAN. To many Khans to keep track of. My point still stands.

Yahya khan was to drunk to give a crap.

Bhutto was to arrogant to accept a Bengali beat his in a election fair and square.

Either way does that change the present? NO

Does it change the future? YES, but ONLY IF WE ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT WHAT THE LIBERAL BASTARDS DID IN THE PAST.

Lastly, please read history. Reality is our generals in the east surrendered thinking that the Indians had far more troops than they really had. We gave up without a fight. Compare that to the Israelis or Nazis who fought till the end. Our generals were the biggest traitors. Thats reality
 
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