Padmavati Row: Karni Sena Goons Brandish Sword In Times NOW Studio, But Clueless About Mewar History

[BDforever]

 

[indoPunjabi]

All this drama is staged. This is Part of the PROMOTION of padmavati. Once the movie is released all this dramebaaz will disappear like ghosts.

 

[YeBeWarned]

what is the Fuzz about Padawati ? is she some Goddess ? and what exactly they show negative about her in movie ? @Joe Shearer any idea ?
by the way, 500,000,00 for chopping off head for a movie ? seems like Hindu ISIS/Extremist , these people are swallowing India ..

 

[Joe Shearer]

what is the Fuzz about Padawati ? is she some Goddess ? and what exactly they show negative about her in movie ? @Joe Shearer any idea ?

1. She is possibly a real figure, but the first mentions are in an allegorical poem by a Muslim poet written four hundred years after Alauddin Khalji; we know he existed, we don't know that she does.
2. They show her dancing the kind of dance court ladies in waiting might dance, but that for a Maharani might seem unbecoming; nothing vulgar, just that queens don't break into sexy, hip-movement heavy dances in an open court.
3. They show her (I believe - the movie hasn't been released yet, so how would anyone know?) dreaming about Khalji; wildly unlikely, unless she had serious problems with her marriage and with her sex life.
4. When Khalji finally was on the brink of capturing Chitor, the women burnt themselves alive. This is fact, and the famous poet Khusrau testified to it. But whether Padmini, or Padmavati, was part of this horrific ritual or not is not clearly known, because her existence itself is not confirmed.

The bits in the legend were that when her husband refused to bring her out of purdah for the unwelcome guest to see her (all before war broke out), Khalji asked if he could at least see her in a mirror, to which they unwillingly agreed, and that did all the more damage, because Khalji fell head over heels for her. There is no historical record of any such meeting; Amir Khusrao would surely have mentioned it.

What is fact is that Khalji took the relatively small tract occupied by the Shamsi Sultans, the first few Sultans of Delhi who settled in permanently, and who form part of the Slave Dynasty, started by Qutbuddin Aibak, and whose second Sultan was the Ilbari Turk Shams-ud-din Iltutmish, or Altamsh, and expanded it into one of the largest empires in Indian history. The first Khalji to sit on the Delhi throne, after the grandson and great-grandson of the tough old buzzard, Ghiyasuddin Balban, was Jalaluddin Khalji. Alauddin Khalji was this man's brother's son, and killed his uncle to inherit the kingdom.

He was not known for any emotional weaknesses.

The screen is just another gaudy spectacle of the type that bhansali specialises in. He stuck one into the middle of Saratchandra's austere and women-centric love triangle Devdas. The man needs to be on particularly potent chemicals. However, the vulgarity of his movies does not justify what the pack is baying for. We are rapidly becoming what we had condemned only four years ago.

 

[YeBeWarned]

1. She is possibly a real figure, but the first mentions are in an allegorical poem by a Muslim poet written four hundred years after Alauddin Khalji; we know he existed, we don't know that she does.
2. They show her dancing the kind of dance court ladies in waiting might dance, but that for a Maharani might seem unbecoming; nothing vulgar, just that queens don't break into sexy, hip-movement heavy dances in an open court.
3. They show her (I believe - the movie hasn't been released yet, so how would anyone know?) dreaming about Khalji; wildly unlikely, unless she had serious problems with her marriage and with her sex life.
4. When Khalji finally was on the brink of capturing Chitor, the women burnt themselves alive. This is fact, and the famous poet Khusrau testified to it. But whether Padmini, or Padmavati, was part of this horrific ritual or not is not clearly known, because her existence itself is not confirmed.

The bits in the legend were that when her husband refused to bring her out of purdah for the unwelcome guest to see her (all before war broke out), Khalji asked if he could at least see her in a mirror, to which they unwillingly agreed, and that did all the more damage, because Khalji fell head over heels for her. There is no historical record of any such meeting; Amir Khusrao would surely have mentioned it.

What is fact is that Khalji took the relatively small tract occupied by the Shamsi Sultans, the first few Sultans of Delhi who settled in permanently, and who form part of the Slave Dynasty, started by Qutbuddin Aibak, and whose second Sultan was the Ilbari Turk Shams-ud-din Iltutmish, or Altamsh, and expanded it into one of the largest empires in Indian history. The first Khalji to sit on the Delhi throne, after the grandson and great-grandson of the tough old buzzard, Ghiyasuddin Balban, was Jalaluddin Khalji. Alauddin Khalji was this man's brother's son, and killed his uncle to inherit the kingdom.

He was not known for any emotional weaknesses.

The screen is just another gaudy spectacle of the type that bhansali specialises in. He stuck one into the middle of Saratchandra's austere and women-centric love triangle Devdas. The man needs to be on particularly potent chemicals. However, the vulgarity of his movies does not justify what the pack is baying for. We are rapidly becoming what we had condemned only four years ago.

So the Ultimate sacrifice of these women that may or may not include Padmawati make them some sort of mythical God like beings .. the comments so far i get from watching some debates on India Channels Rajput are pretty upset about it , but one comment was specifically about showing that lady doing sexual stuff .. can't say if its true but again as you say we have to wait till movie release ..
but it does seems she is well documented partly ..

 

[airmarshal]

https://www.siasat.com/news/india-grateful-alauddin-khilji-1262285/

 

[pothead]

So the Ultimate sacrifice of these women that may or may not include Padmawati make them some sort of mythical God like beings

dear sir, your logic applies to every revered figure on this planet.
That Khilji existed is a fact.
That thousands of woman killed themselves rather than be slaves is a fact.

What is also fact is the Oral history of rajasthan does indeed mention Padmavati. Only written history is NOT considered as "history". India has a tradition of Oral history that has been passed down for thousands of years.

As an example, no one knows where the original book of mahabharatha written by Vyas is? But everyone in India knows Mahabharatha was recorded by Veda Vyas. This fact is passed on through oral history, just like Mahabharatha. Only in later generation did authors write their own interpretations of mahabharatha.

Same is the case with Ramayana.

Unfortunately Rajputs has not "written" any history books on Padmavati who was as real as Khilji who ultimately lead her to jauhar.

 

[Joe Shearer]

https://www.siasat.com/news/india-grateful-alauddin-khilji-1262285/

Sorry, but this is exaggerated.

First, the main brunt of the Mongol invasions - raids is a more accurate term - was taken by Balban and his predecessor, his son-in-law, the harmless Nasiruddin, who was a figurehead while Balban himself ruled.

A table will show the situation; coming up.

dear sir, your logic applies to every revered figure on this planet.
That Khilji existed is a fact.
That thousands of woman killed themselves rather than be slaves is a fact.

What is also fact is the Oral history of rajasthan does indeed mention Padmavati. Only written history is NOT considered as "history". India has a tradition of Oral history that has been passed down for thousands of years.

As an example, no one knows where the original book of mahabharatha written by Vyas is? But everyone in India knows Mahabharatha was recorded by Veda Vyas. This fact is passed on through oral history, just like Mahabharatha. Only in later generation did authors write their own interpretations of mahabharatha.

Same is the case with Ramayana.

Unfortunately Rajputs has not "written" any history books on Padmavati who was as real as Khilji who ultimately lead her to jauhar.

To equate the poetic fantasies of bards with any kind of history is really a losing proposition. The Mahabharata is itself not a composition of one person, but is a series of stories imposed one on top of the other, and visible as a core story and as interpolations. The Bhagavat Gita is the best known interpolation.

That Khalji existed is a fact. That many women (thousands in Indian mythology, from whichever community it might be, is like the Hottentot 'many' for any number over three) died is a fact. Nothing else is.

Even the oral history that is mentioned so glibly here is clearly the work of those who have written after Jaisi, so their having taken inspiration from his allegory is not ruled out.

 

[pothead]

To equate the poetic fantasies of bards with any kind of history is really a losing proposition. The Mahabharata is itself not a composition of one person, but is a series of stories imposed one on top of the other, and visible as a core story and as interpolations. The Bhagavat Gita is the best known interpolation.

That Khalji existed is a fact. That many women (thousands in Indian mythology, from whichever community it might be, is like the Hottentot 'many' for any number over three) died is a fact. Nothing else is.

Even the oral history that is mentioned so glibly here is clearly the work of those who have written after Jaisi, so their having taken inspiration from his allegory is not ruled out.

Sir, I am not commenting on the liberties of a long gone poet and his fantasies. For me that aspect is moot.

Before I reply, I think this controversy is childish. What ever faults of Bhansali as film maker are, I am pretty certain he would have done justice to rani Padvamati's character in the film.
The whole thing reeks of politics.
There are few films in past Hindus could have objected to, particularly few scenes in those films, not sure Padmavati fits that bill.

Having said, Mahabharatha is written by Veda Vyas. This is not even debatable at this point, not because I am saying but because as a child in my village I have seen this enacted orally, numerous times.

Similar with Padmavati. A lot of Indian history is Oral. Just to dismiss it off the cuff is not doing justice to the discourse.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sir, I am not commenting on the liberties of a long gone poet and his fantasies. For me that aspect is moot.

Before I reply, I think this controversy is childish. What ever faults of Bhansali as film maker are, I am pretty certain he would have done justice to rani Padvamati's character in the film.
The whole thing reeks of politics.
There are few films in past Hindus could have objected to, particularly few scenes in those films, not sure Padmavati fits that bill.

Having said, Mahabharatha is written by Veda Vyas. This is not even debatable at this point, not because I am saying but because as a child in my village I have seen this enacted orally, numerous times.

Similar with Padmavati. A lot of Indian history is Oral. Just to dismiss it off the cuff is not doing justice to the discourse.

Don't be silly.

What you have heard as a child is not evidence. There is an enormous body of evidence that the Mahabharata is an incrementally developed tale, and that the core is a small fraction of what the extended work is.

Take the trouble of finding out basics first, please.

My Oriya thakur used to recite both the epics in the afternoons for three hours each day. That doesn't mean that he composed them. Nor even that his claim as to who had composed them holds water.

 

[Maarkhoor]

All this drama is staged. This is Part of the PROMOTION of padmavati. Once the movie is released all this dramebaaz will disappear like ghosts.

lols,
Jab tak Deppika ka sar nahien katay gha, RSS kiddies ko yeh sab drama hi lagey gha.

 

[Joe Shearer]

https://www.siasat.com/news/india-grateful-alauddin-khilji-1262285/

http://www.mongolianculture.com/MONGOL-ARMIES.htm

 

[indoPunjabi]

lols,
Jab tak Deppika ka sar nahien katay gha, RSS kiddies ko yeh sab drama hi lagey gha.

Don't worry about deepika she'll be safe... This is not pakistan (qandeel baloch)

 

[Babur The Uzbek Tiger]

Don't worry about deepika she'll be safe... This is not pakistan (qandeel baloch)

Very bold words from a stateless minority.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Don't worry about deepika she'll be safe... This is not pakistan (qandeel baloch)

India is far worse for women if you compare with Pakistan, Qandeel Case is different and still in court.
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