NOW DRDO TO MAKE Invisible Planes using pre Mahabharata sage Bharadwaj's formulae

[Omega007]

No...(actually yes..I just don't want to die)!

Wow,that makes two of us.Apni ki fb te a6en bhai??

 

[JohnyD]

DRDO should make Sudarshan Chakras as well for our Soldiers!

 

[Omega007]

DRDO should make Sudarshan Chakras as well for our Soldiers!

Come on now!!For ****'s sake take another look at the op,the title is misleading.DRDO never made such a claim.

 

[Anubis]

Wow,that makes two of us.Apni ki fb te a6en bhai??

Yep...there are more of us here in PDF!

 

[Mujahid Memon]

see my signature guyz..........

 

[axisofevil]

I wish these fukkers had the balls to get back our scientific and mathematical documents in the University of St. Andrews! The fact is that Britain and the UK specifically come to India and South Asia to grab our best and brightest using all the resources they have, which in turn helps contribute to their knowledge economy (worth more than oil)! The British are some smart fukkers. They have narrowed down specific areas to comb for students with great potential aptitude, the reason being certain places like specifically Bengal have produced many great minds that have contributed to humanity. I am quite sure, they have surmised from their own experience and rankings in their own country, they can see which students from which backgrounds stood out among the rest.


China would do anything to stop and counter that. In fact, China would teach them about their role in building the nation and their self identity, then send them off to another country to be educated for higher studies. This way such pl would always come back to help China.


India and Indians have much to learn about the real world.

When India is not only claiming western achievement as their own, but claiming Klingon war bird cloaking devise as their invention, you know that they have reach a new level of lunacy. I won't be surprised that some of these guys go through various series of Star Trek and claim those sci-fi inventions as Indian inventions.

Let me give you an example of your Western achievements. You had to be white in order to be recognized for a long, long time. Even now, it's not easy. Take Bose for example. It was he, not Marconi who made the first radio transmission. It took more than a century to get that acknowledged, but it still has not been corrected widespread. The fact that idiots still claim "arabic numbers" as being from that region.....shows how India has not stepped up and claimed its rightful place.

 

[trident2010]

First try to perfectly implement the formulas which Newton, Einstein etc. has provided and other countries successfully implemented it. Once done,then try to unlock the secrets of Vedic science.

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

New stealth technology makes airplanes invisible not only to radar, it renders them hidden to the human eye as well -- just like an invisibility cloak in a Hollywood sci-fi thriller.

News reports from China last week touted the country's work on a "cloaking" technology that uses a hexagonal array of glass-like panels to bend light around an object, obscuring it from view as though hidden by an invisibility cloak. Experts say the technology is legit -- and not unlike American and European projects from the past few years.

"The general public … might not hear about how far the U.S. has really come, because it is and should remain classified," firearms expert Chris Sajnog, a former Navy SEAL, told FoxNews.com. "Other countries are still playing catch-up -- but they're closing the gap."

But while classified work progresses, several public projects from universities and military supply companies show just how real this futuristic technology is.

How to disappear completely

Professor Chen Hongsheng at China's Zhejiang University demonstrated a device that made a fish invisible and a cat disappear, according to the South China Morning Post, a Hong Kong daily.

The professor's team is one of 40 funded by the Chinese government during the last three years, the paper reported. Some projects use materials that shuttle light away from an object; alternatives create electromagnetic fields that bend it away -- truly high-tech camouflage.

"The idea isn't new, but materials enabling the technology are becoming more available," David R. Ricketts, professor of engineering at North Carolina State University, told FoxNews.com. "It's like we see in the movies. If you tape a picture of an empty hallway to a security camera, the person looking at the camera sees an empty room -- even though you could be walking through the hallway. The ‘cloaking' approach simply takes the light on one side of the object and transmits it on the other so that you don't see the object in between."

Another Chinese professor, Ma Yungui, an optical engineer at Zhejiang University, is working on a device that prevents objects from being detected by heat sensors or metal detectors, the Post said. As small as a matchbox, it interferes with infrared camera detection, too -- allowing troops to move secretly in the night.

The Chinese professors did not return calls from FoxNews.com seeking comment.

"A few years ago we had a demonstration of these technologies here in San Diego," Sanjog said in an email. "The mirrors currently being used are large and easily detectable, while the use of wavelengths is limited to a very narrow spectrum, i.e. visible light, but not radar or thermal. Also, both of these technologies only work well when viewed from one angle, and in warfare your security is nothing if it's not 360."

Major arms developers such as BAE Systems readily acknowledge work on this kind of technology, such as the Adaptiv program, which aims to hide armored vehicles.

"The U.S. military is among many who have expressed interest in Adaptiv, which could be transferred to other platforms, such as ships and helicopters," said Mike Sweeney, a spokesman for BAE.

Pixel perfect

BAE's technology, similar to what the Chinese are now touting, deploys sheets of hexagonal "pixels" that can change temperature very rapidly. On-board cameras pick up the scenery and display it on the vehicle, which can allow a moving tank to match its surroundings.

Research is concentrated mainly on the infrared spectrum, a pressing concern for the Swedish government group funding the work. But BAE has combined its pixels with technologies that camouflage other parts of the electro-magnetic spectrum to provide all-round stealth.

But most camouflage used by the military is not as high-tech as these tools. Take for example the "ghilie suit," a garment designed to resemble heavy foliage and popular with the military and hunters.

"As a former lead instructor for the Navy SEAL sniper program, I've taught many of our current warriors the art of passive camouflage. For example, wearing a well-made ghillie suit in the proper environment can render its user virtually invisible, and this is a cloaking device that works 360, with no batteries needed," Sajnog said.

Some experts dispute that these new technologies can work in battlefield conditions at all.

"Invisibility cloak is a poorly chosen term," Thomas Way, associate professor of computing science at Villanova University, wrote to FoxNews.com in an email. "Invisible to what? We already have stealth aircraft that are invisible to radar (usually), but there is absolutely no way given our current understanding of physics that something could be made invisible to the naked eye."

"If that's what they are claiming, it's a hoax."

 

[Screambowl]

OK. So do tell me, where in our heritage or ancient scriptures is visual invisibility of an aircraft detailed? In which ancient work is the technical knowhow elaborated?

The concept of invisibility is there, the Megnath, in Ramayan. The difference is, the mathematical modelling and simulation does not support it because, the tensors are not yet been formed in the modern science. I am personally being the student of electronics and I am aware that science has not yet reached the level of that complex knowledge. The today's science depends on mathematical modelling and equations. There are lots of things which human has proved to be possible mathematically but practically it is not the way it is. Just like they are trying to convert bigbang into a mathematical model, but that is not going to solve any issue.

We can only deal with the Newtonian laws yet, even the quantum has not been able to reach to any level. Recent discovery of gravitational lensing is one example of how light can be deviated with the use of magnetic fields and creating a false image to the viewer. But on earth human is not able to produce that energy but mathematically they have the equation.

 

[janon]

We can only deal with the Newtonian laws yet, even the quantum has not been able to reach to any level. Recent discovery of gravitational lensing is one example of how light can be deviated with the use of magnetic fields and creating a false image to the viewer. But on earth human is not able to produce that energy but mathematically they have the equation.

I can assure you that you have no idea what you are talking about. For one thing, gravitaional lensing wasn't recently discovered - it's how Einstein's general theory of relativity was put on a solid empirical foundation, by Eddington's famous experiment in 1919. The phenomenon was then expounded in much greater detail by Einstein in a paper in 1936.

BTW in gravitational lensing, it is not a magnetic field that deflects the path of light. As the name clearly states, it is gravitational field that does it. Magnetic fields have nothing to do with it.

Anyway, that is NOT a technology that can in any way be used to create invisibility or low observability. That effect is about supermassive objects (like stars, or mocommonly, entire galaxies) bending the path of light by distorting space-time continuum in that region. The earth itself is not massive enough to deflect light to any appreciable degree, so you can forget about any man made objects utilizing that technology.

You really shouldn't put out anything and everything you have heard of and try to draw a connection to whatever it is you want to prove. Science doesn't work like that - you shouldn't talk about concepts unless you really know them.

The concept of invisibility is there, the Megnath, in Ramayan. The difference is, the mathematical modelling and simulation does not support it because, the tensors are not yet been formed in the modern science. I am personally being the student of electronics and I am aware that science has not yet reached the level of that complex knowledge. The today's science depends on mathematical modelling and equations. There are lots of things which human has proved to be possible mathematically but practically it is not the way it is. Just like they are trying to convert bigbang into a mathematical model, but that is not going to solve any issue.

The concept of invisibility can be there - any ten year old can dream up such things. Becoming invisible, flying in the air etc are some of thmost common dreams people have had since time immemorial. What I asked for was an ancient text that actullally details ways to achieve invisibility. The Ramayan says that the Pushpaka Vimaan can fly, but that doesn't mean they actually had any aeronautical knowledge - it just means that they too had the same dream of flying that everybody else did. There are plenty of other works of literature from all over the world that talks about invisibility cloaks, rings of invisibility, and many other things. Heck, even Harry Potter books have an invisibility cloak as a major plot device - that doesn't mean that JK Rowling has an iota of knowledge about any science that can actually make invisible cloaks. So you see, just dreaming up something doesn't need any knowledge of making the dream come true.

Unless you can show me any useful information or theory of making invisible objects, don't expect me or any sensible person to believe such claims.

Also, if a lot of knowledge existed in some undefined past, it wouldn't simply evaporate away. Everybody likes to believe that his or her country/people had a golden age in the past, to which today's advanced civilizations will only come slowly in future.

 

[Screambowl]

I can assure you that you have no idea what you are talking about. For one thing, gravitaional lensing wasn't recently discovered - it's how Einstein's general theory of relativity was put on a solid empirical foundation, by Eddington's famous experiment in 1919. The phenomenon was then expounded in much greater detail by Einstein in a paper in 1936.

BTW in gravitational lensing, it is not a magnetic field that deflects the path of light. As the name clearly states, it is gravitational field that does it. Magnetic fields have nothing to do with it.

Anyway, that is NOT a technology that can in any way be used to create invisibility or low observability. That effect is about supermassive objects (like stars, or mocommonly, entire galaxies) bending the path of light by distorting space-time continuum in that region. The earth itself is not massive enough to deflect light to any appreciable degree, so you can forget about any man made objects utilizing that technology.

You really shouldn't put out anything and everything you have heard of and try to draw a connection to whatever it is you want to prove. Science doesn't work like that - you shouldn't talk about concepts unless you really know them.

well we are diverting from mythology to proofs and as I said description of what gravitational lensing is or event horizon. I am not interested in that. 1936 is recent not even 100 years from now. I am aware of gravitational lensing is not due to magnetic field. But unlike you are a nobel laureate, people need to know in simple words. The earth is not massive neither the size of a body which cause gravitational lensing.

If man made technology cannot create what nature created then let's find in Vedas. How much we have looked into vedas is not sufficient. Or become spiritual, finally we are in the hierarchy lineage of the creator. We contain his properties.

The concept of invisibility can be there - any ten year old can dream up such things. Becoming invisible, flying in the air etc are some of thmost common dreams people have had since time immemorial. What I asked for was an ancient text that actullally details ways to achieve invisibility. The Ramayan says that the Pushpaka Vimaan can fly, but that doesn't mean they actually had any aeronautical knowledge - it just means that they too had the same dream of flying that everybody else did. There are plenty of other works of literature from all over the world that talks about invisibility cloaks, rings of invisibility, and many other things. Heck, even Harry Potter books have an invisibility cloak as a major plot device - that doesn't mean that JK Rowling has an iota of knowledge about any science that can actually make invisible cloaks. So you see, just dreaming up something doesn't need any knowledge of making the dream come true.

Unless you can show me any useful information or theory of making invisible objects, don't expect me or any sensible person to believe such claims.

Also, if a lot of knowledge existed in some undefined past, it wouldn't simply evaporate away. Everybody likes to believe that his or her country/people had a golden age in the past, to which today's advanced civilizations will only come slowly in future.

Your basic argument is proof.

May be Rollings should become a scientist, finally structure of benzene was solved in dream state only, when he saw snakes making a hexagon, biting each other's tail

We have shifted from sanskrit to english mode due to slavery and we are ashamed of that , to go through those texts you need to learn sanskrit and many liberals call it communal. It is our fault that we are not able to maintain that knowledge or it was not passed.

The use of zero has been there before aryabhatta. Aryabhatta just showed the world how it is utilized, otherwise we had been still finding the ways to build 1 byte RAM system.

The use of 10^22 year existed in and use of micro second. Gives us an idea that they have encountered so massive things that these numbered came into existence and proper use of calculation.
Hindu units of time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unit of time based on Hindu units of time
Time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shortest day and shortest night was explained in Vedanga Jyotisha, and so does the shifting of axis of earth. That's why we celebrate Makkar sankranti since ages.
Vedanga Jyotisha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are many more texts which haven't been studied well, Upanishads, Vedas, puranas. More than 500 books. You do proper finding, the process to be invisible should be available to you, just like the few above.

 

[janon]

well we are diverting from mythology to proofs and as I said description of what gravitational lensing is or event horizon. I am not interested in that. 1936 is recent not even 100 years from now. I am aware of gravitational lensing is not due to magnetic field. But unlike you are a nobel laureate, people need to know in simple words. The earth is not massive neither the size of a body which cause gravitational lensing.

I'm not sure what your point here is. In your previous post you said magnetic fields can cause gravitational lensing, which is just plain wrong. That's not putting it in simple words - that's making a wrong statement. Anyway, as I said before, gravitational lensing has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread, or invisible objects.

If man made technology cannot create what nature created then let's find in Vedas. How much we have looked into vedas is not sufficient. Or become spiritual, finally we are in the hierarchy lineage of the creator. We contain his properties.

The day you make a repeatable scientific discovery using knowledge contained in the vedas, alert me. Until now what has been happening is that scientists discover something through science, and then religious people claim it was secretly hidden away in their favorite book all along. Just why they didn't bring it out before scientists did, they will not explain. So if you can discover from the vedas something valuable about quantum mechanics or relativity or aeronautics that scientists don't know, by all means, do bring it out. As you are aware, the vedas are freely available online.

May be Rollings should become a scientist, finally structure of benzene was solved in dream state only, when he saw snakes making a hexagon, biting each other's tail

He saw the dream after years of researching Benzene and othearomatic compounds. Otherwise he wouldn't have had such a dream. Besides, that dream was just a visualization - the mathematiccs of hybridisation of bonds was available outside the dream world. There is a reason that dream happened to a scientist who thought about it all day long for several years, and not to any sage or monk.

Your basic argument is proof.

No. It's explanation. At this stage I don't even know to what I should ask for proof. What I am looking for is any ancient scripture that has explanations about making invisible material. Not just saying there is an invisibility cloak or a pushpak vimaan, but explaining how it is made. Instead of going on asserting that your ancient books contain such knowledge, tell us which book, which chapter, which stanza/para. Let us also see it.

We have shifted from sanskrit to english mode due to slavery and we are ashamed of that , to go through those texts you need to learn sanskrit and many liberals call it communal. It is our fault that we are not able to maintain that knowledge or it was not passed.

I assure you, my knowledge of Sanskrit is excellent. Of course you don't have to believe me when I say that. But as I said before, if you have any Sanskrit text explaining the know-how for making invisible planes, do point it out. Whether I can read it or not can be argued after you show it.

The use of zero has been there before aryabhatta. Aryabhatta just showed the world how it is utilized, otherwise we had been still finding the ways to build 1 byte RAM system.

Nobody is saying that Indians in premodern times never invented anything. Of course a lot of work in the sceinces and mathematics was done in India. Heck, calculus was first used in central Kerala, and wasn't invented by Newton and Leibnitz. (They did independently invent it, a couple of centuries later.)

We are only questioning idiotic claims like ancient India having invisible planes and so on. We are not saying that India hasn't produced anything.

The use of 10^22 year existed in and use of micro second. Gives us an idea that they have encountered so massive things that these numbered came into existence and proper use of calculation.

No. You don't need to have come across something weighing 10^1000 kg, to be able to talk about 10^1000 kg. Numerals are infinite, and we can imagine as large numbers as we want. I can talk about (10^1000)^1000, and also give a name for it. Anybody can.

Unit of time based on Hindu units of time
Time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So? Again - nobody is asking you to show something or other that Indians knew in ancient times. We are asking you to demonstrate the ludicrous claims being made regarding invisible planes and a few similar claims being made recently.

There are many more texts which haven't been studied well, Upanishads, Vedas, puranas

If they haven't been studied well, then study them well before making such claims. You claim that ancient texts contain knowledge about invisible planes. We ask you to show us such texts. You come back at us with "we haven't studied them enough"? Dude!

 

[Screambowl]

I'm not sure what your point here is. In your previous post you said magnetic fields can cause gravitational lensing, which is just plain wrong. That's not putting it in simple words - that's making a wrong statement. Anyway, as I said before, gravitational lensing has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread, or invisible objects.

You need powerful magnets enough to bend a photon. They have done it Switzerland. So it is possible. Anyways!

The day you make a repeatable scientific discovery using knowledge contained in the vedas, alert me. Until now what has been happening is that scientists discover something through science, and then religious people claim it was secretly hidden away in their favorite book all along. Just why they didn't bring it out before scientists did, they will not explain. So if you can discover from the vedas something valuable about quantum mechanics or relativity or aeronautics that scientists don't know, by all means, do bring it out. As you are aware, the vedas are freely available online.

Vedas are available online, I can read sanskrit, But if the hymn says sun comes up on a chariot of seven horses, what would I interpret unless until I know they are seven visible colors. Do you think is there any one who can really decode it? We have lost a lot of knowledge into such hymns and this is our fault.

He saw the dream after years of researching Benzene and othearomatic compounds. Otherwise he wouldn't have had such a dream. Besides, that dream was just a visualization - the mathematiccs of hybridisation of bonds was available outside the dream world. There is a reason that dream happened to a scientist who thought about it all day long for several years, and not to any sage or monk.

Hahahaha. We can say it was revealed. That'S gyan yoga!

No. It's explanation. At this stage I don't even know to what I should ask for proof. What I am looking for is any ancient scripture that has explanations about making invisible material. Not just saying there is an invisibility cloak or a pushpak vimaan, but explaining how it is made. Instead of going on asserting that your ancient books contain such knowledge, tell us which book, which chapter, which stanza/para. Let us also see it.

It is just like karunanidhi asking swami to which engineering college did Ram go, and when he got ill, He never made that question again. You should read in Rig Veda, I guarantee you, you will find the answer, condition you have to decode the hymns.

I assure you, my knowledge of Sanskrit is excellent. Of course you don't have to believe me when I say that. But as I said before, if you have any Sanskrit text explaining the know-how for making invisible planes, do point it out. Whether I can read it or not can be argued after you show it.

I have a good knowledge of numbers and english letter. But I will still fail to decode a Paragraph of random numbers and letters with some message.

Nobody is saying that Indians in premodern times never invented anything. Of course a lot of work in the sceinces and mathematics was done in India. Heck, calculus was first used in central Kerala, and wasn't invented by Newton and Leibnitz. (They did independently invent it, a couple of centuries later.)

We are only questioning idiotic claims like ancient India having invisible planes and so on. We are not saying that India hasn't produced anything.

If there is something we should have a look into it. But This technology is dangerous. Hence I don't think you will get it so easily in one of those books.

No. You don't need to have come across something weighing 10^1000 kg, to be able to talk about 10^1000 kg. Numerals are infinite, and we can imagine as large numbers as we want. I can talk about (10^1000)^1000, and also give a name for it. Anybody can.

If they can write 1 and 0 in that era, I am sure they were not fools atleast that they will just randomly write it.

So? Again - nobody is asking you to show something or other that Indians knew in ancient times. We are asking you to demonstrate the ludicrous claims being made regarding invisible planes and a few similar claims being made recently.



If they haven't been studied well, then study them well before making such claims. You claim that ancient texts contain knowledge about invisible planes. We ask you to show us such texts. You come back at us with "we haven't studied them enough"? Dude!

We are highly unfortunate that at the moment there is no proof, because we have not maintained it. But Some day it will be definitely out. Not necessarily invisible flying planes but something related to it. As I said there is no proper research done on them. And what ever has been found out, it is the west taking interest in it.

As Openheimer read a slok from mahabharata after carrying out trinity test.