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A correspondent and a photographer of The New York Times, traveling with American generals in northern Syria, visited a city where armed conflict is now possible between the United States and Turkey.



MANBIJ, Syria — Two senior American generals came to the front line outside the Syrian city of Manbij on Wednesday flying outsized American flags on their vehicles, in case pro-Turkish forces just the other side of the no man’s land, 20 yards away, did not realize who they were.
“We’re very proud of our positions here, and we want to make sure everybody knows it,” said Maj. Gen. Jamie Jarrard, the Special Operations commander for the American-led coalition in Iraq and Syria.

If the message to Turkey was not clear already, the overall coalition commander accompanying General Jarrard, Lt. Gen. Paul Funk, elaborated. “You hit us, we will respond aggressively. We will defend ourselves.”

The trip was the first by such senior United States military officers to the front in northern Syria since Turkey’s president threatened to attack the city of Manbij, calling it a bastion of terrorists and demanding that American forces leave.
But the Americans have refused, creating the potential for an unprecedented armed conflict between two NATO allies, the United States and Turkey — the latest twist on the seven-year-old war in Syria.
This part of Syria’s north was once overrun by Islamic State militants. The United States and its allies, Syrian Kurdish fighters, collaborated more than a year ago to evict them.


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Lt. Gen. Paul Funk, left, talked to an American Special Forces soldier at the Manbij outpost. Credit Mauricio Lima for The New York Times

But in the effort, the United States angered Turkey, which has long regarded the Kurds as enemies. Now the Turks are turning their guns on the Kurds, setting up a possible fight with the Americans.

General Funk had an automatic pistol slung across his vest. His three uniform stars would have been easily visible with binoculars to the Syrian militias aligned with Turkey on the other side of the front line, as he stood on a sandbagged roof. He was surrounded by Special Forces soldiers, and Arab and Kurdish fighters from the Manbij Military Council, the government authority in the region.

The two generals arrived at the border post in unarmored cars, in an entourage that included several mine-resistant armored personnel carriers, as well as Land Cruisers for Special Forces soldiers, with antennas, spare tires and jerrycans on their roofs.

Manbij is the farthest west that the Americans, aligned with the Syrian Democratic Forces insurgent group in the fight against the Islamic State, are stationed.

Showing off the Stars and Stripes in this city is not at all extraordinary. American military vehicles usually fly flags on what they call de-escalation patrols through the city and province of Manbij. The patrols are so frequent that children have learned to flash the thumb-and-little finger wiggle gesture popularized by American soldiers.

Women in full chadors smile and wave at their convoys, and American soldiers even visit the crowded bazaar in unarmored cars, disembarking on foot with only sidearms, according to locals — unusual for any place at risk of an Islamic State attack. “I would feel very comfortable anywhere in northeastern Syria,” General Jarrard said.

Similarly the relationship between the Americans and the Manbij Military Council is comfortable and cordial, and the Americans have praised its efforts to restore a stable government.

Standing on the front-line rooftop, General Funk addressed the military council’s commander, Muhammed Abu Adel: “The lasting defeat of ISIS is the most important mission for this group,” he told Commander Adel, a Kurd, although the majority of his fighters are local Arabs. “It’s in your hands now and you’re doing a good job. One team, one fight.”

Commander Adel thanked him, and said he hoped American air power would continue to assist his forces. The general did not respond directly.

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An American Special Forces convoy outside Manbij, where American forces are supporting Syrian Kurdish fighters. Credit Mauricio Lima for The New York Times

The American support for Manbij has particularly alarmed Turkey. It is waging a military campaign to take the Kurdish-held city of Afrin, 80 miles west, while pursuing an unusually outspoken public relations campaign to threaten Manbij and make the Americans depart, so that Syrian militias aligned with Turkish forces can take it from America’s Kurdish-led allies.

On Tuesday, once again, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey criticized the American support of Manbij. “They tell us, ‘Don’t come to Manbij.’ We will come to Manbij to hand over these territories to their rightful owners,” Mr. Erdogan said in a speech to his party. The Turkish deputy prime minister went so far as to suggest American troops in Manbij are wearing uniforms of the Kurdish People’s Protection Forces, or Y.P.G., and said they could become targets.

The Y.P.G. dominates Kurdish areas of northern Syria and is the main component of the Syrian Democratic Forces, the American allies in the fight against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS and Daesh.

But in Manbij, both the Americans and the Kurds insist, the defending force is the Manbij Military Council, an ally of the Syrian Democratic Forces, but independent and composed mostly of Arab fighters.

The Turks depict the Y.P.G. as a version of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party or P.K.K., a separatist group regarded as a terrorist organization by the United States and Europe.

“If we are terrorist,” said Commander Adel, during the generals’ visit Wednesday, “O.K., then all of the countries in the coalition and these American soldiers here are terrorist too?” The American-led anti-ISIS coalition has more than 70 member countries.

The Turks say the Manbij Military Council is just the Y.P.G. in disguise. The Americans and Kurds say the council is allied with the Kurdish-dominated Syrian Democratic Forces, but most of its fighters are local Arabs.

The American military has sought to persuade Turkey that the Manbij forces are reliable allies, and important in the fight against ISIS elsewhere. Previously, the Americans hosted meetings between Turkish military officers and Manbij officers to try to convince them, but those meetings ceased this year. General Funk said the Turks had declined an invitation to Manbij this year.

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Fighters with the Manbij Military Council conferring near a group of American Special Forces soldiers at the front-line outpost near Manbij. Credit Mauricio Lima for The New York Times

Last month President Erdogan was infuriated when the Americans announced they were forming a 30,000-strong permanent border protection force in Kurd-held areas as a long-term way to fight ISIS, using the Syrian Democratic Forces. On Jan. 20, the Turks responded with an offensive against Afrin, threatening to continue on straight across northern Syria. “The U.S. says that they have cleared Daesh from Syria,” Mr. Erdogan said Tuesday. “Why are you still here?”

The Americans say the fight against ISIS is far from over in Syria, even though the group has been expelled from all urban areas, like Manbij, which the Americans and their Syrian allies cleared in the summer of 2016.

The Americans have vowed to stay in Manbij and support their allies. But the American forces in Manbij number only a few hundred out of a total of 2,000 in all of northern Syria, mostly Special Operations troops. The Turks and their allied militias, the Free Syrian Army fighting around Afrin, are estimated at 20,000 in all. Both Turks and Americans have substantial air forces in the area.

Even if the Turks do not carry out their threats, the fight in Afrin has indirectly hurt the American-led fight against ISIS. As the Syrian Democratic Forces shift fighters to the battle in Afrin, they have weakened the ISIS campaign far to the east.

“It’s illogical that while we are fighting ISIS, the enemy of the world, over there, the Turks attack us in Afrin,” said Shervan Derwish, the spokesman for the Manbij Military Council. “Our fight against ISIS has had to be minimized as we reduce our power there to defend Afrin.”

The military council, supported by American Special Operations troops and air power, defeated ISIS in Manbij in August 2016, and then established a local government administration that has controlled the area since. “Before they got here, this was a highway for Islamist terrorist fighters into the physical caliphate from all over the world,” General Jarrard said.

The council remains an important part of the effort to fight ISIS, with many of its fighters alongside American forces in the eastern part of the country, where the last pockets of ISIS control remain.

American policymakers worry that the Afrin conflict, and the threat against Manbij, will degrade their Kurdish and Arab allies.
Is Turkey’s Syria Offensive Endangering U.S. Troops?

Turkey's president has said he wants his forces to take the Syrian city of Manbij. The problem is that the United States is already there.
By DAVID BOTTI and BARBARA MARCOLINI on Publish Date January 24, 2018. Photo by Susannah George/Associated Press. Watch in Times Video »

“I think our main concern is that anything that disrupts everybody’s focus on ISIS and eliminating the complete physical caliphate — and we’re close, we’re very close — something people couldn’t have imagined a year ago — anything that disrupts us or takes our eye off that prize, is not good,” General Jarrard said.

General Funk said the Americans prefer to “maintain focus on the enemy in front of you and mow him down — that’s much easier than having to look in multiple directions.”

In Manbij, initial alarm at the Turkish threats has dissipated as the Turkish campaign against Afrin, which the Turks had vowed to overrun in a few days, has dragged into a third week.
The local civil government is modeled on principles of the Kurdish separatist leader, Abdullah Ocalan, who is imprisoned in Turkey: enforced equality for women in civil and military life, moderate socialism, and radical environmentalism.

The Turks’ view is that the Kurds have imposed a system of governance in Manbij at odds with the area’s conservative, traditional society. The American military, however, says that the Kurds and their allies have managed to bring stability. “There are a lot of people that do equate them with the P.K.K., but I have not seen any indication of that in my dealings with them throughout our relationship,” General Jarrard said.

There is little doubt that the bulk of Manbij soldiers are Arabs, but their key leaders are Kurdish, with backgrounds in the Y.P.G. The Manbij Military Council leader, Muhammed Abu Adel, is Kurdish, as is Mr. Derwish, the council’s influential spokesman, who has a prominent photograph of Abdullah Ocalan on the wall of his office.

“What’s strange to me is that Turkey, as a member of NATO, is making this war against us under the name of jihad, but we are only democrats,” Mr. Derwish said. “In our society, women are free, we have equality and democracy. And they want to destroy us.”

General Funk, a veteran of Iraq and other deployments, said Syria had been “delightful” by comparison. “People are trying to get back to their normal way of living,” he said. “As long as people keep working together on that local governance and local control, I see hope.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/world/middleeast/us-turkey-manbij-kurds.html
 
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Friends yesterday , enemies today, lovers tomorrow?

Seems like the Americans are encircling Turkey or are they encircling the world. Totally confusing.
 
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US is the worlds largest state sponsor of terrorism. They are racist Islamophobic and supporting terrorism openly to destabilize Muslim world.
@LeGenD

Some Pakistanis will claim Americans are the best partner Pakistanis has worked with and is still essential to work with. Losing some sovereignty to exchange for American goodies is worth it.
 
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@LeGenD

Some Pakistanis will claim Americans are the best partner Pakistanis has worked with and is still essential to work with. Losing some sovereignty to exchange for American goodies is worth it.
You need to stop your trolling or I will report you. Do not test my patience.

State-to-state relations tend to be too complex for a lone individual like you or me to handwave just like that.

China has earned the distinction of being the largest trading partner of the US in recent years; in-spite of tensions with US in South China Sea and deployment of THAAD system in South Korea. Should China seize all trading activity with US due to these issues?

Your leader extended a red carpet welcome to Donald Trump in 2017 to soothe tensions between the two countries. This is called "diplomacy."

Does your opinion make any difference?

Pakistan has no option but to continue to exercise diplomacy vis-a-vis US. Or you wish to see Pakistan and US have a showdown. :rolleyes:
 
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You need to stop your trolling or I will report you. Do not test my patience.

State-to-state relations tend to be too complex for a lone individual like you or me to handwave just like that.

China has earned the distinction of being the largest trading partner of the US in recent years; in-spite of tensions with US in South China Sea and deployment of THAAD system in South Korea. Should China seize all trading activity with US due to these issues?

Your leader extended a red carpet welcome to Donald Trump in 2017 to soothe tensions between the two countries. This is called "diplomacy."

Does your opinion make any difference?

Pakistan has no option but to continue to exercise diplomacy vis-a-vis US. Or you wish to see Pakistan and US have a showdown. :rolleyes:
Trolling? You are a well known boot licker of US. Arent you denying? I am helping Pakistan doing a good deed by exposing a traitor like you who loves US more than Pakistan but flying a Pakistan flag. Even your own Pakistanis forumers hates you. Advocate working with US Satan who drone strike ordinary Pakistan at homeland at random more or less speaks of you.
 
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@LeGenD

Some Pakistanis will claim Americans are the best partner Pakistanis has worked with and is still essential to work with. Losing some sovereignty to exchange for American goodies is worth it.

Pakistan has essentially handed over their sovereignty to China vis-a-vis CPEC. So what are you complaining about?
 
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Trolling? You are a well known boot licker of US. Arent you denying? I am helping Pakistan doing a good deed by exposing a traitor like you who loves US more than Pakistan but flying a Pakistan flag. Even your own Pakistanis forumers hates you. Advocate working with US Satan who drone strike ordinary Pakistan at homeland at random more or less speaks of you.
Just because I have a high opinion of American accomplishments in various fields, doesn't imply that I am its bootlicker. Many in Pakistan have a high opinion of American accomplishments in various fields, I am not alone in this.

Secondly, in what sense I am a traitor? Are you in your senses or drunk?

Pakistani establishment
is [guilty] of not resisting American drone strikes in Pakistan, and they are mostly directed towards terrorists and/or non-state actors anyways (some of the worst sum on Earth have been dispatched to hell in these strikes). When US bombarded Afghanistan, hundreds of terrorists sought refuge in Pakistan and settled in various regions with support of local facilitators (i.e. Ummah syndrome). Pakistan security forces commenced a crackdown on these aliens and handed over many to the US over the course of years. Those who were really good at evading Pakistani security forces, were taken care of with drone strikes whenever possible.

And I have pointed out to you before that many Pakistani are OK with these drone strikes because they are largely directed towards terrorists and/or perceived to be occurring with tacit approval of Pakistani authorities. Why are you singling me out in this matter?

Whomsoever hates me at personal capacity in this community, is either too egotistical or detached from realities that I have highlighted, and I showed him the mirror.

Once again, stop with your nonsense or face the music.

Pakistan has essentially handed over their sovereignty to China vis-a-vis CPEC. So what are you complaining about?
This guy has issues, I tell you.

He seeks [validation] of his completely unhealthy Anti-American mentality from fellow members, particularly Pakistani members here, and thinks that he has god-given right to declare those Pakistani traitors who are rather moderate in their views about global matters. Truly sickening.

I ordered a consignment of laptops from a Chinese business entity via Alibaba and paid for its shipment in advance; this entity conned me and I suffered a loss. I learned a valuable lesson from this incident and never ordered anything via Alibaba again.

My experience with Amazon is absolutely positive on the other hand.

Now, based on my personal experience, should I paint entire China as a country of fraudsters? Every country has its share of pluses and minuses. I believe that there are some very decent Chinese out there whom I would get along with very well, should we ever interact.

I do not harbor intense hatred for any society. Islam did not spread across the world with this kind of mindset. Holy Prophet (PBUH) set a benchmark of tolerance for the entire world with his teachings and practices.

But a non-believer will not get it anyways.
 
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dont worry after Afrin everybody will see what will happen in Manbij

TURKS no fear
 
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American is paper tiger.

Just because I have a high opinion of American accomplishments in various fields, doesn't imply that I am its bootlicker. Many in Pakistan have a high opinion of American accomplishments in various fields, I am not alone in this.

Secondly, in what sense I am a traitor? Are you in your senses or drunk?

Pakistani establishment
is [guilty] of not resisting American drone strikes in Pakistan, and they are mostly directed towards terrorists and/or non-state actors anyways (some of the worst sum on Earth have been dispatched to hell in these strikes). When US bombarded Afghanistan, hundreds of terrorists sought refuge in Pakistan and settled in various regions with support of local facilitators (i.e. Ummah syndrome). Pakistan security forces commenced a crackdown on these aliens and handed over many to the US over the course of years. Those who were really good at evading Pakistani security forces, were taken care of with drone strikes whenever possible.

And I have pointed out to you before that many Pakistani are OK with these drone strikes because they are largely directed towards terrorists and/or perceived to be occurring with tacit approval of Pakistani authorities. Why are you singling me out in this matter?

Whomsoever hates me at personal capacity in this community, is either too egotistical or detached from realities that I have highlighted, and I showed him the mirror.

Once again, stop with your nonsense or face the music.


This guy has issues, I tell you.

He seeks [validation] of his completely unhealthy Anti-American mentality from fellow members, particularly Pakistani members here, and thinks that he has god-given right to declare those Pakistani traitors who are rather moderate in their views about global matters. Truly sickening.

I ordered a consignment of laptops from a Chinese business entity via Alibaba and paid for its shipment in advance; this entity conned me and I suffered a loss. I learned a valuable lesson from this incident and never ordered anything via Alibaba again.

My experience with Amazon is absolutely positive on the other hand.

Now, based on my personal experience, should I paint entire China as a country of fraudsters? Every country has its share of pluses and minuses. I believe that there are some very decent Chinese out there whom I would get along with very well, should we ever interact.

I do not harbor intense hatred for any society. Islam did not spread across the world with this kind of mindset. Holy Prophet (PBUH) set a benchmark of tolerance for the entire world with his teachings and practices.

But a non-believer will not get it anyways.
You can call alibaba after service, here is the number 0086-4008001688

Trolling? You are a well known boot licker of US. Arent you denying? I am helping Pakistan doing a good deed by exposing a traitor like you who loves US more than Pakistan but flying a Pakistan flag. Even your own Pakistanis forumers hates you. Advocate working with US Satan who drone strike ordinary Pakistan at homeland at random more or less speaks of you.
easy. No one can bypass USA in this world, even China and Russia.

@Beast you don't understand Pakistan and Pakistanis. Do you know how close the relationship was between USA and Pakistan? How deep the influence USA ever had on Pakistan politics and Army/Air Force and their personels ?
When PAF provided F16 at 1980s, it's like now Alien give you a intact UFO to fly with. You know how it feels?
 
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You can call alibaba after service, here is the number 0086-4008001688
Thank you for sharing, my friend.

This happened years ago, and I have moved on. Shit happens.

I assure no ill feelings towards any entity in China.
 
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Gen. Paul Funk, elaborated. “You hit us, we will respond aggressively. We will defend ourselves.”

Good luck USA, you need to bring 50 million US soldiers ready to die to beat the Turks.

And this ypg rat says:

“What’s strange to me is that Turkey, as a member of NATO, is making this war against us under the name of jihad, but we are only democrats,” Mr. Derwish said. “In our society, women are free, we have equality and democracy. And they want to destroy us.”

First he says Turkey is doing a "Jihad", then says they are "democrats"... Then goes on to say women are FREE and they have democracy.

What a butt licker, first bad mouthing Turkey then trying to portray themselves as FREE and Democratic.

I hope we take this guy out first.
 
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Thank you for sharing, my friend.

This happened years ago, and I have moved on. Shit happens.

I assure no ill feelings towards any entity in China.
If there is someone cheating on Alibaba, then Alibaba is held accountable. We shall not tolerate these fraudulent act. As to Beast, he doesn't realize how complex this world is. We shall never impose our will on others.
 
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The kurds are like Afghans, trash willing to corrupt the region to save themselves

Its important they are hammered
 
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If there is someone cheating on Alibaba, then Alibaba is held accountable. We shall not tolerate these fraudulent act. As to Beast, he doesn't realize how complex this world is. We shall never impose our will on others.
I really appreciate your goodwill, my friend.

I believe that Beast is a reasonable guy [outside the realm of internet] but he needs to refresh his thinking. Internet brings people together from across the world, to share their views. Tolerance is the key.

If I have hurt anybody with my point-of-view, my sincere apologies.
 
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