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China’s counterterrorism law an internal matter: FM

By Catherine Wong Tsoi-lai Published: 2015-3-4 0:13:01

Obama remarks reflect ‘US double standard in Internet surveillance’

China on Tuesday urged the US to stop interfering in the country's counterterrorism law following US President Barack Obama's recent criticism of China's plan to establish new cyber security rules.

"The formulation of the counterterrorism law is China's internal matter. We hope the US can calmly and objectively handle it," China's foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying responded Tuesday.

Hua said China has always opposed Internet surveillance and supports the setting up of rules over the use of cyber space within the United Nations network.

In an interview with Reuters on Monday, Obama said he was concerned that China's first anti-terrorism law would affect foreign technology firms, including those from the US, and their clients' privacy.

Obama said he has raised the issue directly with Chinese President Xi Jinping. He speculated that China is creating the law to "snoop and keep track of all the users of those [technological] services," and said China "has to change if they expect to do business with the US."

China's parliamentary body has in the past week studied a second draft of the country's first anti-terrorism law and is expected to pass it in the coming weeks or months.

The new law requires companies to keep servers and user data within China, and to provide authorities with encryption keys, the passcodes that protect data.

Wang Guoxiang, an anti-terrorism expert at the Beijing Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times that such legislation is necessary as Internet data collected through social media platforms are crucial State resources in the country's anti-terrorism research and counter measures.

Compared to the US, China lacks such laws and measures against cyber terrorism and creating them is progressing slowly, Wang said.

Wu Xinbo, director of the Center for American Studies at Fudan University, told the Global Times that Obama's remarks reflect US double standards in Internet surveillance.

"The US government's anti-terrorism measures and laws after the 9/11 attacks have drawn much controversy and criticism within the country," said Wu.

In his interview, Obama also said US tech companies will not be willing to follow the law, adding that the legislation could hurt the Chinese economy in the long run.

"The US government wants to influence the Chinese authorities to adjust their policy. But [Obama's strong-worded remarks] only presented the US government's stance on the issue, after coming under pressure from businessmen," Wu noted.

Business lobby groups have asked the Obama administration and the European Commission to raise the issue in bilateral trade talks with China, the Financial Times reported.

Wu, however, does not believe Sino-US relations will be affected, and said that the new rule would have no impact on foreign companies' interests.

"These companies have nothing to worry about as long as they abide by the law in China," said Wu.

Disagreements over cyber security have been a long-running issue and one of the major sticking points in Sino-US ties.

Western governments, including in the US and UK, have for years requested tech firms to disclose their encryption methods, with varying degrees of success.

Officials, including FBI director James Comey and National Security Agency director Michael S. Rogers, publicly warned Internet firms including Apple and Google late last year against using encryption that law enforcement cannot break.

Demands for a specific counterterrorism law have been raised in wake of increasing terror attacks in Northwest China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in recent years.
 
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US eavesdropping renders world insecure - Global Times
By Zhong Sili 2015-3-4 0:23:01


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In the name of national security, many foul deeds could be tolerated and carried out covertly. But once they are exposed, scandals happen. Although this might be the case for many countries, the US seems to encounter such awkwardness more frequently than others.

After series of revelations, the former NSA contractor Edward Snowden has recently revealed another piece of sensational information that US and British intelligence agencies hacked into the world's largest maker of SIM cards, stealing encryption information. This gave the agencies the ability to secretly monitor a large portion of the world's cellular communications, including both voice and data. If Snowden's latest claim is true, it raises questions about the security of cellphone communications around the world.

This is another typical example of US double standards. The US often plays the role of victim, proclaiming it faces grave threats, and suffers from various cyber attacks. It turns out that the one who accuses others of spying is actually the most powerful spy in the world.

There are several facts we should put in mind. First, the US possesses superiority over other countries in the field of information technology, it ushered in the IT wave, and still stands on top of it. Second, the US has laid out systematic cyberspace and intelligence strategies and implementation plans from the national level to the tactical level, and is trying to establish code of conduct in cyberspace that serves US interest. Third, with large intelligence organizations acting as its backbone, such as NSA acting as its cyber operation commanding center, and with big pools of brilliant talents, the US is better positioned to get any information it wants. Fourth, the US intelligence budget is higher than most countries' total national defense budgets. If its power is used for ill purposes, it is a rogue elephant that no one else is able to stop.

Among those exposed cases, there are old ones such as ECHELON, a signal intelligence collection system that consolidated US and its allies' collection capabilities, and new ones revealed by Snowden, known as PRISM, XKeyscore, MUSCULAR, and LOVEINT and so on, and they do not limit data collection to national security issues. Even if it doesn't have anything to do with national security, they'll take that information, sometimes from the US' own allies, such as German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Through these leaks, we can take a glimpse of the comprehensive US intelligence collection operations. Without these revelations, most of the people may never know so many covert intelligence operations have been carried out in such a systematic and massive scale, nor aware of that they are so close to every one of us.

Through its eavesdropping operations, the US has once again proved that US national security is for the US only. For the rest of the world, it becomes a potential threat, causing doubts, questions, countermeasures, and cut-throat competition, which may lead to misfires and conflicts, and eventually make the world feel less secure about the US. Maybe it's time for it to reflect on what has been done and really do something based on the principle of shared security to avoid the aforementioned dilemma.
 
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The only different is I can start a business in the US and say SCREW you to the US government, as long as I did not do anything illegal.

I think many Chinese is misinformed about US anti terror law, the government can only request information on private company when they have a warrant or a warrant is being processed to an individual, at that point, US can demand private information being handed out by google or facebook or whatever.

The fact that almost most news raise here is about google or facebook agree to work with US LEA and provided Insulated information of private customer to help the authority investigate, thats completely different

I can actively Cooperate with the US government or i can play balls with them, the choice is mine, the owner of a company. But the same cannot be said in China.

Thats the main different between 2 law
 
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The only different is I can start a business in the US and say SCREW you to the US government, as long as I did not do anything illegal.

I think many Chinese is misinformed about US anti terror law, the government can only request information on private company when they have a warrant or a warrant is being processed to an individual, at that point, US can demand private information being handed out by google or facebook or whatever.

The fact that almost most news raise here is about google or facebook agree to work with US LEA and provided Insulated information of private customer to help the authority investigate, thats completely different

I can actively Cooperate with the US government or i can play balls with them, the choice is mine, the owner of a company. But the same cannot be said in China.

Thats the main different between 2 law
What a joke. What do you know about the Homeland Security Act? You think if the US demands tech firm to hang over information that they can just said no? LOLOL You want to play fair, get rid of the Homeland Security Act then.
 
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What a joke. What do you know about the Homeland Security Act? You think if the US demands tech firm to hang over information that they can just said no? LOLOL You want to play fair, get rid of the Homeland Security Act then.

dude, did you read my post?

DHS can DEMAND or Ask any company for any information. But for them to DEMAND a company to hand in private information, the DHS must have a vaild warrant from a federal judge or in the process of applying an warrant. By law they can ask you in advance but a federal warrant must be supplied within 48 hours or the court wont Care if you found plutonium in a terririst house, those evidence would have been tainted if no warrant can be produced within 48 hours of the demand.

They can simply ASK you for information as well, but whether or not you complied is up to you

So yes, if the come to me with a federal warrant and say I need to give them anything then yes, you must compile, othereise you can ask them take a hike. Google choose to hand over the information willingly does not mean the law had force them to do it, not require to.

Gosh, sometime I really wonder if you were actually living in America
 
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The only different is I can start a business in the US and say SCREW you to the US government, as long as I did not do anything illegal.

I think many Chinese is misinformed about US anti terror law, the government can only request information on private company when they have a warrant or a warrant is being processed to an individual, at that point, US can demand private information being handed out by google or facebook or whatever.

The fact that almost most news raise here is about google or facebook agree to work with US LEA and provided Insulated information of private customer to help the authority investigate, thats completely different

I can actively Cooperate with the US government or i can play balls with them, the choice is mine, the owner of a company. But the same cannot be said in China.

Thats the main different between 2 law

This is way too ignorant.

The US can spy on American companies by using any of the following tool box:
1. Illegally
a. Cyber attack and cyber spying
b. Infiltration of company
c. Illegal adjustments and accords with companies

2. Legally
a. By asking them to directly coordinate on a systemic level
b. To use weird laws to ask for content

Remember the laws themselves are so secretive.

After Snowden, it was revealed that large companies essentially built backdoors in their servers.

dude, did you read my post?

DHS can DEMAND or Ask any company for any information. But for them to DEMAND a company to hand in private information, the DHS must have a vaild warrant from a federal judge or in the process of applying an warrant. By law they can ask you in advance but a federal warrant must be supplied within 48 hours or the court wont Care if you found plutonium in a terririst house, those evidence would have been tainted if no warrant can be produced within 48 hours of the demand.

They can simply ASK you for information as well, but whether or not you complied is up to you

So yes, if the come to me with a federal warrant and say I need to give them anything then yes, you must compile, othereise you can ask them take a hike. Google choose to hand over the information willingly does not mean the law had force them to do it, not require to.

Gosh, sometime I really wonder if you were actually living in America


The warrant is electronic, given by a special court, which (I have read somewhere, trying to find link) has never refused a warrant!

Also, don't forget that they don't need to necessarily ask. A lot of things done are also done in legal grey zone, or simply illegally that is spying.
 
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dude, did you read my post?

DHS can DEMAND or Ask any company for any information. But for them to DEMAND a company to hand in private information, the DHS must have a vaild warrant from a federal judge or in the process of applying an warrant. By law they can ask you in advance but a federal warrant must be supplied within 48 hours or the court wont Care if you found plutonium in a terririst house, those evidence would have been tainted if no warrant can be produced within 48 hours of the demand.

They can simply ASK you for information as well, but whether or not you complied is up to you

So yes, if the come to me with a federal warrant and say I need to give them anything then yes, you must compile, othereise you can ask them take a hike. Google choose to hand over the information willingly does not mean the law had force them to do it, not require to.

Gosh, sometime I really wonder if you were actually living in America
Nah,As a spy country,the problem of information security is much bigger than China,everything is being spied on by US government legally or illegally no matter you like it or not.
 
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dude, did you read my post?

DHS can DEMAND or Ask any company for any information. But for them to DEMAND a company to hand in private information, the DHS must have a vaild warrant from a federal judge or in the process of applying an warrant. By law they can ask you in advance but a federal warrant must be supplied within 48 hours or the court wont Care if you found plutonium in a terririst house, those evidence would have been tainted if no warrant can be produced within 48 hours of the demand.

They can simply ASK you for information as well, but whether or not you complied is up to you

So yes, if the come to me with a federal warrant and say I need to give them anything then yes, you must compile, othereise you can ask them take a hike. Google choose to hand over the information willingly does not mean the law had force them to do it, not require to.

Gosh, sometime I really wonder if you were actually living in America
Wrong. If the FED Govt asked you to handle over information, especially if they deem that information pertaining to terrorism, then there ain't a shit a company can do about it but hang it over. It is that simple. Finding justification is just a game the US plays but the result is the same.
 
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This is way too ignorant.

The US can spy on American companies by using any of the following tool box:
1. Illegally
a. Cyber attack and cyber spying
b. Infiltration of company
c. Illegal adjustments and accords with companies

2. Legally
a. By asking them to directly coordinate on a systemic level
b. To use weird laws to ask for content

Remember the laws themselves are so secretive.

After Snowden, it was revealed that large companies essentially built backdoors in their servers.

LOL, really, LOL, I have got no word for your reply, except LOL.
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You are talking about US Spying capability. I can tell you this, having worked with the CIA and NSA agent in Afghanistan, American can spy on you, YES, YOU. About your Email, your activities and everything you do on the internet. And pretty much EVERYONE that uses the internet.

The question is Why?? For Fun??

I am not denying that US have way to spy on pretty much anything and everything that cross path with the US, but then What are you going to do after said spying??

In Afghanistan, we would launch a drone strike if the place we spy on indeed was a terrorist hotspot, but you cannot launch a drone strike, or rendition mission on American, over American soil. Regardless how many episode of 24 you saw...

So? We are not talking about NSA agent wiretapping their wife to see if they are cheating on them (That did indeed happens) but if you are going after terrorist "SUSPECT" there are a chain of mechanism one need to fulfil or that will render the whole operation null.

Unless they (DHS) can come bearing down a warrant, which is not printed by themselves and have to be issue by a judge, even a electronic warrant will do. There are no way to work if the information passed on to the DHS is obtained illegally, that would just be a waste of time, so your "Illegal Mean" to obtain Private information by LEA would be out of the question.

In order for that evidence to hold up on the court. Otherwise what and why the DHS spy on that person illegally for, if there are no chance for them to convict that person?? Again, for fun??

The warrant is electronic, given by a special court, which (I have read somewhere, trying to find link) has never refused a warrant!

Also, don't forget that they don't need to necessarily ask. A lot of things done are also done in legal grey zone, or simply illegally that is spying.

Now you may want to argue how easy a judge grant a warrant. Is that as rubber stamping as you said??

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324743704578443011661957422

Another thing is, I don't really get what's the deal with Snowden?? Why you people treat him like some kind of god or hero?? What he essentially told to the public is that NSA can, and did spy on US Company and US Citizens in the past.

So?? Everyone know that, that is not even an open secret. John Nolan even make a TV series about how US government spy on US citizens everyday a full 2 years before Snowden spill the bean in 2011 and no one in your circle actually see him as any kind of hero??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)

I demand Chinese and Indian member pay some respect to Jonathan Nolan

Nah,As a spy country,the problem of information security is much bigger than China,everything is being spied on by US government legally or illegally no matter you like it or not.

They are welcome to look at what I did, I hope they like Japanese ****.

It's a bit different than they spy on you and they censor you, I like Japanese ****, you (The Federal Government) are welcome to watch me watch Japanese ****, but I will have a problem if my government say I can't access them and make a judgement on it.

Wrong. If the FED Govt asked you to handle over information, especially if they deem that information pertaining to terrorism, then there ain't a shit a company can do about it but hang it over. It is that simple. Finding justification is just a game the US plays but the result is the same.

lol again, the same old argument eh?? When the government ask you to jump, you say how High?

But these news seems to disagree with you

Lavabit founder refused FBI order to hand over email encryption keys | US news | The Guardian

Lavabit tell FBI to take a hike

Microsoft ordered to hand over overseas email, throwing EU privacy rights in the fire | ZDNet

Microsoft said they will set fire on the EU server before handing them to US Federal Court Judge. (Well, no they didn't, but they will challenge the court decision)

Seriously, you sure you are living in the US? Cause It took me 3 second on google to find 2 news source...

One more

Apple, Microsoft, Amazon refuse to release full US diversity data

Amazon, Apple and Microsoft say screw you to the Department of Labor
 
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lol again, the same old argument eh?? When the government ask you to jump, you say how High?

But these news seems to disagree with you

Lavabit founder refused FBI order to hand over email encryption keys | US news | The Guardian

Lavabit tell FBI to take a hike

Microsoft ordered to hand over overseas email, throwing EU privacy rights in the fire | ZDNet

Microsoft said they will set fire on the EU server before handing them to US Federal Court Judge. (Well, no they didn't, but they will challenge the court decision)

Seriously, you sure you are living in the US? Cause It took me 3 second on google to find 2 news source...

One more

Apple, Microsoft, Amazon refuse to release full US diversity data

Amazon, Apple and Microsoft say screw you to the Department of Labor
Like I said, if the FED are throwing the A-bomb (terrorist and national security card), there is nothing those companies can do about it but to obey. It is that simple.
 
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Like I said, if the FED are throwing the A-bomb (terrorist and national security card), there is nothing those companies can do about it but to obey. It is that simple.

lol, whatever you say then......:)
 
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lol, whatever you say then......:)

LOL, shut up and stay a military professional then.

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Obama's criticism of upcoming Chinese counterterrorism law groundless
2015-03-04

BEIJING, March 4 (Xinhua) -- U.S. President Barack Obama's criticism of the upcoming counterterrorism law of China is utterly groundless and another piece of evidence of arrogance and hypocrisy of the U.S. foreign policy.

Although the enactment of a Chinese law is an entirely internal affair of China, Obama insisted that the measure, which would require technology firms to give Chinese authorities surveillance access in order to collect intelligence about terrorists, is "something they are going to have to change if they are to do business with the United States".

To begin with, the provisions are written for and solely for acquiring more and better counterterrorism intelligence, as China is facing severe threats from various domestic terrorists, for instance, the so-called "East Turkestan Liberation Organization."

Terrorists nowadays use more and more modern technologies for communications and collaboration. And it has become a common practice in many Western countries, including the U.S. itself, to keep a close watch on the Internet and telecommunication networks for possible hints of terrorism and other criminal activities.

The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National Security Agency both have access to the equipment of major U.S. technology firms.

FBI Director James Comey publicly warned companies like Apple and Google in 2014 against using encryption that the law enforcement authorities cannot break.

While defending the legitimacy and necessity of similar behaviors in his own country, Obama's criticism of Chinese counterterrorism law obviously shows selfishness and hypocrisy of the U.S. foreign policy.

Secondly, the surveillance of terrorism actions on equipment of the Internet and telecommunication companies in China will be carried out strictly in accordance with the law.

And with transparent procedures, China's anti-terrorism campaign will be different from what the United States has done: letting the surveillance authorities run amok and turn counterterrorism into paranoid espionage and peeping on its civilians and allies. ( @xunzi , @northeast , my friends, :))

In fact, the same paranoid and narrow-mindedness, as demonstrated by the over-action of Obama and his cabinet members to the provisions in the Chinese anti-terrorism law, has also denied Chinese technology companies' access to the U.S. market.

Contrary to the accusations of the United States, China's anti-terror law will put no unfair regulatory pressures on foreign companies, because the provisions will apply to both domestic and foreign firms.

Moreover, to win the global fight against terrorism, Obama and his government should treat China on equal terms and stop making foreign policies based on realpolitik and the short term pursuit of its own unilateral interests.

Less than three weeks after Obama held the "counterterrorism summit" in Washington and referred terrorism as one the greatest threats in this generation, the president has begun to slam the counter-terrorism efforts of another country, which makes people naturally question the real intentions of such accusations.

China's new counterterrorism law can help fight terrorism in a better and more effective way. Any setback of terrorists is a victory of all countries.

The sooner Obama and his government understand this, the better will the world benefit.
 
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"has to change if they expect to do business with the US."
LOL,
has to change if the US expect to do business with the us.

Don't loaded to force in front of me ,U enact laws have been to me agree?
 
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