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The United Kingdom’s conservative government is moving forward with a potentially controversial strategic defense review. If previous reviews are any indication, the U.K. armed forces are about to suffer deep cuts.

Problem is, there’s not much left to cut. Her Majesty’s Armed Forces already are too small, largely out of date and suffering from yawning capability gaps.

The issue, as always, is money. Economic figures from April, the first full month of government-mandated lockdown aimed at slowing the novel-coronavirus pandemic, show a 2o% fall in the United Kingdom’s gross domestic product. Government borrowing could grow to double what London borrowed during the 2008 financial crisis.

Against this fiscal free-fall, “defense is not likely to be top of the government’s list of spending priorities,” the Royal United Services Institute warned.

Periodic reviews since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 have shrunk the British military roughly by half.

The most recent rounds of cuts starting in 2010 eliminated, among other forces, two light aircraft carriers, two amphibious ships and four frigates, plus the Royal Air Force’s maritime patrol planes and carrier-compatible Harrier jump jets. Uniformed manpower dropped by 30,000.

The British Army shrank by 29,000 soldiers. The army also lost 89 of its 316 Challenger 2 tanks and a third or so of its roughly 130 self-propelled howitzers.

“The 2010 [Strategic Defense and Security Review] was not an attempt to design Britain’s armed forces around existential threats,” analyst Nicholas Drummond tweeted. “It was about using the navy, army and air force to reduce the deficit resulting from the global financial crisis.”

Before the current pandemic, defense funding stabilized at around $55 billion annually. In 2017 and 2018, the government was able to allocate to the armed forces an extra $2 billion above planned spending levels, enough to employ 196,000 active and reserve sailors, soldiers, airmen and civilian personnel.

The extra money in part came from a $13 billion reserve fund for four new Dreadnought-class ballistic-missile submarines that the Royal Navy is developing at a total cost of around $39 billion, which is nearly as much as the entire British military spends in a year.

The navy in recent years has managed to buy back, in the form of two new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers, some of the capability it had lost. The air force did the same in acquiring nine new P-8 maritime patrol planes.

But the British military nevertheless is an increasingly hollow force. The aircraft carriers lack adequate numbers of embarked fighters, escorts and support vessels. The army’s Challenger 2 tanks and self-propelled howitzers haven’t received significant upgrades in decades. There aren’t enough heavy trucks to haul the armored vehicles around Europe.

“The U.K.’s ground forces are comprehensively out-gunned and out-ranged, leaving enemy artillery free to prosecute fire missions with impunity,” the Royal United Services Institute argued in a November 2019 report. “This must ultimately lead to the defeat of U.K. units.”

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Pre-pandemic, defense officials planned on building and maintaining a fleet including the two carriers, six Type 45 destroyers, eight Type 26 frigates, five low-cost Type 31 frigates, seven Astute-class attack submarine, 24 patrol vessels, 12 mine-hunters, five amphibious assault ships and nine logistics ships, together embarking six helicopter squadrons and 48 F-35 stealth fighters.

The air force would possess at least 20 Reaper-style armed drones, seven squadrons of Typhoon fighters each with around a dozen planes and two squadrons of F-35s plus 26 patrol, surveillance and command planes, 44 cargo planes and 14 tankers.

The army would have two tank brigades, two mechanized brigades, six infantry brigades, a parachute brigade and 15 helicopter and drone squadrons, each with around 15 aircraft. In Western armies, a tank brigade typically possesses as many as 100 tanks.

This force now seems unlikely. “Today, we are faced with a another crisis that has holed the government's budget below the waterline,” Drummond tweeted. “It requires belt-tightening on a grand scale. There are no votes in defense, so again we should expect it to be an easy source of extra cash.”

If cuts to the armed forces are inevitable, London must decide how to cut them. There are two options. Eliminate entire categories of forces while preserving those forces that remain. Or reduce all existing forces by the same proportion. “Salami-slicing,” experts call the latter.

The 2020 defense review “will have to make choices and set priorities, even though both are difficult for governments who prefer to keep their options open,” RUSI stated. “But the classic response of salami-slicing defense while retaining all of the options, even at lower mass or readiness, is becoming unsustainable given the current size of the U.K.’s armed forces.”

Indeed, if rumors are true, the U.K. defense ministry is weighing wholesale reductions. A new round of cuts could all but eliminate the Royal Marines, remove from service the air force’s C-130 airlifters and Puma helicopters and decommission the navy’s mine-hunters.

But there still could be some significant salami-slicing. The army could lose 19,000 of its 74,000 active troops, likely meaning the elimination of several brigades.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...000-soldiers-plus-airlifters-and-helicopters/
 
Prospects are really worrying. Shrinking European economies and future massive recovery plans shouldn't undermine the modernization and expension of European armed forces initiated over the last few years. This crisis isn't making the world a better and safer place,in fact it's the contrary.

Although it will be hard to justify rising defence spendings when the public actually wants more spending going to healthcare,public services etc. Let's see how defence will be affected over the coming months.
 
The fact is nobody in the UK wants to join the Army unless they are paid some crazy salary.

The Tanks and Howitzers probably did not receive upgrades because hardly anybody was using them for training purposes. Sounds like a lack of manpower issue. Not enough Drivers, Gunners and Engineers for the Armoured and Artillery brigades.

The UK should probably look at opening their own version of the French Foreign Legion or if not just stick to hiring more soldiers from it's former colonies.
 
Prospects are really worrying. Shrinking European economies and future massive recovery plans shouldn't undermine the modernization and expension of European armed forces initiated over the last few years. This crisis isn't making the world a better and safer place,in fact it's the contrary.

Although it will be hard to justify rising defence spendings when the public actually wants more spending going to healthcare,public services etc. Let's see how defence will be affected over the coming months.

Is France cutting its defence spending??

In Australia its the opposite it is now increased and PM announced the defence spending will be long term as it will amount to 270 Billion being spent to counter China until now that Australia realised that China has to be contained due to China moving into Australias turf which is Oceania.
 
Is France cutting its defence spending??

As of yet no cuts have been announced to defence. The ministry will most likely fight hard to avoid any cuts and get its planned yearly budget increase of €1.7 billion as part of the military programming law.

Defence will most likely be part of the planned massive recovery plan given the importance of the French military industry and several MPs and senators have highlighted the fact that €1 invested in defence brings nearly twice in the long term to the French economy..... defence industry represents more than 4.500 companies and 200.000 jobs and a turnover of billions of €....
 
The people in the driving seats are not working in the interests of the country in which they have been elected. They are traitors.

Slowly but surely they are weakening the « Europeans » armed forces...

They have already weakened those countries and their societies from inside, now they are attacking to their defence and also to their offensive capabilities.
 
I am seeing Russia the moment Corona is over getting more aggressive. These cuts are suicidal.
 
I think we in the UK can afford to reduce the size of our army by 50-80%. The UK will not get involved in another landwar with any one anytime soon. We just dont need an army of the size we have now..

We should also reduce our military presence in the EU countries, and let them fend for themselves. I dont see why we UK tax payers should pay to defend the countries of the EU, when those EU countries have turned the Brexit process so toxic and reduced it to no more than an attempted grab of our money, laws, land and fish !!!!

We have already made the capital investments in the Navy and airforce, and those are the only two areas we need to focus on. Dreadnought needs to complete, as does Tempest.
 
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Prospects are really worrying. Shrinking European economies and future massive recovery plans shouldn't undermine the modernization and expension of European armed forces initiated over the last few years. This crisis isn't making the world a better and safer place,in fact it's the contrary.

Although it will be hard to justify rising defence spendings when the public actually wants more spending going to healthcare,public services etc. Let's see how defence will be affected over the coming months.
Money are always problematic obstacle but main issue is that western europeans simply don’t have anymore fighting spirit left after decades of liberal brainwashing plus their countries don’t face existential threat like it was during cold war all of this results in lack of interest to join the army
 
I think we in the UK can afford to reduce the size of our army by 50-80%. The UK will not get involved in another landwar with any one anytime soon. We just dont need an army of the size we have now..

We should also reduce our military presence in the EU countries, and let them fend for themselves. I dont see why we UK tax payers should pay to defend the countries of the EU, when those EU countries have turned the Brexit process so toxic and reduced it to no more than an attempted grab of our money, laws, land and fish !!!!

We have already made the capital investments in the Navy and airforce, and those are the only two areas we need to focus on. Dreadnought needs to complete, as does Tempest.

The deployment of British troops to eastern Europe and the prospect of military assistance to those countries are your NATO duties and commitments,has nothing to do with the European Union,these countries being part of the EU is irrelevent here.
 
The deployment of British troops to eastern Europe and the prospect of military assistance to those countries are your NATO duties and commitments,has nothing to do with the European Union,these countries being part of the EU is irrelevent here.

There should be no peace time deployments of British Landforces permamently based in Eastern Europe. Period. If we need to have troops out there under wartime conditions, then that is far. It is not far to the UK to have peace time deployments to "shore" up under-investment in defence by EU countries who refuse to pay their fair share interms of military spending like the UK(and a small amount of EU countries do). That is unacceptable ...
 
The deployment of British troops to eastern Europe and the prospect of military assistance to those countries are your NATO duties and commitments,has nothing to do with the European Union,these countries being part of the EU is irrelevent here.

Actually it is perfectly relevant. UK does not need to pay anything to defend Europe from a land invasion, after the nastiness shown during the Brexit negotiations, even more so. French need to learn how to fight their own wars and not run like cowards for a change.

Begging for defense of Europe while acting like a colonial power propping up military juntas like Haftar in Africa.
 
There should be no peace time deployments of British Landforces permamently based in Eastern Europe. Period. If we need to have troops out there under wartime conditions, then that is far. It is not far to the UK to have peace time deployments to "shore" up under-investment in defence by EU countries who refuse to pay their fair share interms of military spending like the UK(and a small amount of EU countries do). That is unacceptable ...

Lowest % of defence spending as proportion of the GDP is found among western Europe and some central European nations. Most eastern European countries (if not all!) are already spending 2% of their GDP to defence.

They have already initiated armed forces expension and modernization,so yes they are already paying their fair share,relative to their GDP and size.

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Lowest % of defence spending as proportion of the GDP is found among western Europe and some central European nations. Most eastern European countries (if not all!) are already spending 2% of their GDP to defence.

They have already initiated armed forces expension and modernization,so yes they are already paying their fair share,relative to their GDP and size.

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Just highlights my poi nt thast most of the countries in the EU are NOT pulling their weight, and I, as a UK tax payer, I am tired of my tax money being spent to defend EU countries..... truly.
 
Disgraceful Tory claptrap. They claim to be the party of patriotism but have led the way in terms of the most handful cuts to U.K. forces.
I hope the people make a commotion about this, what is left to cut in a force already cut? We posses around 300 tanks....
 
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