obama and kim jong-un - are they different??

[Post Colonnial]

well, cats and socialism/communism are a automatic comradeship...

obomba's hard-work is not the point here... what is his hard-work compared to che guevara??

true democracy the way is described in my post is not only my perception but also proved by intellectual self-questioning and group debate.

what objection do you find in what i posted??

Just because USA rejected your visa app, don't insult cats!

 

[jamahir]

Just because USA rejected your visa app, don't insult cats!

1. when did i apply for a usa visa??

2. how did i insult cats?? it is unthinkable for me.

 

[livingdead]

@jamahir have you ever had chance to talk to people who lived in behind iron curtain in erstwhile communist countries?
At least communists really tried to bring equality, remove old religious dogma and invested in women's empowerment. Even with brutal oppression, they did something good.
North Korea is a monarchy, ruled by despotic king who promotes a personality cult/religion surrounding the family. Calling it a communist country is shameful to even communists.

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir have you ever had chance to talk to people who lived in behind iron curtain in erstwhile communist countries?
At least communists really tried to bring equality, remove old religious dogma and invested in women's empowerment. Even with brutal oppression, they did something good.
North Korea is a monarchy, ruled by despotic king who promotes a personality cult/religion surrounding the family. Calling it a communist country is shameful to even communists.

about dprk i agree that family succession is not really socialist but it is more the citizens of dprk wanting it and the korean culture preserving it, both elements that a young american man, nile bowie ( now contributing to rt ), found during his visit to dprk in 2011 i think... i will find link to his article "understanding north korea" that i had put in pdf but you can watch him interviewed[1] on the same subject by morris herman... i wish for dprk ( and syria ) to become more socialist by adopting the "green book" ( there anyway were links between dprk and syria/libyan-jamahiriya ).

now, a few months ago i was in almost weekly discussion with a senior member of one of the socialist groups in my town and he said that he has been to sochi city in the ussr era and to cuba ( i must ask him when ) and he didn't have any criticism about what he saw during his visits.

again about dprk, this[2] vid is interview by morris herman of harpal brar, the india-born chairman of the "communist party of great britain ( marxist-leninist )" and he says in the interview that he has visited dprk and he doesn't have any criticism to make... further, there is a earlier[3] vid interview having the same two people though i haven't seen it so i am watching it presently.

and i have met a person not of libyan origin but who was a high position in the libyan jamahiriya.


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[1] North Korea the Least Assimilated Country on Earth - YouTube

[2] North Korea is not so Isolated - Harpal Brar - YouTube

[3] Dissecting The Imperialist Deaths Of MIllions - YouTube

 

[livingdead]

about dprk i agree that family succession is not really socialist but it is more the citizens of dprk wanting it and the korean culture preserving it, both elements that a young american man ( now contributing to rt ), nile bowie, found during his visit to dprk in 2011 i think... i will find link to his article "understanding north korea" that i had put in pdf but you can watch him interviewed[1] on the same subject by morris herman... i wish for dprk ( and syria ) to become more socialist by adopting the "green book" ( there anyway were links between dprk and syria/libyan-jamahiriya ).

now, a few months ago i was in almost weekly discussion with a senior member of one of the socialist groups in my town and he said that he has been to sochi city in the ussr era and to cuba ( i must ask him when ) and he didn't have any criticism about what he saw during his visits.

again about dprk, this[2] vid is interview by morris herman of harpal brar, the india-born chairman of the "communist party of great britain ( marxist-leninist )" and he says in the interview that he has visited dprk and he doesn't have any criticism to make... further, there is a earlier[3] vid interview having the same two people though i haven't seen it so i am watching it presently.

and i have met a person not of libyan origin but who was a high position in the libyan jamahiriya.


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[1] North Korea the Least Assimilated Country on Earth - YouTube

[2] North Korea is not so Isolated - Harpal Brar - YouTube

[3] Dissecting The Imperialist Deaths Of MIllions - YouTube

bro, this is how you get into an ideology so much your whole worldview is based on that. As I grow older, I am very aware of the fact that I might have developed a personal ideology of mine, which is why I seek various other views, especially that challenges my own views.
I was talking to an atheist, and he went on a rant how religion is destroying everything giving examples of various intolerant behaviour of muslims and people of other religion. I asked him where he gets news from, he said he does not trust western liberal media(like BBC), so gets his views from some atheist media source/blog etc.

No matter how right he might be, he has put himself in a box, allowed himself a small slit like those who wear burqa, using which he will get knowledge from a very limited source. Its self-abuse in a sense.

So please for god's shake do read how ordinary visitors see NK when they visit not those who have got themselves into a specific ideology. Many people who might have their own bias(born in west) but not ideologically inclined to be blind have visited NK too.

btw, you simply cannot equate cuba with NK. Lot of tourists visit cuba every year, its not a secretive regime so you can go and see everything, even if you are american. Many western newspapers for example have written positively about cuba's healthcare.
NK is not like that, you will be given very carefully 'orchestrated' guided tour, its like me giving a tour of delhi, but not allowing you to see any slums or anything you might find repulsive. Just watch the vice documentary, (keeping in mind its made by 'imperialist stooge'), and tell me what you feel.

 

[jamahir]

bro, this is how you get into an ideology so much your whole worldview is based on that. As I grow older, I am very aware of the fact that I might have developed a personal ideology of mine, which is why I seek various other views, especially that challenges my own views.

I was talking to an atheist, and he went on a rant how religion is destroying everything giving examples of various intolerant behaviour of muslims and people of other religion. I asked him where he gets news from, he said he does not trust western liberal media(like BBC), so gets his views from some atheist media source/blog etc.

No matter how right he might be, he has put himself in a box, allowed himself a small slit like those who wear burqa, using which he will get knowledge from a very limited source. Its self-abuse in a sense.

i am quite a calm person and am not dazzled by number of supporters or shiny buildings or the cliched phrases like "capitalist pigs !!".

i do not agree with some of the social aspects of the second part of "green book" and wish to bring modernity to it and to marxian ideas and i have spoken of some of it with the senior member of the socialist group that i told you above... i may join this movement or may start a movement of my own.

btw, you simply cannot equate cuba with NK. Lot of tourists visit cuba every year, its not a secretive regime so you can go and see everything, even if you are american. Many western newspapers for example have written positively about cuba's healthcare.

even so, usa government has not stopped its anti-cuban-revolution activities and only in 2013 was a cia project that used a new twitter-like site to post cuba-focused things about sports and culture and this would increase to more and more political orientation of posts so that at least a small section of cubans ( in cuba ) would be inclined to act towards a non-socialist government in cuba.

NK is not like that, you will be given very carefully 'orchestrated' guided tour, its like me giving a tour of delhi, but not allowing you to see any slums or anything you might find repulsive. Just watch the vice documentary, (keeping in mind its made by 'imperialist stooge'), and tell me what you feel.

okay, i will watch the vice documentary within three days but you too must watch the vids i gave link of just above.

also, taking example of my above text about cuba and knowing what happened with libya and syria, it is wise of dprk to be careful about

and i have said this before and so is harpal brar saying in the vid, dprk is not all about "orchestrated tours"... there are beach resorts and one ski resort where foreigners can stay.

 

[Tiger Genie]

socialism and communism both have been utter failures.

As long as India was clinging to socialism it did not accomplish anything. With the current slow movement away from socialism to market driven economy (the movement has just started and is is still 2-steps fwd 1-step back) there is some hope.

communism has been rejectd by its own principal purveyors. China has adopted capitalism (though on paper they do not want to admit too much too rapidly). Some markets have been turned atleast partly capitalistic (such as equity ownership, trading....). The other red, USSR is dust to dust; Russia is a basket case.

The only purpose socialism serves now is to provide a label for failures.

 

[livingdead]

@jamahir its upto you who you believe, people with own bias(for a commited muslim who believes in the ideology ISIS territory is wonderful, it has even got a park for kids) for most though its not a place to live.

Cuba is an open country, anybody can visit and see both good and bad about cuba. There are bad things about cuba(no democracy, one man show who transferred power to brother like they usually do) but also good bits like cheap healthcare. You are confusing two things, american or western power trying to put pressure on these regimes are facts, nobody denies that. what is lie however is to compare despots to elected presidents(with flaws, nobody is perfect) .. or even suggesting that people are lying about north korea.. if you think anybody can visit north korea and go wherever they want, you might have different sense of reality than me.

There are other anti american regimes people write good things about, check internet, most travellers to Iran(from america even) have very good things to say about iranians(even when relation was bad) .. their friendliness.. natural beauty etc.. coz even iranian regime is not that restrictive.. or secretive.

 

[jamahir]

As long as India was clinging to socialism it did not accomplish anything. With the current slow movement away from socialism to market driven economy (the movement has just started and is is still 2-steps fwd 1-step back) there is some hope.

1. when was the indian establishment ever socialist?? can you give me examples?? how about the indian military participating or almost participating in nato operations against socialist countries including dprk ( and this was sixty years ago )[1]??

2. after the supposedly respectable "liberalization of the indian economy" ( meaning, a transition to corporate capitalism ) in 1991, between 1995 and 2016, the number of farmer suicides[2] in india is 290,000+... what does this say about capitalism??


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[1] a beautiful post about north korea

[2] Maharashtra crosses 60,000 farm suicides

 

[Tiger Genie]

1. when was the indian establishment ever socialist?? can you give me examples?? how about the indian military participating or almost participating in nato operations against socialist countries including dprk ( and this was sixty years ago )[1]??

2. after the supposedly respectable "liberalization of the indian economy" ( meaning, a transition to corporate capitalism ) in 1991, between 1995 and 2016, the number of farmer suicides[2] in india is 290,000+... what does this say about capitalism??


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[1] a beautiful post about north korea

[2] Maharashtra crosses 60,000 farm suicides

Starting with Nehru uptil about when Manmohan Singh's FM days start, was socialistic. To do anything you needed government licensing and that took ages. Banks will not release funding except in those sectors where the government told them to. A large number of industries were government owned, inefficient and losss making - yet the government was constantly running them in order to give employment; worker unions were too powerful throttling enterprises and making companies 'sick'. Power utilities could not pay for fuel and equipment but were kept alive via decree. ....I could go on and on.

As to farmer suicides, it is NOTHING to do capitialism or sociaalism; it has well studied and established that big mills have certain politicans in their pockets protecting them, and are refusing to pay small farmers their due in time as well as not harvesting their crops timely. This is purely due to corruption. And the sad part is, while leaders of farmer communities unite to protest a lot of things but when it comes to this sort of matters, have been unable to rise above their communal lines...they keep supporting their community's politician instead of protesting corruption.

Finally, if India fought alongside NATO, what has that to do with this topic?