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The Ghuzz or Turkmens also known as Oguzes (a linguistic term designating the Western Turkic or Oghuz languages from the Oghur sub-division of Turkic language family) were a historical Turkic tribal confederation conventionally named the Oghuz Yabgu State in Central Asia during the early medieval period. The name Oguz is a Common Turkic word for "tribe". The Oguz confederation migrated westward from the Jeti-su area after a conflict with the Karluk branch of Uigurs. The founders of the Ottoman Empire were descendants of the Oguz Yabgu State. Today the residents of Turkey, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Khorezm, Turkmens of Afghanistan, Gagauzia are descendants of Oghuz Turks and their language belongs to the Oghuz (a.k.a. southwestern Turkic) group of the Turkic languagesfamily. According to Khazar sources,

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In the 9th century, the Oguzes from the Aral steppes drove Bechens from the Emba and Ural River region toward the west. In the 10th century, they inhabited the steppe of the rivers Sari-su, Turgai, and Emba to the north of Lake Balkhash of modern-day Kazakhstan.[4]A clan of this nation, the Seljuks, embraced Islam and in the 11th century entered Persia, where they founded the Great Seljuk Empire. Similarly in the 11th century, a Tengriist Oghuz clan—referred to as Uzes or Torks in the Russian chronicles—overthrew Pecheneg supremacy in the Russian steppe. Harried by another Turkic horde, the Kipchaks, these Oghuz penetrated as far as the lower Danube, crossed it and invaded the Balkans, where they were either crushed[5] or struck down by an outbreak of plague, causing the survivors either to flee or to join the Byzantine imperial forces as mercenaries (1065)

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The Oghuz seem to have been related to the Pechenegs, some of whom were clean-shaven and others of whom had small 'goatee' beards. According to the book Attila and the Nomad Hordes, "Like the Kimaks they set up many carved wooden funerary statues surrounded by simple stone balbal monoliths."[7] The authors of the book go on to note that "Those Uzes or Torks who settled along the Russian frontier were gradually Slavicized, though they also played a leading role as cavalry in 1100- and early 1200-era Russian armies, where they were known as Black Hats.... Oghuz warriors served in almost all Islamic armies of the Middle East from the 1000s onwards, in Byzantium from the 800's, and even in Spain and Morocco."[7] In later centuries, they adapted and applied their own traditions and institutions to the ends of the Islamic world and emerged as empire-builders with a constructive sense of statecraft.

Linguistically, the Oghuz are listed together with the old Kimaks of the middle Yenisei of the Ob, the old Kipchaks who later emigrated to southern Russia, and the modern Kirghiz in one particular Turkic group, distinguished from the rest by the mutation of the initial ysound to j (dj).

"The term 'Oghuz' was gradually supplanted among the Turks themselves by Türkmen, 'Turcoman', from the mid 900's on, a process which was completed by the beginning of the 1200s."[8]

"The Ottoman dynasty, who gradually took over Anatolia after the fall of the Seljuks, toward the end of the 13th century, led an army that was also predominantly Oghuz

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So, yeah. Those dances don't look Turkic to me. hard to explain. I thought maybe Eastern Asian, but, i guess no??

but those dances dont look Eastern asian to me too- even the musical instruments sued to play the music doesnt sound east asian. the moves dont look east asian too.
 
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So they are neither east Asian nor Turkic, they are just a Chinese minority group.
 
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So they are neither east Asian nor Turkic, they are just a Chinese minority group.
I am just saying, they're a little bit culturally similar to eastern Asians(not claiming this as a fact, just my personal opinion, it's a given due their location, this is bound to happen).
Of course, they're still Turkic to me.

but those dances dont look Eastern asian to me too- even the musical instruments sued to play the music doesnt sound east asian. the moves dont look east asian too.
I always assumed this. lol
 
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I am just saying, they're a little bit culturally similar to eastern Asians(not claiming this as a fact, just my personal opinion, it's a given due their location, this is bound to happen).
Of course, they're still Turkic to me.

Ugyhurs and other turkic people have had close contact with East asians though(via the silk road and various ruling dynasties). They are called 突厥人( tu - jue - ren)

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The Urheimat of the proto-turkic people is in the Altaic mountains in today's Xinjiang province of China, Russia, eastern parts of Kazahstan and the western tip of Mongolia. From here, various Turkic tribes move out in a mostly East-West axis
 
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Ugyhurs and other turkic people have had close contact with East asians though(via the silk road and various ruling dynasties). They are called 突厥人( tu - jue - ren)
Interesting. I have to learn more about them.!
 
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Uyghurs and East Asians are worlds apart, Kazakh Chinese are more close to East Asians in both culture and looks.
 
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OGHUZ TURKS

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The Oghuz Turks, or Oguz Turks (Okuz, Oufoi, Guozz, Ghuzz) are regarded as one of the major branches of the Turks in history.

The Oguz Turks are the ancestors of today's western Turks whose numbers are more than 100 millions and inhabit areas in western Asia and eastern Europe: Azerbaijanis of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the South Azerbaijan region of Iran, Turks of Turkey and Cyprus, Turkmens of Turkmenistan and northeastern Iran, Qashqay and Khurasani Turks of Iran, Balkan Turks of Greece, Bulgaria and the former Yugoslavia as well as Gauguz (Gokoguz) Turks of Moldova.

During Turkic mass-migrations in the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th centuries, the Oguz were among the indigenous Turks of Central Asia who migrated towards western Asia and eastern Europe via Transoxiana. From the 5th century onwards, the Oguz were the founders and rulers of several important Turkic kingdoms and empires, the most notable of them being the Gokturks, Seljuks, Safavids and Ottomans.

Although also settled and urbanized, the nomadic way of life bred in them a combative spirit, sense in leadership, the habit of mobility, elegant equestrian skill, and an unusual dexterity as archers on horseback. Since early times in their history, they were noted for such moral virtues as endurance, loyalty, self-discipline and foresight.

In the later centuries, they adapted and implied their own Turkic traditions and institutions to the ends of the Islamic world and emerged as empire-builders with a constructive sense of statecraft, making a positive contribution to history as the vastful regions in which they ruled evolved into new phases of social, economic, religious and intellectual advancement.

Throughout history, the Oguz Turks have founded different nations that have developed political and geographical identities of their own, yet share Oguz ancestry, culture, history, language and literature. The modern Turkic nations of Azerbaijanis, Turks of Turkey and Turkmens are the three most historical of Oguz Turk peoples.

NAME

The name Oguz (also pronounced Okuz) is derived from "arrow" and "tribes." The depiction of an archman shooting an arrow was the flag of the Seljuk empire, which was founded by the Oguz Turks in the 10th century.

The designation of "Oguz" was given to a series of Turkic tribes in Central Asia who had united into a new confederation. This socio-political union lead to the emergence of a new larger Turkic tribe and community, known as the Oguz. The Oguz community gradually grew larger as various other Turkic tribes united during the Gokturk empire (6th, 7th century.)

Oguz is not an ethnic name, and it can be simply translated into "Turkic tribes". The "Oguz Turk branch" or "western Turk branch" is one of the traditional six branches of the modern Turkic peoples. The "Oguz branch" is a geographical and historical designation, yet not a separate ethnic term since the Turkic peoples of the world share the same ethnic roots.

They are referred to as "western Turks" because they moved west from other Turkic peoples after the Gokturk empire collapsed, and because the majority of the areas in which they inhabit today (except Turkmenistan and the Turkmen Sahra) are west of the Caspian Sea, while those reffered to as "eastern Turks" live east of the Caspian Sea.

ORIGINS

The Oguz Turks have perhaps been the most famous, important, dominating, fruitful and successful branch of Turkic peoples and families.

Their history as kings, statesmen, warriors, as well as an enormous tribal union and large communal branch begins in the pre-Islamic period, yet their achievements and progression in the centuries after Islam has left its mark on history and civilization.

The original homeland of the Oguz, like other Turks, was the general Ural-Altay region of Central Asia known as Turkistan or Turan, which has been the domain of Turkic peoples since antiquity. Although their mass-migrations from Central Asia occurred from the 9th century onwards, they were present in areas west of the Caspian Sea centuries prior, although smaller in numbers and perhaps living with other Turks. For example, the Book of Dede Korkut which is the historic epic of the Oguz Turks was written in Azerbaijan in the 6th and 7th century.

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According to many historians, the usage of the word "Oguz" is dated back to the advent of the Huns (220 BC). The title of "Oguz" (Oguz Khan) was given to Mete, the founder of the Hun empire, which is often considered the first Turkic political entity in Central Asia.

Also in the 2nd century BC, a Turkic tribe called "O-kut" who were described as Huns (referred to as Hsiung-Nu or "colored-eyed people" in Chinese sources) were mentioned in the area of Tarbogatain, in present-day southern Kazakstan. It must be noted that the Greek sources used the name Oufi (or Ouvvi) to describe the Oguz Turks, a name they had also used to describe the Huns centuries earlier.


A number of tribal groupings bearing the name Oguz, often with a numeral representing the number of united tribes in the union are noted.

The mention of the "six Oguz tribal union" in the Turkic Orhun inscriptions (6th century) pertains to the unification of the six Turkic tribes which became known as the Oguz. This was the first written reference to Oguz, and was dated to the period of the Gokturk empire. The Oguz community gradually grew larger, uniting more Turkic tribes prior and during the Gokturk establishment.

Prior to the Gokturk state, there are references to the "Sekiz-Oguz" ("eight-Oguz") and the "Dokuz-Oguz" ("nine-Oguz") union. The Oguz Turks under Sekiz-Oguz and the Dokuz-Oguz state formations ruled different areas in the vicinity of the Altay mountains. During the establishment of the Gokturk state, Oguz tribes inhabited the Altay mountain region and also lived in northeastern areas of the Altay mountains along the Tula River. They were also present as a community near the Barlik river in present-day northern Mongolia.

Their main homeland and domain in the ensuing centuries was the area of Transoxiana, in western Turkistan.

This land became known as the "Oguz steppe" which is an area between the Caspian and Aral Seas. Ibnul Asir, an Arab historian, declared that the Oguz Turks had come to Transoxiana in the period of the caliph Al-Mehdi in the years between 775 and 785. In the period of the Abasid caliph al-Mamum (813 - 833), the name Oguz starts to appear in the works of Islamic writers. By 780, the eastern parts of the Syr Darya were ruled by the Karluk Turks and the western region (Oguz steppe) was ruled by the Oguz Turks.


ANTHROPOLOGY

The Oguz Turks are labeled by some historians as "the purest of Turks" in terms of race, language and culture. According to Lev Gumilev in his accredited work entitled 1,000 years around the Caspian, the Oguz in the anthropological (racial) category were Caucasoid (Europoid).

The majority of today's Oguz Turks have light to dark skin tones and dark hair and eye colors, while lighter Europoid features including very light skin tones, blondish/brownish/reddish hair colors and light eye colors are evident in Azerbaijanis from the Republic of Azerbaijan and the northwestern region of Iran known as South Azerbaijan as well as the Turks of Turkey, Turkmens and other Oguz Turks. Elements of both Caucasoid and Mongoloid strains are evident in some.

Like most of the other Turkic peoples, the Oguz have a round skull formation, high cheek bones and straight hair.

SOCIAL UNIT

The militarism that their empires were very well known for was rooted in their centuries-long nomadic lifestyle. In general they were a herding society with its military advantages that other societies did not have, which was mobility. Their social organization had a family-like structure which included statuses and roles. Alliances by marriage and kinship, and their systems of "social distance" based on family relationships were the connective tissues of their society.

In Oguz traditions, society was simply the result of the growth of individual families. But such a society also grew by alliances and the expansion of different groups normally through marriages. The shelter of the Oguz tribes was a tent-like dwelling, erected on wooden poles and covered with skin, felt, or hand-woven textiles, which is called a yurt.

Their cuisine included yahni (stew), kebabs, togya corbasi (a soup made from wheat flour and yogurt), kimis (traditional drink of the Turks), pekmez (a syrup made of boiled of grape juice and helva made with cornflour), tutmac (noodle soup), yufka (flattened bread), katmer (layered pastry), chorek (ring-shaped bun), bread, clotted cream, cheese, milk and ayran, as well as wine.

Social order was maintained by emphasizing correctness in conduct as well as ritual and ceremony. Ceremonies brought together the scattered members of the society to celebrate birth, puberty, marriage, and death. Such ceremonies had the effect of minimizing social dangers and also of adjusting persons to each other under controlled emotional conditions.

Patrilineally related men and their families were regarded as a group with rights over a particular territory and were distinguished from neighbors on a territorial basis. Marriages were often arranged among territorial groups so that neighboring groups could become related. But this was the only organizing principle that extended territorial unity. Each community of the Oguz Turks was thought of as part of a larger society composed of distant as well as close relatives. This signified tribal allegiance. Wealth and materialistic objects were not commonly emphasized in Oguz society, and most remained herders and when settled, they would be active in agriculture.

Status within the family was based on age, gender, relationships by blood, or marriageability. Males as well as females were active in society, yet men were the backbones of leadership and organization. According to the Book of Dede Korkut which demonstrates the culture of the Oguz Turks, women were expert horse riders, archers, and athletes. The elders were respected as repositories of both secular and spiritual wisdom.

HOMELAND IN TRANSOXIANA

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In the 8th century, the Oguz Turks made a new home and domain for themselves in the area between the Caspian and Aral seas, a region that is often referred to as Transoxiana, the western portion of Turkistan. They had moved westward from the Altay mountains through the Siberian steppes and settled in this region, and also penetrated into southern Russia and the Volga.


In his accredited work titled Divani Lugati't-Turk, Mahmud of Kashgar, a Turkic scholar of the 11. century, described the "Karachuk Mountains" which are located just east of the Aral Sea as the original homeland of the Oguz Turks. The Karachuk mountains are now known as the Black Mountains, and they are adjacent to Syr Darya.

The extension from the Karacuk Mountains towards the Caspian Sea (Transoxiana) was called "Oguz Steppe Lands" from where the Oguz Turks established trading, religious and cultural contacts with the Abbasid Arab caliphate which was ruling lands to the south. This is around the same time that they first converted to Islam and renounced their Shamanist belief system. The Arab historians mentioned that the Oguz Turks in their domain in Transoxiana were ruled by a number of kings and chieftains.

It was in this area that they later founded the Seljuk empire, and it was from this area that they spread west into western Asia and eastern Europe during Turkic migrations from the 9th until the 12th century.

DYNASTIES

Oguz Turk dynasties include: Seljuks, Atabeks, Akkoyunlu, Karakoyunlu, Safavis, Afshars and Qajars (Gajars) and in Anatolia (Turkey) the Oguz Turks founded the Ottoman empire.

TURCOMAN AND TURKMEN

The terms "Turkmen" and "Turcoman" were often used as a designation for the Muslim-Oghuz Turks (Azerbaijanis, Turks of Turkey, central Asian Turks) in periods of history, and the ethnic name that the modern Turkmens of central Asia use to designate their nationality was formed later.

Although a term most commonly used for the Oghuz of central Asia, the name "Turkmen" or "Turcoman" once applied to Azerbaijanis and the Turks of Turkey as well, distinguishing between other Turks and non-Muslim Turks. Some western books which were written prior to the modern age use the terms "Turcoman" for the descendants of the Oghuz Turks who were not from the Turkmen nationality of central Asia which is one of the branches of the Oguz.

For example, it is written in many sources prior to the modern age that the largest component of the population of Azerbaijan is composed of "Turcoman tribes." The "Turkmen" reference in history books which is often used for Azerbaijanis and Turks of Turkey simply means "Muslim Turk" or "Muslim western Turk" which means Oguz Turk.

In Turkey the word Turkmen refers to nomadic Turkish tribes (all muslims) some of whom still continue this lifestyle.

According to the Encyclopedia Britannica the name Turkmen is a synonym of Oguz which includes all the Turkish (Turkic) population who live to the southwest of Central Asia:

1. Turkey 2. Azerbaijan Republic 3. Azerbaijan of Iran 4. Turkmenistan 5. in other countries: a. Afghanistan b. Iraq, Syria and other Arab countries c. Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Gagavuz , Germany , Britan and many other European nations.

The Turkish historian Y. Oztuna presents almost the same definition to the name Turkmen. He calls Turkmen Oghuz or western Turkish populations:

1. Ottomans 2. Azerbaijan 3. Turkmen (Turkmenistan)

LITERATURE

Oguz Turkish literature includes the famous Book of Dede Korkut which was UNESCO's 2000 literacy work of the year, as well as the Oguznama and "Koroglu" epics which are part of the literacy history of Azerbaijanis, Turks of Turkey and Turkmens. The modern and classical literature of Azerbaijan, Turkey and central Asia are also considered the Oghuz literature, since it has been produced by their descendants.

The Book of Dede Korkut is an invaluable collection of epics and stories, bearing witness to the language, the way of life, religions, traditions and social norms of the Oguz Turks in Azerbaijan, Turkey and central Asia.
 

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Can you understand their language though? Even just a bit??

I can only understand what the teacher is saying(because she is using Mandarin Chinese)- but the song sung by the students themself is totally unintelligible to me.

Yet as we can see in the video, most of them have this 'east asian' look
 
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