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Now Indians Calling SU-30 MKI as Indigenous !

Lol Chengdu market and display jf-17. You should have seen Army-2018 pak's stall, it was funny.
Lol, did Chengdu took the aircraft to Farnbourgh , Paris, Dubai, Turkey, Oman, Saudi Arab, China and Poland....hell Chengdu must have been short of pilots since they needed PAF pilots to display the aircraft at all the above venues and in Pakistani National Colours.
Oh talking about funny, was it anything like the IAF personal selling Sarees during one of Surya Kiran's visit to China.

Chengdu displaying JF-17 in Pakistan's National Colours in Poland. :D

 
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India has complete ToT for Su30MKI, just like Pakistan for Jf-17.
India manufactures Su30MKI from raw materials, Pakistan does not for JF-17.
Pakistan assembles CKDs from OEM, India also imports parts from OEM.
India does extrusion and forging themselves, Pakistan does not have extrusion or forging presses.
India puts Indian avionics & armaments in Su30MKI, Pakistan does not have Pakistani avionics or armaments.
Russia denied Brahmos Integration with Su30MKI, India went ahead and did it anyway.
India overhauls Su30MKI in India.

So, Indian manufactured Su30MKI is not Indigenous. But Joint Fighter 17 is Pakistani.
 
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Lol, did Chengdu took the aircraft to Farnbourgh , Paris, Dubai, Turkey, Oman, Saudi Arab, China and Poland....hell Chengdu must have been short of pilots since they needed PAF pilots to display the aircraft at all the above venues and in Pakistani National Colours.
Oh talking about funny, was it anything like the IAF personal selling Sarees during one of Surya Kiran's visit to China.

Chengdu displaying JF-17 in Pakistan's National Colours in Poland. :D


Yeah free manpower, China is the smart one. After 10 years of production, with all that TRP PAC was able to sell only 3 JF-17 to Nigeria. :lol:

Meanwhile without any much effort, we are going to sell spares of Su-30 to Malaysia etc and trained their pilots.
 
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India has complete ToT for Su30MKI, just like Pakistan for Jf-17.
India manufactures Su30MKI from raw materials, Pakistan does not for JF-17.
Pakistan assembles CKDs from OEM, India also imports parts from OEM.
India does extrusion and forging themselves, Pakistan does not have extrusion or forging presses.
India puts Indian avionics & armaments in Su30MKI, Pakistan does not have Pakistani avionics or armaments.
Russia denied Brahmos Integration with Su30MKI, India went ahead and did it anyway.
India overhauls Su30MKI in India.

So, Indian manufactured Su30MKI is not Indigenous. But Joint Fighter 17 is Pakistani.
Will Russia pay for India, when Su-30SM, Russian version of Su-30MKI, gets orders?
 
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I guess the minister was trying to say about Su manufactured in India vs those imported from Russia.
 
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Yeah free manpower, China is the smart one. After 10 years of production, with all that TRP PAC was able to sell only 3 JF-17 to Nigeria. :lol:
Burn baby burn, after 19 years, your Tejas is still being dragged on trailers, while in 10 years, JF-17 is operational with half a dozen squadrons and now being exported. Now let's see your next excuse. :rofl:
 
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Will Russia pay for India, when Su-30SM, Russian version of Su-30MKI, gets orders?

sir you highlight very important point

Excellent question.

This actually points out the awful negotiation India has done on their part. Pakistan for all its faults, does marvelous on their part.

But the question here is indigenous or not.
 
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Excellent question.

This actually points out the awful negotiation India has done on their part. Pakistan for all its faults, does marvelous on their part.

But the question here is indigenous or not.
When China wants to sell FC-1/JF-17, China must share with Pakistan.
 
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>Indian Air Force>

No technology transfer in the Su-30 spare parts deal

The agreement last month between the Russian manufacturers of Sukhoi-30 aircraft and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for supply of spares does not entail any technology transfer, parliament was told on Tuesday.

“Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has signed agreements with Russian original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and United Engine Corporation (UEC) for long-term support on after sales service of Su-30 MKI aircraft…

“The Agreement signed by HAL with Russian OEMs are for long-term supply of spares and rendering technical assistance for five years and do not cover any technology transfer,” Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre told the Rajya Sabha in a written reply.

The agreement, signed during the Indo-Russia Military-Industrial Conference held here on March 17-18, will allow HAL to procure spares on the price catalogues directly from the manufacturers, thus improving the after sales service by reducing lead time in their procurement.

The frontline strike fighter of the Indian Air Force has suffered serviceability problems in the past

One of the agreements, signed between HAL and UAC, is for the supply of spares and technical assistance for five years, while the second between HAL and UEC is for supply of spares for engines of Russian origin.

A report of the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) in December 2015 said Su-30 MKI aircraft with the IAF suffer from poor serviceability, which is just around 55 per cent against the prescribed norm of 75 per cent.

In January 2017, then Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said the serviceability of the fighters has improved, and is now at 60 per cent. Informed sources said the present serviceability of the Su-30 MKI fleet is between 60 and 65 per cent.
 
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Cringey. Indians have redefined the meaning of the word "indigenous".

Foolish choice of word...

Well, they should should use the word locally assembled Su30.

Locally manufactured...

Try to market and display the SU-30 the way Pakistan does with it's JF-17.
Pakistan is a joint partner and producer in the JF-17 project not just a customer assembling it like India.

There is no FC-1 in Chinese force... so the only nation flying it put it there for display... I don't have any other reason for this...
 
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