Old grenades creating problems for Indian Army

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Old grenades are proving to be a problem area for the Indian Army, the officer responsible for maintaining quality assurance admitted Thursday.
“They (the grenades) are very old. They are of vintage quality and we are looking into it,” Lt. Gen. J.S. Dhillon, who heads the Directorate General of Quality Assurance (DGQA), told reporters here.

There have been reports of late that 30 percent of the grenades used in counter-insurgency operations fail to explode. Others take up to four seconds to explode — 1.5 seconds longer than those used by militants.

The defence ministry has sought an immediate report on this.

“The grenades are very old. The detonators’ shelf life is over, creating the problem we have in hand,” another senior Indian Army official told IANS, requesting anonymity.

The DGQA, in association with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), has finalised the design for a new grenade to resolve the problem.

“The new design by DRDO is already in place and hopefully it will soon be operational,” Dhillon added.



Old grenades creating problems for Indian Army IDRW.ORG

 

[Spring Onion]

Give them bombs to throw.

The grenades are not creating problems but their itching for using more lethal weapons are creating problems

 

[DaRk WaVe]

hmmm well they need to look into this, every now & then there are reports about Duds, They must start using WW II grenades like this one, They can explode

any ways here is another one..

1 in 3 hand grenades is a dud: Defence survey
AGPUR: Imagine a scenario in which an Indian soldier's life and the life of his mates depends on a grenade — may be the last one with the jawan
— to stop an advancing enemy. He takes the pin out and lobs it. But, instead of hearing an explosion, the jawans are met with a hail of bullets.

Unthinkable? Think again. A recent official survey of weaponry being used by soldiers guarding our borders reveals that about 30% of hand grenades used by jawans don't explode — which means an alarming one in three is a dud. The survey, carried out by weapons experts from the Army and defence organisations, is based on interviews with jawans posted in border areas.

Sources with access to the survey report did not share the exact figures and causes of failure citing secrecy involved with defence projects, but preliminary investigations have shown that it's not unusual for detonators used in the grenades to surpass their shelf life by the time they reach the hands of a soldier in a conflict zone.

It's the detonator that separately triggers the blast in the grenade. The grenade, a crucial weapon in a soldier's armoury, is often used as the last resort to thwart the enemy in close quarter battle. Grenades supplied to the Army are made by ordnance factories under Indian State Ordnance Factory Board.

"Soldiers said the grenades often go blind — meaning they don't explode in purely technical terms — putting them in a precarious situation," said a source. Defence experts and ex-servicemen say this is an old problem that has never been properly addressed.

Col (retd) RSN Singh of 'India Defence Review' says the figure of 30% duds is stupefying. Singh, who retired from the Infantry six months ago, says, ‘‘A soldier normally carries four grenades in a counter-insurgency operation. Even a single dud can prove disastrous as it would leave the soldier vulnerable. Such duds can shake a soldier’s confidence.’’

Defence expert Col (retd) U S Rathore says India still uses World War-II vintage hand grenades. He says there are chances that the detonators are susceptible to chemical degradation and adds that terrorists have far superior Belgian grenades that explode in 2.5 seconds compared to the four seconds it takes for the Indian grenades.

India may have made an indigenous nuclear submarine. But it appears its defence establishment is yet to make a fail-proof grenade. Incidentally, a grenade can be propelled through rifles or an under-barrel grenade launcher (UBGL). But the Insas rifles used by the army don’t have launchers for grenades; soldiers have to carry the old 7.62mm rifles for that.
1 in 3 hand grenades is a dud: Defence survey - India - NEWS - The Times of India

 

[ISRO2]

Give them bombs to throw.

The grenades are not creating problems but their itching for using more lethal weapons are creating problems

Hehe mam. i like your comment hehe. Good sence of humour.

 

[ISRO2]

hmmm well they need to look into this, every now & then there are reports about Duds, They must start using WW II grenades like this one can explode

any ways here is another one..

1 in 3 hand grenades is a dud: Defence survey
AGPUR: Imagine a scenario in which an Indian soldier's life and the life of his mates depends on a grenade — may be the last one with the jawan
— to stop an advancing enemy. He takes the pin out and lobs it. But, instead of hearing an explosion, the jawans are met with a hail of bullets.

Unthinkable? Think again. A recent official survey of weaponry being used by soldiers guarding our borders reveals that about 30% of hand grenades used by jawans don't explode — which means an alarming one in three is a dud. The survey, carried out by weapons experts from the Army and defence organisations, is based on interviews with jawans posted in border areas.

Sources with access to the survey report did not share the exact figures and causes of failure citing secrecy involved with defence projects, but preliminary investigations have shown that it's not unusual for detonators used in the grenades to surpass their shelf life by the time they reach the hands of a soldier in a conflict zone.

It's the detonator that separately triggers the blast in the grenade. The grenade, a crucial weapon in a soldier's armoury, is often used as the last resort to thwart the enemy in close quarter battle. Grenades supplied to the Army are made by ordnance factories under Indian State Ordnance Factory Board.

"Soldiers said the grenades often go blind — meaning they don't explode in purely technical terms — putting them in a precarious situation," said a source. Defence experts and ex-servicemen say this is an old problem that has never been properly addressed.

Col (retd) RSN Singh of 'India Defence Review' says the figure of 30% duds is stupefying. Singh, who retired from the Infantry six months ago, says, ‘‘A soldier normally carries four grenades in a counter-insurgency operation. Even a single dud can prove disastrous as it would leave the soldier vulnerable. Such duds can shake a soldier’s confidence.’’

Defence expert Col (retd) U S Rathore says India still uses World War-II vintage hand grenades. He says there are chances that the detonators are susceptible to chemical degradation and adds that terrorists have far superior Belgian grenades that explode in 2.5 seconds compared to the four seconds it takes for the Indian grenades.

India may have made an indigenous nuclear submarine. But it appears its defence establishment is yet to make a fail-proof grenade. Incidentally, a grenade can be propelled through rifles or an under-barrel grenade launcher (UBGL). But the Insas rifles used by the army don’t have launchers for grenades; soldiers have to carry the old 7.62mm rifles for that.
1 in 3 hand grenades is a dud: Defence survey - India - NEWS - The Times of India

Mam indian army is weakness of india. Am sure if searched then u will find million things in indian army to joke about. To be honest i love my india but am not fan of india army. Am into IAF and NAVY. indian army powerful but alot slow. While IAF and Navy way too fast and deadly. Old time war was faught by land army but this is new generation. Army looks good in defending and airforce and navy look good in offensive.

 

[grey boy 2]

Hehe mam. i like your comment hehe. Good sence of humour.

Hehe SIR; I don't like your comment Hehe SIR;

No sence of humor SIR.

SIR; Its it true India army still using world war1 grenades ? SIR.

Regard SIR.

 

[ISRO2]

Hehe SIR; I don't like your comment Hehe SIR;

No sence of humor SIR.

SIR; Its it true India army still using world war1 grenades ? SIR.

Regard SIR.

Go to school on time boy. Avoid discussing in adult forum. Kids section next door. Thank you.

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

grenades are thrown on terrorist....while they are running back to their motherland.

indians are good hearted so they keep these types of grenades.....towards humanity....no killing....if exploded those terrorist wont die.....but will only loose hands and legs..........i think this is a good strategy...in a way loosing old inventory and making loose terrorist their hands and legs.....but no kill..

 

[R.A.W.]

Indian bombs are dud

then why do they explode when Indian army fires them.... I heard people die because of them. Never heard of bombs not exploding at all.....

May be we came up with something from DRDO about "how to explode dud bombs"