Nuclear assets-an evil or boon

[Mac2]

I know many of you will answer this question in affirmative and consider nuclear weapons as boon and necessary for pakistan.
But see this article in a pakistan newspaper and then think calmly keeping your nationalist feelings aside and then comment on the article.DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Nuclear asset or liability?
consider yourself as neutral and comment.

 

[Patriot]

Nuclear Weapons are the best thing ever happened to Pakistan.Long live Pakistani Nuclear Weapons!.These ngo and peace activists can shove their articles up their ***.

 

[panipat]

Are you prepared too, Mac2, to think calmly, keeping your nationalist feelings aside, and to be neutral when it comes to your own country's nuke arsenal?

Some background:

1. The Dawn newspaper is one of those known to have paid journalists working to promote foreign agendas.

2. Pakistan is presently in the midst of the most virulent US-orchestrated anti-Pakistan propaganda campaign in its history. Please don't think or believe that we are unaware of this.

3. The propaganda has taken on a surreal life of its own: Pak nukes are unsafe; Pak nukes are safe; "we" (Land of the Free types) know where the nukes are; "we" don't know where they are; "we" have contingency plans to take those nukes (given our own record of fly-by-night and old Cold War era nukes, we gotta replenish them from somewhere, right?); Pak has a hundred nukes; Pak is expanding its nuke arsenal; Pak nukes are already under our control; Pak has to give its enriched uranium to us for "safekeeping"; let's pay the Paks $100billion to buy their nukes off them forever; let's use the French to trap the Paks into intrusive anti-nuke agreements, etc, etc. You get the picture....

The piece that you have referred to needs to be viewed in the above context. It is simply the latest round of the propaganda campaign. "Let's begin to change people's minds by planting a series of authoritative-sounding articles which effectively argue and demonstrate that nukes for Pak are a curse and not a blessing. That'll show 'em."

Expect to see further escalation in the coming days when this ploy fails too.

 

[Mac2]

Oh my goodness me. You have got very vicious feelings about usa in your mind. You are saying that most prominent newspaper of pakistan which also run a news channel of itself as well is a foreign funded firm. This is absolutely berzerk. Please rethink. You are saying dawn a foreign agent because unlike other pakistan media it does not spread vicious propganda of mindwashing of pakistani people and turn them anti-us mentality.

 

[asq]

Oh my goodness me. You have got very vicious feelings about usa in your mind. You are saying that most prominent newspaper of pakistan which also run a news channel of itself as well is a foreign funded firm. This is absolutely berzerk. Please rethink. You are saying dawn a foreign agent because unlike other pakistan media it does not spread vicious propganda of mindwashing of pakistani people and turn them anti-us mentality.

Mac2. why for once can't you see the truth. Pakistan has done more than anyone in this world for U.S. starting from 50's when we allowed U2 to fly from Peshawar and were ridiculed by Khrushchev and so on and so for.

for once Mr mac2 let us be truthful keeping facts and not figments of ones imagination in forefront.

U will learn few things if u watch this video.

The guy who killed three CIA agents in 80's ran to Afghanistan, was captured by Pakistan.

those who killed pearl were captured by Pakistan.

All the Al-Qaida operative in U.S. custody were captured by Pakistan. All of them.

And yet it seems that u view Pakistan as enemy and not friend, why?

Pakistani mindset has not changed but will, if u continue to demonize Pakistan and its people.

I love Canada and its postures as it is a country who realizes the ground realities and tries to work with it. u can learn something from it Mr. mac2.

 

[Mac2]

Well this video shows that america supported taliban etc in 1970. It is a well known fact. But dude i am talking about 2009. Now i also want to remind you that usa has always been with pakistan. It always supplied pakistan weapons. In 1965 war and in 1971 war. The advanced patton tanks were given by usa to pakistan which you lost to indian forces. Advanced air fighters were also given by usa. cia always helped isi in sepratist movement in india And military and economic aid always continued. The relation between pakistan and usa is much more older than relation between usa and india. So please do not misunderstand usa by trusting some conspiracies.

 

[Omar1984]

There's only one reason why Pakistan needs to keep its nuclear weapons and that is INDIA.

If India has nuclear weapons, then so does Pakistan need to have nuclear weapons.
If India gets rid of its nuclear weapons tomorrow, so will Pakistan get rid of their nuclear weapons.

As long as India has its nuclear weapons, Pakistan needs to keep its nuclear weapons.

India hates Pakistan's existence more than anything.

Indans crossed INTERNTAIONAL BORDERS twice and entered Pakistan and now they are thinking of doing it again for the 3rd time.

Pakistan needs their nukes more than any other country in the world.

 

[Durran3]

Pakistan has every right to keep nuclear assets as long as India has them and vice versa. Unless and until there is a complete worldwide Nuclear Disarmament Pakistan will never and never should let go of its Nuclear Arsenal.

Personally i do believe that Nuclear Weapons are evil and mankind would be much better without it but if someone who poses a threat to your national security has nuclear weapons than i have every right to defend myself by having nuclear weapons as well. They are by no means a Boon, they are an economic brunt and might even be a security brunt. They are simply there for defensive purposes thats all..

 

[typewriter]

There's only one reason why Pakistan needs to keep its nuclear weapons and that is INDIA.

If India has nuclear weapons, then so does Pakistan need to have nuclear weapons.
If India gets rid of its nuclear weapons tomorrow, so will Pakistan get rid of their nuclear weapons.

As long as India has its nuclear weapons, Pakistan needs to keep its nuclear weapons.

India needs nukes cuz China has them. China needs them cuz USSR (now Russia) have them. And they need them cuz USA have them. So it's a nuke food chain. I think the pandora's box is out. Everyone can keep their nukes. Atleast it produces any conventional wars from breaking out.

India hates Pakistan's existence more than anything.

No. I think this generation hates Pakistan's hatred of India more than anything.

Indans crossed INTERNTAIONAL BORDERS twice and entered Pakistan and now they are thinking of doing it again for the 3rd time.

Pl. back up your statements. India crossed international border only once in 1971. The 65 war was started by Pakistan's failed Operation Gibraltar where infiltrators were sent in to instigate revolt and rebellion and thereby enable pak army to capture J&K. 1999 was a xerox copy. So in effect Pakistan was the one that crossed the de facto border.

 

[Omar1984]

Pl. back up your statements. India crossed international border only once in 1971. The 65 war was started by Pakistan's failed Operation Gibraltar where infiltrators were sent in to instigate revolt and rebellion and thereby enable pak army to capture J&K. 1999 was a xerox copy. So in effect Pakistan was the one that crossed the de facto border.

As I said many times before theres a huge difference between crossing LINE OF CONTROL and crossing INTERNATIONAL BORDERS, you Indians seem to be unaware of the difference.

In 1965, Indian army crossed INTERNATIONAL BORDERS into PAKISTANI TERRITORIES, LAHORE AND SIALKOT, which are recognized by everyone in the world as part of Pakistan.

Kashmir is recognized as a disputed territory by everyone in the world except India, the LINE OF CONTROL IS NOT AN INTERNATIONAL BORDER.

The 2nd time India crossed INTERNATIONAL BORDERS was in 1971 into East Pakistan.

Now some Indian politicians are talking about crossing INTERNATIONAL BORDERS FOR THE 3RD TIME INTO PAKISTAN.

PAKISTAN NEEDS THEIR NUKES!

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Damned if we have them and damned if we don't.

We in pakistan have nukes---unknown to most young pakistanis---it is due the indirect blessings of the u s of a----believe me or not---doesn't make any difference.


A lots of pakistani nuclear physicist got educated and trained in the u s of a--alongwith great britain, canada etc in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's---alongwith my uncle---who got his phd in nuclear physics from great britain and worked in atlanta in nuclear research for a few years---his research brought him more attention from some people that he didnot wanted to be asssociated with till he returned back to pakistan---a pioneer in the pakistani nuclear program.

Anyway---my pakistani colleagues and young members need to understand and learn that---the nuclear program was just not like a fruit growing on a tree, that we just happened to be walking by and plucked it of the branch.

We had a lots of foreign friends and allies who helped us achive our goals----these friends either helped us directly, indirectly or just looked the other way and let us do our thing.

I would personally blame my pakistani friends more on the nuclear issue than anyone else----there does not go a moment by when pakistan states that it will use the nukes if attacked---. Everybody and anubody, who is a somebody is always ready to make that statement---in the public forum----in the national forum----and on the world forum----this manner of speech has created more problems for pakistan that what is needed.

Israel has nukes----does it ever threaten to use them----no---but will it---yes absolutely yes---how often india theatens to use nukes---hardly ever---how about pakistan----always and every day---.

Why does pakistan do that---is it the bravado factor---the face saving factor---the physically and economically weak syndrome---or what.

We know that Pakistan has every right to bear nuclear weapons---it is just that we need to learn to keep a much lower profile of our assets---anybody who challenges our security arrangement----should not be taken seriously---but rather insulted to have made those foolish comments and made to look stupid and foolish for just coming out with these ideas---.

Pakistan and pakistanis have paid a very heavy price for going nuclear---but then you do need to have some of those toys that neighbour has----so---Boon---it is a big no---evil---indeed they are---they are the machines of death of such a scale as never seen before in the human history.

 

[typewriter]

As I said many times before theres a huge difference between crossing LINE OF CONTROL and crossing INTERNATIONAL BORDERS, you Indians seem to be unaware of the difference.

In 1965, Indian army crossed INTERNATIONAL BORDERS into PAKISTANI TERRITORIES, LAHORE AND SIALKOT, which are recognized by everyone in the world as part of Pakistan.

Kashmir is recognized as a disputed territory by everyone in the world except India, the LINE OF CONTROL IS NOT AN INTERNATIONAL BORDER.

The 2nd time India crossed INTERNATIONAL BORDERS was in 1971 into East Pakistan.

Now some Indian politicians are talking about crossing INTERNATIONAL BORDERS FOR THE 3RD TIME INTO PAKISTAN.

PAKISTAN NEEDS THEIR NUKES!

So you think you'll just keep on crossing the ceasefire line/LOC without thought of any retaliation? it's like u just want India to cross the international border, so u'll indulge in provocation. btw, i siad defacto border, LOC is now a defacto border between the 2 nations whether pak likes it or not. much like the DMZ of N.&S. Korea.

 

[Omar1984]

So you think you'll just keep on crossing the ceasefire line/LOC without thought of any retaliation? it's like u just want India to cross the international border, so u'll indulge in provocation. btw, i siad defacto border, LOC is now a defacto border between the 2 nations whether pak likes it or not. much like the DMZ of N.&S. Korea.

Line of Control is NOT the same as International borders. You Indians seem to be having a hard time understanding that.

Kashmir is a disputed territory that hasn't been resolved yet for 62 years now, if Pakistan decided to resolve the disputed status of Kashmir, then Pakistan has every right to.

Instead of retalitating back to the Line of Control, Indian army in 1965 crossed international borders into Lahore and Sialkot, which are recognized by everyone in the world, including India, as part of Pakistan. They crossed international borders again into East Pakistan, which was recognized by everyone in the world, including India, as part of Pakistan.

Line of Control can be changed anytime because its NOT an Interntaional border.

You Indians need to learn that through your thick heads.

 

[zubair723]

Its all about attitude & perspective. Its all about being 'passive' or 'aggressive' . QUAKING& SHIVERING HEARTS in PAKISTAN will always see there nukes as LIABLITY. FEARLESS HEARTS will always term them as ASSETS though for them they are of secondary worth

 

[typewriter]

Line of Control is NOT the same as International borders. You Indians seem to be having a hard time understanding that.

Kashmir is a disputed territory that hasn't been resolved yet for 62 years now, if Pakistan decided to resolve the disputed status of Kashmir, then Pakistan has every right to.

Instead of retalitating back to the Line of Control, Indian army in 1965 crossed international borders into Lahore and Sialkot, which are recognized by everyone in the world, including India, as part of Pakistan. They crossed international borders again into East Pakistan, which was recognized by everyone in the world, including India, as part of Pakistan.

Line of Control can be changed anytime because its NOT an Interntaional border.

You Indians need to learn that through your thick heads.

Your mentality clearly indicates that you are willing to keep crossing the LOC in violation of both the Shimla treaty & UN rules on the same, yet you expect that India should not cross the border at all, even when threatened, like in '65, claiming international sanctity. Ho. Another double speak.

still i think india showed restraint by not crossing the internation border, during the 99 fiasco when pak army crossed the LOC, didn't admit it, lied & still had to retreat, primarily because of world condemnation, proving that the LOC is a de facto border.